i can see why laurina and gandalf were wanted dead but why fireninja..? he's posted like. nothing. ??? and he accused blu rose i guess. and kerry before she died talked about klink. i dont know if mafia is still doing that "lets kill an innocent who was accusing another innocent so the town goes and lynches em" thing but idk.
the first 2 shots make sense but kerry's and fireninja's doesnt ?? maybe they were simply hoping to hit a blue ..?
The mafia would've suspected Kippla of having a blue role a long time and killed him last night. I believe that there is a chance that Kippla is a blue role or town, but I highly doubt that.
im sorry but..how does that make her mafia? yes she gave herself away ( i forgot about that post til you pulled it up) but that doesnt give any hints towards her alignment?? im confused on how you got that shes mafia ?? i agree with justin, mafia probably forgot about that until you pointed it out.
I would just like to say that I do have interest in the game. I just don't really mind if I do get lynched because it's not going to help anyone in any way. I would still like to participate.
why do you sound so negative? are you giving up already? the only way lynching you would help us if you were mafia. of course you should mind if youre on the town's side, because then youre wasting one of our lynches ?? why are you giving up if you still want to play? unless im reading it wrong..?
Three townies. The fourth anonymous person was targeted but they were luckily protected. That raises a few questions. Who protected who? Who was the fourth person?
Pointless questions aside, I believe we have some lurkers right under our feet. I'm not saying we should lynch them, I'm saying that they (whoever they are) should contribute soon or else some questions are going to be raised on them and they'll be forced to defend themselves! Right now, I have no suspicions on anybody.
The 'evidence' that we have against Kippla is just outright ridiculous. I strongly believe that she is townie. Honestly, I can relate. Being the same role twice or thrice is actually very annoying. It doesn't really push us out of our comfort zones when we are the same role more than once.
My immediate thought reading the night one results: not only did our lack of worthwhile conversation on day one lead to a poor lynch, but it also would have meant the mafia had little to go on. Although this has arguably worked in our favour during the night it does mean investigating their posts could prove difficult.
I'm sure Laurina herself said back in the election stage that she thought she would come under fire the first night (or at least early in the game) so I'm not sure how to take her revealing her role so fast after being hit. If it is a tactic then it has been cleverly foreshadowed. However, even though I say that I'm also inclined to believe her when she says she's a vet: only because I think she made a really bad move in surrendering her role so easily. I think anyone who takes a hit in future should not announce their role immediately after - at least not publicly.
I'm wondering if FireNinja or kerryelizabeth were in contact with anyone via PM because I've seen little evidence in the thread itself to suggest why they should be targeted first night. In this case, we may not have access to the information that could point towards a reason for their deaths. However, we can see by what little posts they have made who they may have responded to/targeted in their posts which could have prompted that person to PM them.
Three townies. The fourth anonymous person was targeted but they were luckily protected. That raises a few questions. Who protected who? Who was the fourth person?
The 'evidence' that we have against Kippla is just outright ridiculous. I strongly believe that she is townie. Honestly, I can relate. Being the same role twice or thrice is actually very annoying. It doesn't really push us out of our comfort zones when we are the same role more than once.
Laurina claims to have taken a hit. Although we don't know for definite if she was a mafia target because they're not the only ones capable of killing. In which case, there could have been more than four attempted kills / more than one person saved.
Your final paragraph is actually about the person I want to mention:
Oi, Kippla! You've made over a hundred posts in this thread but you didn't answer my question on Pg. 87. In case you genuinely missed it, here it is again:
Was there any other reason than "Trundle's posts were good"? I never posted a reason, gimmie a sec.
I voted for Trundle because he showed good performance in the previous game, and I have seen how he handles situations. There wasn't a lot to stop me from voting for him, because it's not like he kept saying "vote for me because ill do these great things" but posted good reasons without much pushing for us to vote for him.
Good luck once again town. No fun having to leave early, would have played a more active role but i spent the first two days putting together an entry for the fair.
Remember to keep your cards close to your chest and don't follow posts blindly. That includes mine as well.
Alright, so we lost three townies. It could have been a lot worse. I just wanted to tell everyone to be careful in what you're reading. You can't just believe everything you're reading is true. Laurina claimed she got hit and role claimed as a Vet, but she could be mafia and the mafia just only sent in 3 KP for the opportunity to get a mafia to be trusted.
Because of this, I want all the veterans in the game to PM me and roleclaim.
Next is the issue of who we suspect at the moment. After school I'll be posting what I have, and I believe Karla will too, but I'm not sure exactly when Karla will post.
