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Also, Sataric:
1. "I'm going to bed"
2. lurks the thread
3. suddenly appears with misinformation and bizarre accusations the second his name is brought up
4. believes that he has an out since Ashtot included my name with his

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WHAT DID YOU DO TO OKASAN.

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**** OOPS WRONG PERSON.


WHAT DID YOU DO TO 8FLOOR

I did nothing to 8floor, as I have no night powers to use to begin with.
 
Asking the watcher to personally reveal themselves is very scummy when we have no idea how little or great our numbers are.

Just a thought and its stupid risky, but how do you all feel about claiming to me? My role is out in the open, I don't run risk of being converted and I'm an easy target for either scum team right now.
 
sorry it took me longer than you wanted, I took a minute to breathe before I posted anything. because I didn't want it to appear to be solely salt driving my frustration.

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Obviously I don't actually expect anyone to claim watcher

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I'm simply saying that that is the only way for it to be confirmed that Sataric isn't simply throwing this out to cover his ass.
 
Also, Sataric:
1. "I'm going to bed"
2. lurks the thread
3. suddenly appears with misinformation and bizarre accusations the second his name is brought up
4. believes that he has an out since Ashtot included my name with his

Well, it's 05:11 am here in Sweden right now. I should be asleep. I even went to bed for a while, and posted from my phone. But all this drama made me get back up again.

The Watcher will not reveal themselves just to prove that I am not lying - But Oath2Order (who the watcher inspected Night 1) can confirm that I was correct about the Watchers reads then, at the very least. That should suffice to make my accusations have more merit. Since you're still lying, I will cast my vote on you without further hesitation.
 
Well, it's 05:11 am here in Sweden right now. I should be asleep. I even went to bed for a while, and posted from my phone. But all this drama made me get back up again.

The Watcher will not reveal themselves just to prove that I am not lying - But Oath2Order (who the watcher inspected Night 1) can confirm that I was correct about the Watchers reads then, at the very least. That should suffice to make my accusations have more merit. Since you're still lying, I will cast my vote on you without further hesitation.

But how do we know you and Oath aren't on a team? How do we even know if there's a watcher to begin with?
 
As long as no one counter claims the jailer, which I highly doubt they would, I am happy to claim to Tom
 
But how do we know you and Oath aren't on a team? How do we even know if there's a watcher to begin with?

This is basically what I'm getting at with his "network." He states that he's in cahoots with all these blues, yet shy of outting themselves over a pointless lynching, there is literally no way of confirmation.
He is priding himself over all of this contact but his "network" may very well simply be scum chat.
 
This is basically what I'm getting at with his "network." He states that he's in cahoots with all these blues, yet shy of outting themselves over a pointless lynching, there is literally no way of confirmation.
He is priding himself over all of this contact but his "network" may very well simply be scum chat.

Well, now you're just shooting yourself in the foot. You claim that you cannot visit anyone because you're GREEN, and you want me to out the blue roles I've been talking to just so we don't mislynch a townie? Seems legit..

Also, I am not "priding myself" over anything - This isn't a "Leggo My Eggo" scenario. I am simply being the voice for the Watcher in this situation so that the Watcher doesn't have to reveal who they are; to keep them safe.
 
Well then Oath, what would you like to add?

What? Why you calling me out? This argument is between you and Sataric.

But, since you did, I might as well say.

Okay, so since apparently Minties was rocketed

I should be asleep, yet here I am.. Posting from phone, no BB-Codes.
Very sad to see us take such heavy losses. I was clearly wrong about MewMew - I truly thought she would turn out to be scum. I believe the watcher checked Okasan so we should have more info about him soon, though I cannot forward it until tomorrow morning since I do need to sleep. I am guessing the EXALT rocket hit Minties since both her and Tsundere died. Dolby was protecting me but I did not get targeted. Perhaps one of the scum teams was afraid he was on the OTHER scum team, or perhaps they thought he would find them all given enough time. Central is still alive and I think he should send another Rookie ASAP!

and Aerious was shot by SP's vigilante, assuming all of the night one kills were Alien kills, then that means the Aliens have 3 KP, and since I haven't heard anything else, then I can assume we are facing an Alien team that started with 6, which is now 5 with Capella's death. That leaves on death unaccounted for.

tsundere Minties - Apparently rocket.
Aerious - Apparently vigilante

That leaves Superpenguin, Mewmewmewm, 8floor and Dolby left. One of these people was either Snipered by EXALT, thanks for reminding me that in IRC, Tom, or vigilante/jack of all traded.

