Mafia TBT Mini Mafia V: Cell Experiment [Game Over/Mafia Win]

LittleBeary said:

I think pally would be a good lynch candidate, as she is pretty inactive, and doesn't contribute often.

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We need a read on Waffles and Karen though, if this was regular mafia it'd be easier but we've got 24 hours to decide and Waffles probably won't be on for most of that.

So you guys have 24 hours to decide who be lynched.
I welcome you to look back at my past posts, as well as ITookYourWaffles and pallycake, and come to your own conclusion. I have posted several times...ITookYourWaffles has posted more as well, and pallycake once I believe.
I can't say anything really to defend myself - "Don't lynch me because I'm town" will just come out as desperate and scummy. I can say that I've tried my best into suggesting orders of the group I feel will be most beneficial to Town, as hopefully the more active players will keep posting and you can deduce information from there. I've constantly put myself out there to share my thoughts and opinions, whether or not you guys may think they are right. I'm still relatively new to mafia games and I realize that my process of thought may be different from veteran players.
I hope you guys think clearly and vote based on your own thoughts, because remember that there is a proportionally large population of Mafia lurking around (1/3!). This game is largely different from past mafia games, and even though there is no information to go off especially for my roommates, I tried my best to help and that hopefully showed. Some of you might be thinking that choosing Group E for first lynch was a bad choice, but I see it like this - me, ITYW, and pallycake are all not strong players (sorry!) and I strongly believe that we need to keep our outspoken players until the very end. It may seem hard to make a decision now but this is beneficial for future rounds. You guys will have more evidence to go off, and Mafia can go down >:3
I can answer questions if you guys have any for me. But yeah, I guess you could say this is my attempt at a defense / goodbye post since all the members in this group will be eliminated. And meanwhile, I'll work on the upcoming Pok?mon mafia ^^.

LittleBeary said:

I think pally would be a good lynch candidate, as she is pretty inactive, and doesn't contribute often.

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We need evidence though. No matter what, all three of these players will be removed from the game when Day 2 ends, so we need to figure out which of the three is mafia. That doesn't mean inactive = scum.

I know Trundle said he had a case against someone in this group, so I am waiting for that.

My previous inactivity levels shouldn't really be used as evidence..

Anyway, from the three of us I'd like to point out that Waffles has made the effort to contact me, and warn me that my inactivity may come off as suspicious.
If Waffles was mafia I don't think they'd look out for me, seeing as I'm a townie.

Karen has been making posts in the thread but to my knowledge has not reached out to either of us.

The game has just started and to be posting so much could be a sign of panic. Perhaps getting her name out there early on in the game is a tactic she's trying to use to hide the fact she's mafia.

pallycake said:

My previous inactivity levels shouldn't really be used as evidence..

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Um, what did you just say?

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pallycake said:

My previous inactivity levels shouldn't really be used as evidence..

Anyway, from the three of us I'd like to point out that Waffles has made the effort to contact me, and warn me that my inactivity may come off as suspicious.
If Waffles was mafia I don't think they'd look out for me, seeing as I'm a townie.

Karen has been making posts in the thread but to my knowledge has not reached out to either of us.

The game has just started and to be posting so much could be a sign of panic. Perhaps getting her name out there early on in the game is a tactic she's trying to use to hide the fact she's mafia.

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You basically just contradicted yourself. You say, "IF waffles was mafia she'd probably not warn me" then you say "She's trying to hide the fact that she's mafia". Do you think she's mafia or not?

pallycake said:

My previous inactivity levels shouldn't really be used as evidence..

Anyway, from the three of us I'd like to point out that Waffles has made the effort to contact me, and warn me that my inactivity may come off as suspicious.
If Waffles was mafia I don't think they'd look out for me, seeing as I'm a townie.

Karen has been making posts in the thread but to my knowledge has not reached out to either of us.

The game has just started and to be posting so much could be a sign of panic. Perhaps getting her name out there early on in the game is a tactic she's trying to use to hide the fact she's mafia.

