Mafia TBT Mafia IX: The Apocalypse [Game Over/Town Win]

Tom said:

Also to be honest, I'm surprised I haven't been shot/killed yet. :/ Usually by now someone's tried to off me, so unless the Mafia team only plans on keeping me around long enough to rid themselves of the horsemen, I wonder if somebody knows something I don't.

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Im surprised it took everyone so long to post about me living through night one and being inactive. I'll try to step up but there are too many things going on right now that im struggling to put two and two together on this game.

I've seen people mention 'confirmed town' a lot. Maybe someone could fill me in on that to make a start. Yes, this is a desperate plea for a pm.

Things aren't going too great for us right now. Although we've severely disabled the Horsemen, the Servants of Hell are still at large and haven't suffered a single casualty. However I believe I have a fairly good idea of who one of our two remaining horsemen (or horsewoman in this case) could be. Let me point your attention to Kaiaa.

My biggest problem is that immediately after Oath (Famine) was killed, she roleclaimed Baker.

Kaiaa said:

Now that Oath is dead I can tell you that I'm a Baker but unfortunately, I can't really prove I'm town aligned unless inspected twice in a row (in case I'm framed the night of the first inspection), all you have to go off of is my word.

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To me this screams a very sloppy cover-up and I'm annoyed that I didn't spot it earlier. After Oath was out of the game, bakers immediately became lower-priority targets for the horsemen and servants of hell. They're not going to save anybody anymore so taking them out isn't important. By roleclaiming baker, she effectively put herself in the safest possible spot at that point in the game. Now assuming my theory that she belongs to the horseman is correct, this next quote should arouse suspicion:

Kaiaa said:

Well if that isn't compelling enough I don't know what is, Gallows and possibly Pally/Jubs are definitely not for the town. Gallows will have my vote as well, the others should defend themselves tonight so we can see what they have to say.

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After Tom's post providing nearly concrete proof that Gallows was up to no good, Kaiaa makes an incredibly pro-town post, again putting her in a very safe spot. Her teammate Gallows was done for and all she could do now was take advantage of the situation and join the lynch, keeping her under the radar.

Kaiaa said:

Yay! That's two horsemen down, now we have the others and the mafia to go!

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Trying too hard to seem pleased about Gallows getting killed? Almost definitely. I'm noticing a trend in these posts.
And if all that didn't convince you to be at least a little bit wary of Kaiaa, this more recent post should really tie it all together.

Kaiaa said:

Has anyone else noticed how we have so many nurses dying yet Pestilence isn't killing anyone? Pestilence is clearly someone who is inactive, someone who hasn't done much posting since the game started.

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Sataric responds with the following:

Sataric said:

Pestilence can only kill on Even Numbered DAYS - Meaning Day 2, 4, 6, etc - And he did in fact kill PurplPanda on Day 2 which was his only opportunity so far. One kill out of one possible chance is actually a 100% kill ratio, so he is not inactive at all.

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This is true. Currently we are on day three and Pestilence has only had one even numbered day to kill on, which he (or she) has utilised. Purpl was their victim. To me this is another shoddy attempt to make herself look innocent.

For all of the above reasons I firmly believe Kaiaa belongs to the Horsemen.
If she's not a Horseman then she is most certainly up to no good.

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In summation, I think Kaiaa should be our number one lynch candidate for today. Her strategy seems to be to appear as innocent as possible at all times without particularly contributing to the thread. Although the servants of hell still haven't taken a single hit, there is a good chance that she is Pestilence and if we let her live until day 4, we will see another death.

I'll withhold my vote for now (since we have plenty of time left and I'd like to see if anybody has any better ideas) but I strongly suggest we keep an eye on Kaiaa.

Fabobi told me his role and suspicions, so I told PurplPanda about it. I was about to post a suspicion about Kaiaa but trundle did post about her everything thats why I have nothing much to say.

Interesting theories on Kaiaa but I think there are far more suspicious people yet for me to decide who I'd vote for. I'm working with the vig and jack to figure out a few things first.

No one has pmed me or work with me except Farobi there is something that is bothering me tho I'm not sure about it. Kaiaa is only my suspicion not sure about the inactives maybe they are not interested of the game or they left behind.

BlueLeaf said:

I may make somewhat of a case against her, but Pally has been on my mind when I saw the deaths. Prin suspected Pally from the beginning. It may be a frame, but why not just frame Pally on Night 2? It could possibly be an attempt to get Prin off of Pally, while she was quiet and didn't go insane in accusing her. What I find the strangest is that Pally said analyzation won't get us too far. Either this is just a stupid Town post or Scum/Horsemen trying to stop us from analyzing.

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*Something has happened through PM's. For now, we should be able to trust Pally, due to some information I have gotten.

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Sorry man, my analyze post was taken out of context I should have been more clear. (Was on my phone)
Basically you know how Minties posted about how most players will be changing their play style from when they're mafia? I was referring to that.