It DOES seem a little odd that Sataric seems to know all these blues and then we keep losing them each night. I have to wonder if Mewmewmewm was in contact with him.

Okasan, what is your role?

I'd be up to lynch either of them today. Sataric constantly coming back into the thread after he "goes to bed" is odd.
 
Well, now you're just shooting yourself in the foot. You claim that you cannot visit anyone because you're GREEN, and you want me to out the blue roles I've been talking to just so we don't mislynch a townie? Seems legit..

Also, I am not "priding myself" over anything - This isn't a "Leggo My Eggo" scenario. I am simply being the voice for the Watcher in this situation so that the Watcher doesn't have to reveal who they are; to keep them safe.

For the third time, this is me pointing out that I am not saying any blue roles should out themselves as we have lost far too many town members without killing a single EXALT and only one Alien.

I am saying that you are lying about a Watcher claim, simply because Ashtot brought our names up and I explained my suspicion of you.

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I would have liked to bold that entire body of text honestly because apparently you think that I want people to stupidly claim roles over a mislynch, when I've clearly stated that that is obviously not the case.

so I'll repeat myself in bold this time so there is no confusion:

You are lying about the Watcher claim because Ashton mentioned our names and I explained my suspicion of you.
 
ok uh
ill let this sataric / okasan debate go on and
<TrentTom> Yeah. Plus we do not want Harry to fall to the wayside
 
~@ Oath2Order - The only blue role that has died that I have spoken to is Dolby. People keep saying that I have this "network" all the time, but those are not my words; They are words used by scum to make my arguments seem to hold less value and to cast suspicion on to me. The other blue roles that I am in contact with (Watcher + Detective) is still very much alive.

In the end, it comes down to trusting me or trusting Okasan, though. I don't want the watcher to reveal themselves just to save me, but I am willing to claim to proceed with the plan of claiming to Tom if that is what it takes to win the majority of town over to my side, because we simply cannot afford to make another miscalculation at this point. Almost half of the people still alive are now scum on either the Alien or the EXALT team - I hope everyone realizes this.

So I must ask you all to really stop for a moment and think: Would a scum member REALLY put themselves at risk just to get a Rookie lynched? Okasan could have fake claimed Vigilante and said that he shot 8floor because we were suspicious of him, but he did not - He stuck to the Rookie claim, and that's why I can know for almost complete certain that he's scum.
 
~@ Oath2Order - The only blue role that has died that I have spoken to is Dolby. People keep saying that I have this "network" all the time, but those are not my words; They are words used by scum to make my arguments seem to hold less value and to cast suspicion on to me. The other blue roles that I am in contact with (Watcher + Detective) is still very much alive.

In the end, it comes down to trusting me or trusting Okasan, though. I don't want the watcher to reveal themselves just to save me, but I am willing to claim to proceed with the plan of claiming to Tom if that is what it takes to win the majority of town over to my side, because we simply cannot afford to make another miscalculation at this point. Almost half of the people still alive are now scum on either the Alien or the EXALT team - I hope everyone realizes this.

So I must ask you all to really stop for a moment and think: Would a scum member REALLY put themselves at risk just to get a Rookie lynched? Okasan could have fake claimed Vigilante and said that he shot 8floor because we were suspicious of him, but he did not - He stuck to the Rookie claim, and that's why I can know for almost complete certain that he's scum.

Then why did you think that the rocketeer targeted Minties?
 
You could be veteran, you could be townie.

I am not veteran. I thought I had put "as I am green and have no night powers to begin with"
Sataric's pm from me wasn't untrue, as I did claim to him as green, however I can't say the same for his other statements.
 
Then why did you think that the rocketeer targeted Minties?

From Tsundere's Last Will:
"I'm protecting Minties night two, if I don't get roleblocked/mind controlled that is."

How else would Minties AND Tsundere both have died, despite Minties being protected? I suppose it's possible that BOTH the EXALT Sniper Sniper AND an Alien targeted Minties, and the Sniper got Tsundere whilst the other got Minties, but that seems a bit more far-fetched. And you wouldn't be wise keep the rocket forever, since you'd risk dying, so I reckon it was used last night.
 
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