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It might seem like a lot to you...but look at all my past games & you can see how much I post. Especially AC mafia. I had like 50 posts in Day 1 or something. Maybe more.

I have been in contact with Waffles actually, who made some good points against you. Again using past modkills in games as evidence. Not saying that should be concrete evidence, but iyour inactivity really something to remember.

I want to ask Waffles whats going on o-o

Karen said:

It might seem like a lot to you...but look at all my past games & you can see how much I post. Especially AC mafia. I had like 50 posts in Day 1 or something. Maybe more.

I have been in contact with Waffles actually, who made some good points against you. Again using past modkills in games as evidence. Not saying that should be concrete evidence, but iyour inactivity really something to remember.

I want to ask Waffles whats going on o-o

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That's really strange. Waffles was almost trying to give off the vibe that he was on my side and he also mentioned he was looking for points against you.

Maybe he's trying to put us against eachother?

Pally, I'm sad that I won't be able to see/judge your posts. I would rather put my placeholder vote on you out of anyone else in the group :C

I won't be online when Day 3 begins.

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pallycake said:

That's really strange. Waffles was almost trying to give off the vibe that he was on my side and he also mentioned he was looking for points against you.

Maybe he's trying to put us against eachother?

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Well, I got to see one more.
Waffles PM'ed me too. He is definitely out to get you, by the way he PMed you. I've gotta rethink this.

pallycake said:

That's really strange. Waffles was almost trying to give off the vibe that he was on my side and he also mentioned he was looking for points against you.

Maybe he's trying to put us against eachother?

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Hmm well he didn't mention he was looking for things against you :c it felt like he was on my side too lol. tbh I thought you were going to be inactive too. Maybe he's getting you guys to gang on me??

Waffles, you sir have some explaining to do.

Hello guys! I have here reasons to share why I believe Karen is mafia, though it is clearly not solid evidence. It is mainly behavioral changes and such. I have been in contact with Waffles, and first off, what Pally said is quite true.

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Anyway, from the three of us I'd like to point out that Waffles has made the effort to contact me, and warn me that my inactivity may come off as suspicious.
If Waffles was mafia I don't think they'd look out for me, seeing as I'm a townie.

Karen has been making posts in the thread but to my knowledge has not reached out to either of us.

The game has just started and to be posting so much could be a sign of panic. Perhaps getting her name out there early on in the game is a tactic she's trying to use to hide the fact she's mafia.

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If Waffles was mafia, why would she be warning Pally of inactivity while it'd be an easy way to get the first town lynch off?

Now, I have a small story for you guys to explain the context of how I know what has happened so far. First, Waffles said in the IRC that she knew who her scum group mate was. I PMed her and asked her who and how she knew. She said it was a conversation she had with Karen. I asked for the conversation and then pointed out the many flaws. Here is the conversation, and I will point out the flaws.

ITookYourWaffles said:

Karen said:

ITookYourWaffles said:

Karen said:

Hey :3 so I'm a townie and I think you are a townie as well from your posting style I think we need to work together against pallycake.
Since it looks like our group will be going first, we will need evidence against her. I liked the modkill thing you posted
I'm pretty sure she is mafioso ... In fact, if you're not lying, then she definitely is.

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I was gonna pm you about this as well. I'm fine getting lynch day one sadly we have lack/no evidence about her so my question is how can we convince people that pally is a scum? It would be the best to PM her maybe we can get infos.

And the reason why I post about modkills just a recap to some players maybe it will help us to investigate about her.

Pally haven't tried as scum, I do not know her role in Mafia VII. I have no info about her; shes inactive then modkilled

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We have no evidence tbh. I mean, she hasn't even posted yet -- isn't that enough evidence? We could say that if she were mafia, it would be so easy for her to hide by not posting.

