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Mafia TBT Mini Mafia XIV: My Little Mafia: Deception is Magic [Endgame - Ponyville wins!]

I'm gonna vote for KarlaKGB today. So far, after being accused, his posts seem like he's looking for somebody to blame, specifically, active and contributive players, such as Campy, who has contributed quite a bit, and also, it seems, everyone who accuses him or questions his alignment in some slight way which is not intended to be noticed, I think, but to build doubt towards their alignment. He has only spoken when called out, which a veteran, strong player normally should not do, finally, there is his opinion on vig shots, shooting a placeholder vote is an incredibly stupid idea, and makes us waste town aligned kill power that can be used when we have more evidence

perhaps u can give me a masterclass on the proper way to behave when accused. maybe i should scream and shout like elise? or maybe, you know, i should bring other suspects into the spotlight. i also cant see how campy has been especially active and contributive, especially when she admitted to being "a huge lurker". u also seem to be catching the self-contradictory virus that appears to be going around. on one hand u attack me for going after active players, and then on the other hand u attack me for going after placeholder voters.

so wat about alise and trundle? u still suspicious of them?
 
perhaps u can give me a masterclass on the proper way to behave when accused. maybe i should scream and shout like elise? or maybe, you know, i should bring other suspects into the spotlight. i also cant see how campy has been especially active and contributive, especially when she admitted to being "a huge lurker". u also seem to be catching the self-contradictory virus that appears to be going around. on one hand u attack me for going after active players, and then on the other hand u attack me for going after placeholder voters.

so wat about alise and trundle? u still suspicious of them?

Well, Campycertainly has contributed more then you overall when you look through her post filter, and yes, I am catching the self-contradictory virus that you say I have, because you know what? IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF TWO OPPOSITE THINGS AND MAKE SENSE IF THEY HAVE DONE THOSE TWO OPPOSITE THINGS. I'm still suspicious of Trundle and Alise, but both are considerably less suspicious to me then you are. I'm really stressed out right now because doing this while getting ready for school
 
Well, Campycertainly has contributed more then you overall when you look through her post filter, and yes, I am catching the self-contradictory virus that you say I have, because you know what? IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF TWO OPPOSITE THINGS AND MAKE SENSE IF THEY HAVE DONE THOSE TWO OPPOSITE THINGS. I'm still suspicious of Trundle and Alise, but both are considerably less suspicious to me then you are. I'm really stressed out right now because doing this while getting ready for school

eh not really, all she has done is cast votes without solid reasons and restated her suspicions on alise. also u and many other people need to stop with the excuses. how is admitting ur posting when stressed going to convince others to listen to u?
 
I'm honestly still not sure about Karla. Like what gamora said, his posts don't seem like they're trolly on purpose, and personally if Karla is posting when he's busy and disinterested that says something. But he still gives me a scummy vibe and I don't suspect anyone more than him. It sucks that my timezone conflicts with when today ends so I can't really catch up before someone is lynched, but I'm going to vote for him before I forget to.
 
why do u care what someone thinks about u? u dont know their alignment so u cant attach any meaning to what they say about you. that sort of question only brings value to u if u have the information advantage. ie you know their alignment. so the question again is, why are u asking?
I like to know what people think of me so I can try to improve in future.
 
I'm honestly still not sure about Karla. Like what gamora said, his posts don't seem like they're trolly on purpose, and personally if Karla is posting when he's busy and disinterested that says something. But he still gives me a scummy vibe and I don't suspect anyone more than him. It sucks that my timezone conflicts with when today ends so I can't really catch up before someone is lynched, but I'm going to vote for him before I forget to.

way to try and absolve urself of any responsibility when people start picking apart the people who voted me
 
I don't really agree with lynching Karla. He's not exactly playing the same but he IS contributing. His mind seems to be on future games as well as this one and he just seems like he's ticked off because of inactives, and spineless Town.

If he is a fool then we're all doing him a favor.
 