NO do not do this Veterans. We have no reason to trust Trundle any more than Laurina at this point in the game. Trundle has done nothing so far to make it even somewhat sensible to give away multiple roles to him like that. Yes, I agree we shouldn't 100% trust Laurina's claim, but why should we trust Trundle any more?!?
I gotta say I'm very suspicious of Trundle that he would ask this. This is exactly what Kayla pulled off last game. Getting everyone to claim to her because she was Sheriff.
And let's say for a second, if Trundle is legitimately town and has the best intentions, what's to say that scum won't fake claim to him to try to discredit Laurina spiraling us into chaos? There's very high potential for that when you ask straight up in the thread for everyone to PM you.
I'd like to first look at the timing of VillageDweller's campaign post. Little over 24 hours after the game started. The size of the post indicates an eagerness and degree of effort put in. Contrast this to River's rather apathetic two-line campaign post made around the same time, which we can immediately put down as either disinterested townie or Mafia poking their head out a little. The point is, VillageDweller's post sets the tone for how he is approaching this game. His three posts before are also decent sized, asks somewhat useful questions, and provides his own plan in one post. Not bad, not bad!
Let's also look at the state of the thread and of Town when he made his campaign post. I'm getting ripped by the FoxWolf-Kippla duo. I was engaged in a war with Blu Rose. Many people are saying nothing more than "I'm scared of Karla as a Mafia Mayor". Kippa going on about trust, putting words in my mouth. In other words, the thread was a mess. Town had no clear direction at this point. Look at the votes at that point:
Karla (3)
BowserFanGurl1999
FoxWolf64
SuperPenguin
Dolby (1)
Dolby
Blu Rose (1)
Blu Rose
River (2)
River
Horus
Kippla (1)
Kippla
Hikari (1)
Hikari
VillageDweller (1)
Kuma
DeviousCrossing (1)
DeviousCrossing
Three for me, two for River and an incredibly strange early vote for VD from Kuma (wtf). The rest were placeholder votes due to Tom's deadline reminder. Also note no Trundle votes at that point. What perfect time for him to jump in with a more moderate plan that avoids the exact problems I am getting picked apart for.
As Karla did say, I would particularly like the protection. Having died early on in both games is kind of disheartening, so I'd definitely like to stick around more and do more good for the town.
Why vote for me?
Well as stated before, I am quite good at coming up with arguments against people if I am allowed the time. As in last game, I accused Kayla of being the Godfather on Day 1, see post here,, and at the end of the game I turned out to be right. Sadly I gave away my role too easily in that game, which is why here I would like to again really reinforce not roleclaming unless you have complete trust of someone not being Mafia. Again, this includes elected officials.
I would also personally help out anyone who's willing to contact me, via PM or w/e you want. I will gladly give advice, discuss things with you, personal planning etc and help you out as much as I possibly can. Doing this with as many people as possible ensures a solid discussion between Town members, which I think we definitely need after that last game. Bear in mind that the Mafia also have their own chat, so if you see people not discussing as much as you should be, it may be an incentive to think of them discussing their plans in the mafia chat. (but that's a very loose reason, some people just lurk. It's more about constructive, helpful town posts) So I do hope you can vote for me, but more importantly I want you to vote for whoever you think would be best.
As far as other candidates go, I'd like to hear more out of Trundle, he has provided very good points so far and I think he could potentially be a great elected role. I'm not too sure if SP is still running or not, but if he is I'd also like more stuff out of him.
Honestly not too sure myself. But I'll take it as initiative to go through with running I was thinking about it but I wasn't too sure. But I think I am confident enough now with a little support from someone!
So what he says is, he's good at analysing. He figured out Kayla was Godfather from Day 1 in Game II, (but neglected to mention that he promptly dropped that suspicion). That isn't important, makes little sense for someone campaigning to emphasise a failing. Look at the way he addresses the question of trust. Some wishywashy sentence that doesn't actually say "Don't trust me" or "Trust me".
Useful if you put it into perspective of this post by Kippla:
He's disregarding the fact that Kippla's logic is terrible here. He knows it, and is wording his stance on trust in a way most likely to win the vote, but not to help town as a whole.
This isn't really relevant for this case as this post was made after VD's campaign post, but this is awful logic. Kippla is comparing this to a real-world election. Let's be realistic here, you shouldn't fully believe and trust every candidate in a real election anyway. People still vote though. More importantly, in real elections, you don't have to vote. In TBT Mafia, you do. This logic is completely wrong.