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Okay, so first thing I notice off the bat: smileys everywhere. Smileys here, smileys there, smileys up Waffles' anus. Why all the smileys? Well, look at Karen's previous games. Rarely is there a smiley, other than an occasional o-o and very rarely a "". There are two ""s and a ":3" in Karen's first PM. Many people would not notice this but these smileys along with the content of the message show an overly friendly "trust me" stance.
Second thing is the content. In her first message she says "I think you are a townie from your posting style. I think we need to work together against Pallycake".
If this doesn't scream something horrid and red to you I'm not sure what will. First off, Waffles had made possibly 1 or 2 small posts at the time this message was sent. How could Karen have gotten a read so quickly? I think it's pretty clear that Karen was trying to gain Waffles' trust quickly in order to lynch an "inactive". So after I warned Waffles and told her to read into the messages better and her posts and told her to read them as if Waffles was writing them in a mafia viewpoint and a townie viewpoint, it became quite apparent to Waffles how badly he almost got fooled. I suggest you all do the same.

So, if you're a lazy butt
-Behavioral changes
-Pushing an inactive lynch knowing the person is semi-afk but makes resourceful posts
-Strange wording and motivation for posts

I suggest you all go back through her posts and read them in their whole context. Read them through, first off pretend you know she is mafia and see if her posts follow what a mafia would be saying, and then read them as if you know she is a townie. Which one is more plausible? I hope you all draw the same conclusion I had from it, as Karen is a smart player and usually her posts are leading the general crowd, while in this game, she is following the general crowd.

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I suggest you all go back through her posts and read them in their whole context. Read them through, first off pretend you know she is mafia and see if her posts follow what a mafia would be saying, and then read them as if you know she is a townie. Which one is more plausible? I hope you all draw the same conclusion I had from it, as Karen is a smart player and usually her posts are leading the general crowd, while in this game, she is following the general crowd.

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Okay, first of all, whats wrong with smileys? <_< or emojis in general? I use them a looot in other threads, I could link them here as reference if you guys really wanted to. I can see why you're suspicious though, but a lot of personal stuff has put me in a better mood. Like family stuff and final exam grades ^_^ I sort of just realized that's bad for Mafia as you're not supposed to tie in personal stuff with it, so I apologize. I'll take my smileys out.

I only PM'ed Waffles because he(she?) had a post earlier pretty much attacking Pally imo (It was listing her past modkills and stuff). And I'm not going to lie. I am suspicious of Pally, and I thought Waffle seemed sincere. Maybe that was a mistake. Because In Faithful June Mafia, when I tried to work with other players, I chose to PM two people and they were both mafia - Gandalf and Trundle. Oops.

Second of all, how do I lead the general crowd? The last few times I attempted to (Ac mafia - I tried to stop you guys from lynching PurplPanda) but failed miserably. Plus, this time I was the first one that suggested Group E up for first lynch in case you guys forgot. I think that is leading the crowd.

I think the biggest misconception is that, it seems like you guys have all started to follow my reasoning to lynch inactives early on. In AC mafia I kept calling for an early inactive lynch, but none of you guys agreed. You can call that "leading the general crowd".

Now in this game it seems like everyone has the same mindset. Lynch an inactive. You can say that I am "following the crowd" but I like to say that I have always thought it like that. I sort of led the crowd to now believe lynching inactives first is a good thing ~

Karen said:

Okay, first of all, whats wrong with smileys? <_< or emojis in general? I use them a looot in other threads, I could link them here as reference if you guys really wanted to. I can see why you're suspicious though, but a lot of personal stuff has put me in a better mood. Like family stuff and final exam grades ^_^ I sort of just realized that's bad for Mafia as you're not supposed to tie in personal stuff with it, so I apologize. I'll take my smileys out.

I only PM'ed Waffles because he(she?) had a post earlier pretty much attacking Pally imo (It was listing her past modkills and stuff). And I'm not going to lie. I am suspicious of Pally, and I thought Waffle seemed sincere. Maybe that was a mistake. Because In Faithful June Mafia, when I tried to work with other players, I chose to PM two people and they were both mafia - Gandalf and Trundle. Oops.