I've already stated my reason for not voting Karla. I aced my vote on Alise. All she's done is point fingers say she contributes later but doesn't.

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I'm not sure about Karla tbh. He doesn't stand out to me. At the moment, Ryan stands out, mainly for his inability to read and he's kinda making people slave, like to find posts for him to respond to (understand?). But, then Ryan always stands out so I don't really have anyone.
 
I do believe that Karla is in a bit of a bind with how he has posted so far, being that most of his posts have not been of the upmost quality, though they still have some validity to them. A lot of his posts are looking into what people say and picking them apart, which only means that he knows what he is doing and probably isn't doing anything blindly. I really believe that he is fully aware of the game, no doubt. He does present possible suspects and with good reason to lynch them, but when it comes to when he is put up for lynching, he doesn't give much of a defense, just brings up other people. I've noticed his violence has been toned down a bit, just a thought. The only thing I'm looking for from him is a defense for himself. Why should we not lynch him? Because even though he points others out for suspicion, if we don't lynch him today, there might be another day for him to be up for lynching. And, all of this will be taken into account.

Right now, I am leaning towards Karla to vote for, but I'm not fully convinced yet. I do suggest we look into alise a bit more as well as zigzag (though he will probably have something later, seeing as though he has school).
 
Either way it's not likely in this size game there are any more third party so I'm assuming Sataric was that killer of Minties. Please don't claim, even in the tags.
I don't think he killed Minties. As was pointed out earlier, his role PM states that people die instantly, but she died at the beginning of night 1 and hadn't posted in a while before that. Also, if there hadn't been any more third party players, wouldn't that be mentioned in the OP? It still says ??/?? left. But correct me if I'm wrong here.

i have never been lynched in tbt mafia and dont intend to start now. voting campy for the reason i gave above. discuss away.
Your reason being I didn't take a solid stance on my vote for alise? Is that all it takes for you to find someone scummy/want to get them lynched? I'm sorry, but I kind of expected more from you. :( I may not be your top town read, but I have a hard time believing I'm your top scum read, as well. Why exactly are you voting for me?

I'm willing to believe Ryan's claim for now. At the very least, I don't think he's lying about his pony's name, mainly because of this post:
i just saw that. Why couldn't i get a different pony?
I just find it so like him to seriously be bothered by something like this. If it were a fake claim, I don't think he would care since he'd actually be a different pony. And I also can't imagine Snails being a scum member pony, since he just.. doesn't seem evil enough for that.

I'm also still really wary of alise. You got super angry over people calling you out and suspecting you, and you take your sweet time replying to them in all caps, but as soon as people stop talking about you, you just disappear. I think you're either a townie who honestly wants to play (and if this is the case I'm expecting to see you contribute something later today, since you said your activity increases on day 2), or you're scum who's just trying to make sure you don't get lynched, only to then sneak back into the shadows again.

The rest of my suspicions are just gut feelings, but I don't feel comfortable posting them without any kind of evidence, so I'll be digging in some posts later.
 
I'm not sure about Karla tbh. He doesn't stand out to me. At the moment, Ryan stands out, mainly for his inability to read and he's kinda making people slave, like to find posts for him to respond to (understand?). But, then Ryan always stands out so I don't really have anyone.

So basically you miss out some of the information we have on Ryan so far, mix in my post to him(he is yet to reply to) and then add a dash of his normal play style. Great job there, 100%.
 
im not defending myself in the literal sense because it doesnt get us anywhere. how many times has an entire day been spent grilling someone who only answers the points that are raised about themselves? well at that stage u may as well lynch them because u spent the whole day talking about one person.

also the only arguments against me are that i am posting differently and that i am somehow trolling. nobody actually questions what i said, only how i said. well except for lauren who actually asked about my random lynch suggestion. on that note lauren, what were the two reasons u were thinking?