Continuing along the lines of a moderate campaign post, he mentions that he would be very approachable to people. Others have already commented on how dangerous this can be, given what happened last game. I personally disagree - you can discuss plans and give advice without revealing critical information. In fact, you HAVE to during the beginning stages when you are reaching out in PM land.
No comments on how he would play specifically as Mayor or Sheriff. Doesn't comment at all on how he would lead town. No real promises made in the context of transparency (his bit about being approachable all takes place in PM-land, where there's no transparency). In other words, he's not made himself one bit accountable to Town in this post.
This definitely seems to work - Kippla and Hikari immediately swallows it all up. Hikari especially taken in by VD's offer of being a "friendly" ear. FoxWolf throws a hissy fit because I'm trading blows with him and makes a protest vote for VD. He must be clapping laughing to himself at this stage.
I was incredibly suspicious of him at this point already, so I really pushed Trundle (whom I felt much stronger townie vibes from) to campaign harder. This worked, and as soon as I saw that we would be elected, I discussed a plan with Trundle to trap VD. As soon as VD lost the election, I PM'd him offering him incarceration, on the basis that he had died early the previous two games, and he (like myself) had expressed being protected from hits as a reason for running. What I really wanted to do was to see what would happen to KP that night, as incarcerating a Mafia member would have dropped KP to 3.
This was my PM exchange with him:
KarlaKGB said:
Hey VD, you didn't win the election but you have certainly put strong points out there. I have a feeling that as a town figurehead, and events of previous games, you'll be targeted tonight. Do you want to be incarcerated for the following Night and Day? You know how TBT Mafia is, it's highly probable that one or all of our medics are dumb and oblivious. I'd rather not take that risk with you - please let me know your thoughts about this.
I honestly don't think so. I think it'd probably be better to save incarcerations for later on when more people are dead. I also don't think I'll be targeted because I made a pretty sht campaign saying how I found out that Kayla was the Godfather and then everyone pretty much shut it down, so I'm thinking that the Mafia will see this as a reason to not kill me off: I can sometimes end up saying/doing things and then doing nothing about them. I think it will be fine not incarcerating me tonight. <3
..But I am a tad selfish. I may want incarceration on Night 2/Day 3, if you would be so kind. Hate to bring the damn first game into this lol going way back, but I think I was only killed that day because I was a bit more active if I remember right. Second game, I hadn't done a whole lot but I told Kayla I was a medic after night 1, which is probs why she got around to killing me that night.
So would it be okay if you just incarcerated me for night 2/day 3?
I've got three incarcerations to use, and with KP at 4 tonight (unless we hit scum), I really don't think you'll be safe. Your reason for running (like mine) was based around not wanting to die. To me, this means that you have an ability of some sort that you need to use, or you've found yourself a medic. I hope it's both!
Mhm, while it is a big risk I really just think we should hold off on the incarceration for tonight. Would it still be okay for you to use it on me on Night 2/Day 3 though?
Oh, and who are you thinking about lynching? (Or well, I hope discuss with Trundle to lynch) I probably won't be around for much longer, and I really don't have any suspicions so far apart from Blu Rose.. but I'm still not even sure about him!
At this stage, I'm shying away from the active posters. It's unlikely that more than one or two of the active posters in that thread are scum. No, I think we'll be looking at the lurkers and inactives for this one. Your thoughts?
Last thing I'll get in before getting to sleep, fyi
The only ones I can really think of are River and Farobi. River made a pretty crap post as youpointed out, and just idk, hasn't done a lot. Same with farobi, just made a post about his candidate options. Same thing with gandalf tho. I always hate the day one lynchbecauase I have no idea about who to go for. :l
OK, let's look at what this tells us. He is not afraid of dying and/or he has an ability he really wants to use. If he's innocent and not afraid of dying, this goes against him wanting to be elected for the protection. Maybe he has an ability he really needs to use, like Detective. Ok, that's one explaination. If he's a Medic, he can protect himself, but he could also ask for incarceration too. Sheriff has three incarcerations to use, that's actually quite a lot. It would be erroneously seen as a waste to incarcerate him. Roles like Vig, Hatter, Bus Driver don't NEED to be doing something on Night 1, no reason for him to refuse protection.
Oh, and what's another explanation for not being afraid of dying? He's scum.