Second of all, how do I lead the general crowd? The last few times I attempted to (Ac mafia - I tried to stop you guys from lynching PurplPanda) but failed miserably. Plus, this time I was the first one that suggested Group E up for first lynch in case you guys forgot. I think that is leading the crowd.

I think the biggest misconception is that, it seems like you guys have all started to follow my reasoning to lynch inactives early on. In AC mafia I kept calling for an early inactive lynch, but none of you guys agreed. You can call that "leading the general crowd".

Now in this game it seems like everyone has the same mindset. Lynch an inactive. You can say that I am "following the crowd" but I like to say that I have always thought it like that. I sort of led the crowd to now believe lynching inactives first is a good thing ~

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While you failed miserably, you still attempted to, and whether or not you succeeded, trying to lead the crowd is something you do as a town member. Also, in this game, we can not lynch inactives if we have the choice. We didn't choose your group to lynch someone who is inactive, because your whole group is going to be out of the game after the lynch. So, all in all, you are trying to lead your town to a town lynch? We're not taking out Pallycake just due to minor inactivity due to the bit of evidence we have on you. Whether it's you or someone else, I would rather go for the one who we actually have anything on. You didn't put any defense on why you were so quick to trust Waffles. While she may have made a post against pallycake, it doesn't mean that she herself can't be mafia. A mafia can post something that is "sincere" considering they WOULD want to lynch town. You can say all you want in defense, and I applaud you for it, but chances are it's all hogwash.

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While you failed miserably, you still attempted to, and whether or not you succeeded, trying to lead the crowd is something you do as a town member. Also, in this game, we can not lynch inactives if we have the choice. We didn't choose your group to lynch someone who is inactive, because your whole group is going to be out of the game after the lynch. So, all in all, you are trying to lead your town to a town lynch? We're not taking out Pallycake just due to minor inactivity due to the bit of evidence we have on you. Whether it's you or someone else, I would rather go for the one who we actually have anything on. You didn't put any defense on why you were so quick to trust Waffles. While she may have made a post against pallycake, it doesn't mean that she herself can't be mafia. A mafia can post something that is "sincere" considering they WOULD want to lynch town. You can say all you want in defense, and I applaud you for it, but chances are it's all hogwash.

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I did lead the crowd. I led the crowd to choose Group E for first lynching.

I chose to trust Waffles because I thought pally was never going to post, and that's a mafia quality for me. Limited posting is a good way to hide for Mafia. I always listed Waffles as an inactive player, and he/she came out to post, which led me to believe that she is Town.

I am not trying to lead town to a town lynch. I am trying to lead town to an easier path for future rounds. Let me re-explain my reasoning for putting up my group for First Lynching.

My Reasoning!

1) My group gets lynched first. There is a good percentage to hit scum. It is relatively inactive compared to other groups so it needs to get out of the way first --
2) While we discuss who to lynch for my round, strong players will come out and say stuff. = more evidence.
3) if you kept my group to last lynching, there would be significantly less evidence. Let's say, pallycake vs. Trundle.
4) the more evidence there means higher percentage to hit scum

It may seem risky but I'm looking at the big picture here. I understand that my thinking might be wrong since its a completely new type of mafia, but there it is. I base my suspects off evidence. When I PM'ed waffles, pallycake did not have a single post.

Karen, the only "evidence" you had on me was that I didn't post.
You do realize that members of Mafia post right? So that's pretty flawed logic. (Sorry)

You so EASILY trusted Waffles. Why? Because they posted? I'm failing to see any logic here.

I've already posted the reason I personally trust Waffles, and it's because they went out of their way to message me in the irc to tell me to get active.