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Your reason being I didn't take a solid stance on my vote for alise? Is that all it takes for you to find someone scummy/want to get them lynched? I'm sorry, but I kind of expected more from you. :( I may not be your top town read, but I have a hard time believing I'm your top scum read, as well. Why exactly are you voting for me?

yes, u should be confident and assertive with a vote, for many reasons. half assing a vote is scummy as hell
 
Since Sataric's PM said the player he chose to curse would die instantaneously when they spoke the word he had chosen, I don't see why people are saying 'he must be the only day killer/only third party!'. This suggests that the cursed player would die like a death from a gun given by a gunsmith in a separate post, not by the end of the day. Most games of this size have more than one third party, that is not uncommon at all. Have a look through Sataric's posts again. He asked Karla about playstyles for people as town or scum multiple times. That clearly says to me that he cursed Karla and wanted him to say town as the four letter word, as Karla did mention the word scum in Day 1, but he never said town. Not once did he question Minties in any way like this, it simply doesn't match up with what he needed to do with his role. Both Trundle and Sumemr have disregarded this and are saying Sataric definitely killed Minties, and that there won't be any other day killers. This is very strange and somewhat suspicious if they bothered to do some research into Sataric's Day 1 posts, knowing he would be baiting someone. Based on this I believe there is still a daykiller in play. If anyone can argue against that, please do, but I don't see it after this analysis at all.

I have mentioned before that I am definitely wary of Karla. However, now that many people have voted to lynch him and some of those players also come off as scummy, I am having second thoughts. Karla also finds Campy scummy which I definitely agree with.

I know for a fact that Sataric was talking to Campy and implied strongly that he suspected her. (And yes, before anyone is like 'how do you trust what Sataric said was right he was third party lol!!!', I knew he was third party in the first place. I spoke to him in a skype call because I knew there was something off about him, and I got that info out of him. He told me he wanted to work with town. I said that was fine, but I would not hesitate to put him up for lynch if he stepped out of line in any way. Now I don't really have to worry about that since he's dead, but yeah.) Since he was clear about that, it's very possible she might have suggested him for a kill to her scum team if she couldn't deal with that pressure. The role Campy claimed to Sataric also doesn't add up to how she's playing. She is playing very poorly if that's her real role. She hasn't even posted in the past 24 hours - not really useful when we have 24 hour days and nights. Her posts don't add anything new to the table and she is generally just agreeing with others. This post kind of threw me off as well:

Female and yes, this is my first game. :lemon:


Yep, I can understand you calling me out on this. I'm a huge lurker, I'll admit. As for your theory: It seems extremely unlikely to me, but even if it were true, it's not like it'll happen again since no one's going to be voting for Cory anymore. He's already proven to be unlynchable, so there's no merit in trying again.

Personally, I'm still very wary of Alise. You can keep saying you're never that active on day and night 1, but earlier today you spent well over half an hour arguing with Feloreena when you could have used that time to actually contribute something.

And if there's one person who I feel is definitely town, it's C r y s t a l, and mainly because of this quote:

Just the fact that she(?) wasn't entirely sure if she could get modkilled for posting that makes me think she's town. I don't think scum would ever take that risk.

Also, does anyone have any idea what kind of third party we're dealing with here? A serial killer? A cult? Could there be a third party role that can kill during the day?

As town you should be trying to get information from others since you are in the dark about roles, not just lurking and popping up when called out. Again, not really much contribution in the post - one player she's wary of and one she thinks is town. Well there were 19 players alive at that point, I'm sure a lot more could be said. Also how does one get modkilled for posting a wiki link? I thought that Crystal was joking with that comment in the first place, so it seems weird to use as a 'strongest town read'. Then she completely switches the topic to third party. Night wasn't even over yet, so how could we even speculate that? It just felt like a random change of subject to get people off her back, with absolutely 0 substance.

There's also the fact that Dolby is defending her which throws me off as well. Campy's posts do not have solid contributions like he seems to say, especially compared to many other players, and she is certainly not an active player in this game. Dolby has just been following any lynch target that's been brought up and being inactive otherwise. I just don't trust him at all, and his defense of Campy makes him and her look even worse to me.

