This is getting ridiculous
It seems as soon as someone makes a big post with SOME points everyone jumps on board. Not even questioning the evidence once. It's really easy to fake evidence against someone.
Ex. Oath claiming I claimed as Ankha when that didn't even happen?
Anyway, I feel like you guys really need to sit down and analyze everyone and everything that's going on here.
I'm going to start with Lunatic.
Lunatic said:
There's a few people that I'd like to point out: Kuma. You're being your usual quiet, sliding along the crowd self. You've only posted a handful of times, none of which have been extremely useful. + it's annoying when, unless we use a detective!
Lunatic said:
Finally, what's the point of trying to keep this secret anymore? The people I want to keep my role hidden from the most already knows it, so I'll go ahead and claim K.K. Slider. (Jack of all trades)
If you're the Jack...why don't you inspect Kuma? Have you used any bit of your role to contribute to town?
Now onto everyone questioning Jeremy.
Kaiaa said:
I didn't even think of that but he only said to kill me! Funny thing was I was pretty much idle until I pinged because my name was spoken, Jer is always idle but it doesn't mean he can't read
That's some pretty solid evidence against Jeremy here. What was Jeremy's response?
-snip-
Alright so Lunatic claims to have more evidence against Jer, let's see what that is.
Lunatic said:
I'll just remind everyone that Oath was suspicious of Jeremy.
My third scum suspicion as of now is Jeremy. Jer and I have talked about KP. He seems very confused by how mafia sends in their kills with the Gallows thing, since "you can't send in all the kills". While it's not entirely scummy, it does look to me like he's a new scum player that doesn't know how to send kills. He also simply hid behind Tom's "wall of salt" when he was accused of scum day one. Not dropping any hints. Just saying "you do this every game". Well, salt happens every game, regardless of your role, Jer.
I don't understand this. How does Jer not understanding how KP works make him [red]scum[/red]?
Oath and I were having a discussion in the irc on why [red]Gallows[/red] was sending in all the kills and Jubs denied him. This seemed odd to Oath because he claimed that normally Jubs allows kills sent through one person. So it looks like to me here that again Oath has been trying to manipulate fake evidence.
Also how did he hide behind Tom's wall of salt? If I remember correctly, Jeremy posted this story about being stabbed in the back which was clearly to be taken as a joke.
Lunatic said:
So I received a peculiar PM from Jeremy today:
Quote=Jeremy]
Hello. I know you're jack. Don't tell anyone, but I'm vig. I was blocked last night so I could die next. Although, that wasn't true for your case. It may have been a pitfall and/or random shot.
At first, I was wary of him, simply because having someone randomly PM you their role without any prior discussion is odd, but after a conversation with someone via PM, is when I began to realize how scummy he looked. I won't reveal what their role is, but Beary and Lynn both claimed to have been roleblocked, and I'm inclined to believe them, because they both talked about it for a while in Chatzy. They were pretty mad~ It's highly unlikely that there's three roleblockers on the mafia team, so that's a huge red flag right there. I was roleblocked night 2, which obviously means as early as day 2, mafia knew who I was. I'm beginning to wonder if Jeremy is that roleblocker~[/quote]
Very interesting. However, it is possible that there's three roleblockers. Isn't the possibility of a mafia doctor floating around as well? This is Jubs we're talking about. So I'd like to mark this an "okay" evidence but nothing
that compelling.
lynn said:
I was also informed that Jer targeted both me and Kaiaa, who died.
Um okay? Could we get a little more information please? Due to the actions of various members manipulating the truth (Trundle, Ashtot, Oath, etc) I have a hard time believing this. Informed by what? What role are you trying to confirm here? I think allowing the role name out should be okay since Mafia won't know who the role belongs to.
Truffle said:
I've been talking to Jeremy on IRC as well, and he made a few slips which leads me highly believe he is mafia. I will be voting for a lynch on Jeremy as soon as Jubs opens up votes.
[20:19] <Truffle> Oath screwed Lunatic by accidentally telling Gallows I think that she was the Jack
[20:20] <Jer> why didnt they kill or block her anyway
[20:21] <Truffle> Lol ikr
Somehow Jeremy knew that Lunatic wasn't blocked last night....
This looks like a legitimate question anyone would ask. If Mafia knows someone role wouldn't they kill or block them?
I think you're looking too much into the word block from Jeremy's part.
Truffle said:
[20:25] <Jer> i asked *INSERT NAME* if they would protect me but they either ignored me or didnt see they got a pm lol
[20:26] <Truffle> lol
[20:26] <Jer> wait did you even know they are a dr
So, Jeremy knows at least one of the doctors. I know this doctor didn't roleclaim to Jer either.
How can you be so sure that this doctor didn't roleclaim to Jer? Why would this doctor be so trusting of you anyway to release that information? What evidence do you have that proved your for town to make someone trust you that much?
This sounds just like Oath being "in contact" with a bunch of blues.
Truffle said:
[20:27] <Truffle> Almost everyone I've talked to this game has died
[20:28] <Truffle> Karen, Trundle, and Oath
[20:28] <Jer> i mostly talked to trundle and oath
[20:28] <Truffle> Yeah, Karen told me that Lunatic was the Jack day one
[20:29] <Jer> lol
[20:29] <Jer> oath told me the night before last or something
[20:29] <Truffle> Her big mouth probably killed Karen
[20:29] <Jer> how are you going to split up your bells (if at all) btw
[20:29] <Jer> actually i think oath told gallows
Oops!! Oath did tell Gallows, not you. But you found out Lunatic was the Jack when Gallows shared the information with you.
Actually, since no one can confirm or deny who else Oath told I'd like to bring up a list Oath gave to me.
oath2order said:
Since I won't say it in the main thread because I don't want people to know, I've been in contact with Gallows, Kaiaa, Kuma, Beary, Lunatic, Kit, Minties before her death, Farobi, Cory and I'm trying to start up something with Karla
I have a screenshot of this quote if someone needs it.
Funny how NEITHER Truffle OR Jeremy are in this list. So how did you guys find out about Lunatic? Truffle says Karen, but she's not in this list either...Unless Lunatic roleclaimed to Karen? Did you Lunatic?
And Jeremy how did you find out?
Truffle said:
[20:42] <Jer> oh i forgot medicine but thats really expensive. im assuming it?s a protect, but we already have 2 doctors and a jack so it?s not needed
[20:42] <Jer> bah i gotta go to the store now. didnt realize it was almost 9. bbiab
[20:42] <Truffle> Haha alright. xD
So you know there are two doctors, huh?
Isn't their generally two doctors?
[22:06 said:
<Truffle> Who do you think is scum right now? Jw
[22:06] <Jer> dolby was #1 on oath?s list so maybe
[22:06] <Jer> and maybe Laurina
Of course you would suspect Laurina. After all, she did just post about you, right?
Why was dolby on oath's list?
And a lot of people have been wondering about Laurina.
Truffle said:
He's claiming he's a one-shot vig who tried shooting Dolby (on fricking night three) but got role blocked. Reality check please. Make out of this what you will.
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TLDR As much as I want to vote for Jeremy because of everyone's big posts with mediocre evidence. I'll only be voting for Jeremy if he doesn't sufficiently answer two questions which could be considered as ACTUAL evidence.
1) What happened in the irc? Kaiaa was idle too. Did Gallows and Jubs know you were gone or something? WERE you gone or something?
2) How did you know about Lunatic?