Gandalf said:

Im surprised it took everyone so long to post about me living through night one and being inactive. I'll try to step up but there are too many things going on right now that im struggling to put two and two together on this game.

I've seen people mention 'confirmed town' a lot. Maybe someone could fill me in on that to make a start. Yes, this is a desperate plea for a pm.

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I am glad that I decided to message you, mister Gandalf. I had strong suspicions that you might be scum but after our conversation I do believe that I was mistaken, and that you can indeed be trusted. I hope you will have time to play more actively during the next few days because we could benefit from your assistance. Thank you very much.

Also, I felt that MisterNeedleMouse made an excellent case against Kaiaa, but the day is still far from over and perhaps we will have more clues showing up as time progresses.

pallycake said:

Sorry man, my analyze post was taken out of context I should have been more clear. (Was on my phone)
Basically you know how Minties posted about how most players will be changing their play style from when they're mafia? I was referring to that.

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That's mafia 101, step it up scrub.

I have a concern regarding Justin.

On the very first night, three people visited SuperPenguin - The Watchman that was working with PurplPanda, Sway (Who we now know was an investigator), and Justin who ended up shooting him. After the kill was made, Justin stayed completely quiet until the Watchman's targets got revealed and his name came up, and at that point he was fairly quick to admit that he was indeed the culprit, but that he was a Vigilante and that he was now out of bullets. Here is the post:

Justin said:

Not sure which info has been public and which hasn't as I've been communicating through PMs, but to clear things up, I'll confirm that I did target SP as I used my vig shot last night on him.

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Now here is what I cannot grasp: If Justin was truly a Vigilante with a single shot, then that would now make him a character without any ability left to use. So how come he's not actively participating in trying to find out who's town and who's scum? We barely see him posting anything at all, and people I've been PMing with all seem to be unsure of him, and many find him inactive as well. If he can no longer use an ability at night, that makes it more important to compensate for it with hard work, surely. I just find it strange.

It's entirely possible that he has still got another bullet left, and just didn't want to admit it - In which case, this statement of mine will put pressure onto him to use it tonight. (Which he likely would have done either way, seeing as we're rather desperate to reduce the Hell Servants numbers at this point..) - But it is also a possibility that he is in fact Scum and has been all along. Just something to consider.

Sataric said:

Now here is what I cannot grasp: If Justin was truly a Vigilante with a single shot, then that would now make him a character without any ability left to use. So how come he's not actively participating in trying to find out who's town and who's scum? We barely see him posting anything at all, and people I've been PMing with all seem to be unsure of him, and many find him inactive as well. If he can no longer use an ability at night, that makes it more important to compensate for it with hard work, surely. I just find it strange.

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He is like that in the previous games, if we lynch him and he flips blue then that is the problem. I think he is really busy in real life.

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Tbh, I'm kinda surprised that people didn't kill me or something in previous games I died early for screwed up or something.

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*like in previous games

ITookYourWaffles said:

He is like that in the previous games, if we lynch him and he flips blue then that is the problem. I think he is really busy in real life.

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He was fairly active in past games though. He had a decent post count, but in this game he's gone to Kuma levels of activity. This odd inactivity makes me believe he's hiding something. :\ and if Justin is this "1-shot vig" he claims to be, he'd essentially be a townie.

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I'd like to atleast hear from Justin to clear things up.

Lunatic said:

He was fairly active in past games though. He had a decent post count, but in this game he's gone to Kuma levels of activity. This odd inactivity makes me believe he's hiding something. :\ and if Justin is this "1-shot vig" he claims to be, he'd essentially be a townie.

I'd like to atleast hear from Justin to clear things up.

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It would be the best to wait for Jubs to speak I have a feeling he could be a scum hiding and I want to apologies for not contributing/inactive I just frigging dunno what to say and no one has contacted me with really feels that I'm left behind or something.

Btw its rarely to see you putting emotes in mafia games.

This isn't much of a case, but I'm finding it kind of difficult to find anything better that hasn't already been posted. I'd like to bring up DarkNightMoon though.

Here's some of what Karen posted early near the beginning of the game:

Karen said:

DarkNightMoon - at least she tries and in the last game, posted quite a few times I think? I don't think she spams or anything, but she's never been scum or third party before so it would be hard to tell if she's scum unless she somehow slips up.

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I checked the last game to be sure, and it seems that they were posting quite a bit (as a blue role), whereas now, they aren't posting much all. It could just be that they're busy and haven't had time to post as they did in that game, but I thought it was at least worth pointing out.

This could make me sound like a hypocrite, but what I'm trying to say is that they posted more as a blue role in the previous mafia game, but not so much in this one.

I've also been suspecting Jer too, but really am struggling for chances to gather evidence and try to make a good case.

Tom said:

That's mafia 101, step it up scrub.