In your response to my post in this thread you played it off that Waffles was making points against me. Yet in reality, you failed to mention that YOU initiated the entire thing. (As evident in the FIRST private message you sent to Waffles)

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* I already posted the reason as to why

pallycake said:

Karen, the only "evidence" you had on me was that I didn't post.
You do realize that members of Mafia post right? So that's pretty flawed logic. (Sorry)

You so EASILY trusted Waffles. Why? Because they posted? I'm failing to see any logic here.

I've already posted the reason I personally trust Waffles, and it's because they went out of their way to message me in the irc to tell me to get active.

In your response to my post in this thread you played it off that Waffles was making points against me. Yet in reality, you failed to mention that YOU initiated the entire thing. (As evident in the FIRST private message you sent to Waffles)

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Members don't always post. When I was mafia, I was pretty inactive in the thread. We can't assume that someone is mafia because of inactivity, or over activity. It's just silly.

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Mafia * not members >_<

Yeah exactly my point Beary

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This isn't normal Mafia where lynching inactives will get the ball rolling.

pallycake said:

Karen, the only "evidence" you had on me was that I didn't post.
You do realize that members of Mafia post right? So that's pretty flawed logic. (Sorry)

You so EASILY trusted Waffles. Why? Because they posted? I'm failing to see any logic here.

I've already posted the reason I personally trust Waffles, and it's because they went out of their way to message me in the irc to tell me to get active.

In your response to my post in this thread you played it off that Waffles was making points against me. Yet in reality, you failed to mention that YOU initiated the entire thing. (As evident in the FIRST private message you sent to Waffles)

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I already said that I trusted Waffles because he/she is usually inactive, and they came out to post with sensible evidence against you (the modkill thing). You didn't have a single post. What was I supposed to do? Get on your good side to gang up on the other player? I'm sorry, but I don't do that. I contact you if I feel like I can work with you. I felt like I could work with Waffles because she implied that she suspicious of you, and I agreed. You can't blame me (or Waffles) for suspecting you. You didn't post at all. If you had posted, I wouldn't have PM'ed Waffles.

Basically you are saying that you suspect me because I didn't reach out to you. I wouldn't reach out to you if I suspected you, I don't get that logic. It's basically saying to keep your enemies closer, and I don't believe in that.

I agree that inactiveness is not the best evidence to go off, but it has to start somewhere. So that's that.

Let me sum up what you are saying: you trust Waffles because she PM'ed you to be careful. Okay, thats it? I could PM every player to be careful, and would they all trust me? I don't think so.

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pallycake said:

Yeah exactly my point Beary

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This isn't normal Mafia where lynching inactives will get the ball rolling.

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Beary is also saying that you can't judge Mafia members for being over-active. I encourage you to look at AC Mafia Day 1 and see how much I post.

So fine. I apologize for suspecting you because of inactivity, and I'm glad that you came out and posted.

Um no I didn't say I suspect you for not reaching out to me. I suspect you because there's inconsistencies appearing in your posts and your PM conversation with Waffles.


I trust Waffles because she advised me to post more because it could come off as scummy. If Waffles was mafia why would she be worried about a townie coming off as mafia? That makes no sense.

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Also Karen come off invisible :}

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I am no longer judging you for posting a lot. The game has been developing, please review my post.

pallycake said:

Um no I didn't say I suspect you for not reaching out to me. I suspect you because there's inconsistencies appearing in your posts and your PM conversation with Waffles.


I trust Waffles because she advised me to post more because it could come off as scummy. If Waffles was mafia why would she be worried about a townie coming off as mafia? That makes no sense.

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Also Karen come off invisible :}

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I don't get why I have to come off invisible? Plenty of mafia people have it on. I'll turn it off later.

Please specify what inconsistencies exactly. I already addressed why I trusted Waffles. I addressed the smiley faces. I addressed the leading the crowd problem.

Let me ask you this. How does Waffles know you are a townie for sure? You pretty much just said Waffles knew you were a townie and was worried about you. That makes no sense, unless Waffles is mafia. Because Mafia would know who is town.

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And to add further...worried about you, to seem Pro-Town.