He says he's a tad selfish and may want protection on the second night. Wait, he's a tad selfish? Well that weakens the possibility that he's a medic. Otherwise he'd have just taken the incarceration and have been completely safe, rather than risk being doublestacked and killed. Now this emphasis on the second night. Smells of Veteran to me. Still, if he's selfish, why not just take protection. Again it could be because he is, or knows another medic, and they can't protect him a second night in a row. If it's the latter case, surely he should take my protection, and tell that medic to protect someone else? I know I'm pressuring him and coming across as fishing for roles, hence why he could be so defensive, but if I'm offering to save him, that should give him an indication that I'm genuine. And if I didn't actually incarcerate him that night, he could easily call me out for it. In fact at this stage, I'm already certain he's a blue, and would have just quietly killed him if I was Mafia.
Look at the last two PMs from him. Changing the subject onto the lynch. Doesn't really say anything insightful. Points at Blu Rose, who we all know is a bad lynch at this stage. I push him a bit, and he points towards River, Farobi and Gandalf. I'm pretty certain River is innocent, Farobi I'm leaning towards innocent at this stage, and we know Gandalf is Townie (RIP). But this in itself doesn't tell us anything either.
Now let's look at his posting behaviour. One question is on my mind. Where has he been since Day 1 and his campaign post? He made campaign, got some votes, but didn't even push that hard afterwards. Completely opposite vibes from what he was giving with his posts at the start and his campaign post. Could it be he's seen that he's losing the election, and is just content to quietly let his bid die, lest he draw more attention to himself?
He says in his campaign post that he is good at coming up with arguments against people if he is allowed the time. He's certainly been allowed the time. He's definitely been active on the forums and in general - I've seen him chatting on IRC. Is he bitter about losing the election? Unlikely. So why isn't he contributing to town efforts, especially if he is at high risk of dying on the first night? For the answer, we should probably look once again at his campaign post:
Bear in mind that the Mafia also have their own chat, so if you see people not discussing as much as you should be, it may be an incentive to think of them discussing their plans in the mafia chat. (but that's a very loose reason, some people just lurk. It's more about constructive, helpful town posts)
This again ties in with why he only came in with his campaign halfway through Day 1. He had evidently been planning his campaign in the scum chat, waiting for the right moment to come in. Potentially waiting for his fellow scum to create a suitable opening for him to waltz in. Of course he also adds that people could just but lurking. Implying that is bad. So why is he doing it?
Now, a look at his posts in previous games. TBT Mafia I as a Townie
How come you're agreeing with everyone so easily, ACE? I think you're the suspicious one here.
Are you seeing the kind of posting he's making? Straight up pointing fingers. They may not be particularly constructive posts, but then there were very few in that game anyway. But look at this recklessness, this impulsiveness. All key Townie characteristics.
TBT Mafia II as a Paramedic
holla at me being wrong but yolo
The beginning of this post screams Mafia to me. Even just the beginning line.. YES SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE MAYOR OR SHERIFF.
In her opening little two sentences, she seems to feel the need to mention how much a part of the Town she is, which leads me to believe she actually isn't part of it, but only wants to convince people she is. Also her encouraging of detectives to inspect her seems a tad overconfident, and I think she could be like this because she is the Godfather and would come back as a town role, even though she isn't. I simply don't see why she emphasised her town-ness (is that a word) and for detectives to inspect her so much?
And this is out of thread, but talking with her she has adopted a different style to last game. She's becomes completely unwilling to share her role (she immediately told me she was Vigilante last game xo) and this is probably just paranoia but whenever I ask her if she's mafia, OK NGL, her grammar becomes completely perfect and it looks like she's trying hard not to look like mafia. This may be just because she's realised her mistakes from last game and changed for the better, but I personally think it's more trying to not look like mafia
...also her speech thing is a little eager (lol u keeno) to be Mayor? Maybe she just really wants it for the Town x: but she may also really want it to have a firm hand as a Mafia player (although that could be said for all the candidates)
So yeah. I think she might be Godfather.
inb4 i'm wrong
if you're not mafia soz xo
FIRST OF ALL idrc about being Mayor but I did want people to notice my posts so you are right about that.
(also the more I think about it I grew less and less caring in the OBS chat so I see why people forget about my efforts, if I had any ;- also this makes me seem like a massive noob :{ i h8 u for posting the truth
mhm I guess. I do think though that detectives should inspect those who really want to be mayor. I would also suggest Justin, AndyB, Gallows and Gandalf bcos they are the people that people really want, so we gotta know if they are scum or not
FAIRS
also yeah I did this exact same thing last time, I looked for really small things to go off of~ (often because people say there's nothing to go off, gotta find something to help out in town )
Listen to people and see what they think <3 all about the townsfolk, not just the mayor in charge!
...and go on probably my own ideas + seeing if other town peeps agree with me on that. chances are if multiple people think the same thing it could be right.