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HOLD THE PHONE

In response to Tom's list, I don't have enough evidence to make a case against someone at this moment in time. However, there appears to be more people roleclaiming Baker than can actually be possible in this game.

Three of the Bakers are confirmed as they died: Purplpanda, Superpenguin, and Farobi.
Kaiaa has roleclaimed Baker in this thread.
I am a Baker, and I have heard rumours that the following people have roleclaimed Baker as well: DarkKnightMoon, River, Yui Z, MissNoodle, ITookYourWaffles, and BellBringerGreen.

I think it is fair to say that we definitely DO NOT have 11 Bakers in this game. I was thinking perhaps 6 - 7 seems more accurate given the number of Servants of Hell and the fact that we have Nurses as another Townie role.

If you are not a Baker, please send a PM to someone you can trust with your true role. I understand that people want to hide behind the townie roles if they have an important blue role, but we also have to consider that some Servants of Hell or Horsemen are hiding behind this role too.

pallycake said:

HOLD THE PHONE

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Sorry you suck!

@Feloreena: There's a few too many bakers, certainly. I really hope we've got a nurse out there somewhere, otherwise we could be in trouble if we don't get rid of Pestilence.

Tom said:

Sorry you suck!

@Feloreena: There's a few too many bakers, certainly. I really hope we've got a nurse out there somewhere, otherwise we could be in trouble if we don't get rid of Pestilence.

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I don't see why you're so worried about Pestilence, to be honest. The only clever move on his part, if he wishes to succeed with winning the game, is to target the player he thinks is the most likely to be Mafia/Hell, since they will win by default if he eliminates more townies. Pestilence is ALMOST on our side until the Hell servants numbers have gone down, if you do the math..

I'm watching you, Tom..

Sataric said:

I don't see why you're so worried about Pestilence, to be honest. The only clever move on his part, if he wishes to succeed with winning the game, is to target the player he thinks is the most likely to be Mafia/Hell, since they will win by default if he eliminates more townies. Pestilence is ALMOST on our side until the Hell servants numbers have gone down, if you do the math..

I'm watching you, Tom..

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I'm worried about Pestilence because we've got an overwhelming amount of Baker claims but we don't have enough nurse claims (and if you're a nurse out there, please do not out yourself). I'm curious now actually, why do you seem to be so unconcerned about Pestilence? Sure he's not a major player now with the mafia quickly gaining the lead (especially if as town we don't choose our actions wisely tonight), but he/she is still a threat.

Anyways, thank you to those who've put something together compared to the people still hiding in the shadows. I think our best option is to lynch Kaiaa, leave some of our "baker" friends to any vigs/jacks if we still have any. To be honest, at this point, most of the people I was working with don't trust me (why do you people become so paranoid after someone leads a good lynch??) so I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to last. Threats to have me shot and threats to have me inspected are just irritating at this point. It's got me worried I'm just working with the wrong people.

Tom said:

I'm worried about Pestilence because we've got an overwhelming amount of Baker claims but we don't have enough nurse claims (and if you're a nurse out there, please do not out yourself). I'm curious now actually, why do you seem to be so unconcerned about Pestilence? Sure he's not a major player now with the mafia quickly gaining the lead (especially if as town we don't choose our actions wisely tonight), but he/she is still a threat.

Anyways, thank you to those who've put something together compared to the people still hiding in the shadows. I think our best option is to lynch Kaiaa, leave some of our "baker" friends to any vigs/jacks if we still have any. To be honest, at this point, most of the people I was working with don't trust me (why do you people become so paranoid after someone leads a good lynch??) so I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to last. Threats to have me shot and threats to have me inspected are just irritating at this point. It's got me worried I'm just working with the wrong people.

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I am not overly concerned with Pestilence at this particular moment because this is the one time during the course of this game in which keeping him alive for another night is potentially beneficial to Town, seeing as he may very well aim to take out a Hell servant if he's playing to win. (Which I would assume he is!) If none of them die, and townies keep on falling, the Hell servants win by default as soon as they equal the towns people in numbers. Therefore he simply must target a Hell servant or he will forfeit the game.

Anyways, I don't think Kaiaa is a bad choice for lynching - And I share your concerns about some of the people that I've been working with. I almost feel as if there is little left to do now except to stack the odds in our favor and then roll the dice, hoping for the best.

It's strange to me how DarkNightMoon hasn't been modkilled yet. No blame to LaurinaMN, but perhaps her possible modkill could be game-changing, or she just wanted to give the alignment she's in a chance? It could be something to consider when we run out of options, or to be dealt with a Vig.
But I can't really be sure as some other players haven't voted/posted in a while and they haven't been modkilled, but it's still a good option.

It sucks that Kaiaa hasn't served a worthy defense to actually see her as truly Town. It's very likely I'll place my vote on her, unless someone brings up someone more lynch-worthy.