My vote will be going on Campy today unless I can be persuaded otherwise - I will be busy this evening but I will check in whenever I can if possible.

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Well she posted now, but it still doesn't change my thoughts in the post. :)
 
I know for a fact that Sataric was talking to Campy and implied strongly that he suspected her. (And yes, before anyone is like 'how do you trust what Sataric said was right he was third party lol!!!', I knew he was third party in the first place. I spoke to him in a skype call because I knew there was something off about him, and I got that info out of him. He told me he wanted to work with town. I said that was fine, but I would not hesitate to put him up for lynch if he stepped out of line in any way. Now I don't really have to worry about that since he's dead, but yeah.) Since he was clear about that, it's very possible she might have suggested him for a kill to her scum team if she couldn't deal with that pressure. The role Campy claimed to Sataric also doesn't add up to how she's playing. She is playing very poorly if that's her real role. She hasn't even posted in the past 24 hours - not really useful when we have 24 hour days and nights. Her posts don't add anything new to the table and she is generally just agreeing with others. This post kind of threw me off as well:
interesting
ok
u say u knew he was third party, did u know about his actual role, or just that he was third party? in what way did he imply strongly that he suspected campy? can u copy & paste the text from ur skype chat?
 
interesting
ok
u say u knew he was third party, did u know about his actual role, or just that he was third party? in what way did he imply strongly that he suspected campy? can u copy & paste the text from ur skype chat?

I knew his pony and role name. He didn't tell me his cursing role, said he had some role where whoever visits him dies, but that he had to kill four people. I guess he wanted to stop any power roles 'wasting' something on him and it would help him meet his win condition since he needed to survive to curse.

I don't have full text of conversations cause I talked a lot in voice. Here's a PM from him:

Sataric said:
I feel that I may have publicly spoken out against Karla too much for him to want to kill me at night if scum, since it would add suspicion onto him. However, it's possible that if Mafia has a roleblocker or something, they'll send them onto me, which would be nice. I did bait Campy a bit so we'll see what comes of that. Mostly she just appeared to be slightly offended. >_< And Dolby is only looking more and more shady. I think we may want to vote for him soon. He's dangerous if left in the game for long. He'll figure out who's blue.

Conversation from skype leading from Sataric saying he had PMed Minties and Campy at that moment in time:

[15/09/2014 17:07:23] Frances: You don't trust Minties or Campy then?
[15/09/2014 17:07:39] Markus / Sataric: Not fully, no.
[15/09/2014 17:08:13] Markus / Sataric: Minties seems a bit less shady in PMs but..
[15/09/2014 17:08:23] Markus / Sataric: She's being all like "I am wary about you!"ish..
[15/09/2014 17:08:30] Markus / Sataric: Which may just mean that she has stuff to hide, you know?
[15/09/2014 17:08:56] Frances: Yeah. She knows what you are like though. :p
[15/09/2014 17:09:16] Frances: And Campy? I thought she would roleclaim to you instantly. :p
[15/09/2014 17:09:46] Markus / Sataric: Yeah, she kind of did.
[15/09/2014 17:10:11] Markus / Sataric: But you know, I think all scum have safeclaims. Let me explain why..
[15/09/2014 17:10:20] Frances: Did you roleclaim to her?
[15/09/2014 17:10:36] Markus / Sataric: You know the first post, in which everyone died, that is in observers? The Mafia horse was called some kind of "changeling".
[15/09/2014 17:10:54] Markus / Sataric: That makes it seem to me like they will all have regular pony names as their safeclaim. Right?
[15/09/2014 17:11:16] Frances: Yes, and it's closed set up. Seems like 9 times out of 10 they get safeclaims.
[15/09/2014 17:11:40] Markus / Sataric: Yes, so I think Campy just gave me the safeclaim. I will keep an eye on her and hope she slips.

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Oh, I forgot to remove my full name in all the quotes. Lol.
 
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