TY iLoveYou <3
Also Fireninja1: Was there even any need for you to post that? I see no reason apart from like the sake of posting lol.
That outspoken attitude we saw in Game 1 has been toned down significantly. Yes, he calls out Kayla, but drops it soon after. We don't see many more accusatory posts. We see him trying to help without trying to stick his neck out. Suggesting other election candidates, hinting at what blue roles should do. He still maintains his cheery "childish" way of posting - all those <3's, smileys all over the place. And his posting still bears the hallmarks of impulsive - little formatting, really not making an effort to make his post easy to read, giving that sense of rambling thoughts.
VillageDweller this game
Look at his posts so far. All pretty long. Very few smileys. Very well written. Looks like he's spent a good amount of time making sure he's got things right. This post in particular stands out to me as a contrast of style:
I'd also like to know this, while I appreciate your vote it's not like KarlaKGB isn't a good candidate, he's flipping amazing with his plan and good campaign.
I'd like it if people explained their votes for mayor just as they do with mafia lynch votes. Random votes don't help without an explanation.
- - - Post Merge - - -
o i was writing before you posted sorry, but is there any other reasons or is that it? o: I understand experience is a good thing but that shouldn't be the end all to rule out other candidates.
Now, what he originally posted was a reply to me/Kippla. No smileys, perfect grammar. A rather planned post. But as soon as he's posted, he hurriedly needs to add something on. And here we see the sudden breakdown in grammar. A clearly rushed post that looks more like the type of stuff he would write in Games I and II. The funny thing is, his original post wasn't that long anyway - three sentences. Just look at the difference between when he has all the time to work on his post, and when he's pushed to make a quick response, even when they are nearly the same length! So why in this game is he suddenly taking so much more care of how he writes? Nobody called him in previous games over it. The only explanation I can think of is, he's overcompensating.
Oh, and he just roleclaimed to me as Townie:
VillageDweller said:
I lost some of my text I was writing and forgot to add it in, when I said I haven't found out anything I wasn't saying I was a blue. I just generally haven't found out anything. However I think I can trust you, as with my role I can't really do anything so even if you are Mafia I doubt I would be high on your list to take out with my role: I'm just a townie. Kind of expected tho after 2 games in a row with an action role. :[
Well, go back and read my possible explanations for him not accepting my offer of incarceration. I think this just destroyed most of them. Leaving one - he is Mafia scum who did not want to be incarcerated so that KP would not drop.
Correction: VillageDweller was a Vigilante in the first game. That doesn't make much of a difference. Medics and DTs are still significantly more afraid of being found and killed than Vigilantes are.
Bear in mind that the Mafia also have their own chat, so if you see people not discussing as much as you should be, it may be an incentive to think of them discussing their plans in the mafia chat. (but that's a very loose reason, some people just lurk. It's more about constructive, helpful town posts)
This is a common Mafia tactic. Say something that scum would do, but then immediately discredit it. What effect does this have? It makes it look like you are actively contributing to scumhunting, but at the same time you're leaving yourself an out, in case you ever fall into that trap.
Okay, while it may be key townie characteristics, the first game isn't the best thing to do for post analysis. The game was new then. Some of us didn't know how to play efficiently.
I can't quote closed threads, but that's his sign-up post. He basically went into game one with the idea that he'd fail, hence why his posts in game one didn't have much subsistence and was just finger pointing. He didn't care, therefore, nothing to lose.
Now, the rejection of incarceration is weird. I honestly do not know why anybody would reject protection for the night, especially from somebody who also agrees that running for office was a good idea for protection each night. This is what sticks out to me the most, and might push me over the edge to vote for him.
However, then I read Justin's post, and Karla, I'd be suspicious of people in your own circle. You have said that you don't want us to trust you, a statement which I can assume applies to Trundle. Yet, the mayor decides to go against this, and tries to reach out to the community to get the remaining veterans, if any, to trust him. You were against roleclaiming to the elected roles and blindly trusting them, you mentioned this earlier in the thread. While Trundle attempting to find out people's roles via them messaging him is a little suspicious to me, it's nowhere near enough to push me over the edge to convince me that he's mafia.
If anything, I'd probably vote for VillageDweller based off the incarceration declination. Seriously, VD, you've got some explaining to do. Why would you decline protection from the night? You're a townie, as you have said. And from what we can tell, the mafia certainly likes to attack townies. Just look at the kills for the night. It's three townies and a veteran. How could protection not be a good thing for you?
All though it took me two days without sleep, I read Karla's post. Finally some legitimate evidence, if he is mafia, would that make Oath one as well? I remember him being pretty protective of him during the election.
