If someone else claimed Doc D1 to prove Aron wrong they would be torn to shreds more than he was.
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wow I actually hate how many people are focusing on Aron right now. I don?t even care what he says, we aren?t lynching him. and people are tunneling him and I hate it. if he?s the doc he?ll die in the next two days. if he doesn?t die then he will be top sus. this is ez, and our only choice, don?t make it hard
soooo awright
first of all you should probs understand that ATE (appeal to emotion) is not only used by scum and is not a perfectly reliable alignment tell. I personally think that good town ATE is hard to fake, and actually it?s really easily to see when it?s forced. so ATE is yummy. unless it?s whiny ?omigod u all suck? ATE. in that case it?s probably just noob ATE. so don?t just assume that it?s always an alignment tell, if anything it will say the most about someones experience.
so you have to be careful with things like this.
*I went after Ness as a reaction test. I think that Ness tends to crack easily under pressure, so I pushed him a little. Basically I got no reaction due to him having personal stuff so he can?t deal with the game rn, and that?s ok. I kind of town read him for that, actually. I would assume that if he was scum he would?ve at least taken two mins to make a quick response. It?s not a strong read, but it?s like a one day pass read.
ye let?s talk about Alexi actually. so she thinks that both me and Ness are sus, which is ironic considering I?m the one that first pushed Ness. so by this logic, Alexi thinks I?m bussing my partner starting from only hours into D1. lol wat
mmmmk. that first line seems forced. the way that you say ?oh my god? and then "@ aron - you claimed.? is really awkwardly phrased.
also he obviously realized he messed up, and tried to take it back, but you didn?t let him. that part wasn?t scummy of him, it was scummy of you, for forcing him to keep his claim.
this makes no sense
why would a townie claim doctor
why do you townread him but continue to call him scummy
why do you think there?s the same odds as there is as him being doc as there is him being scum
>sus is gone
>thinks that he?s 80% not the doctor????
>then calls him the doc
>?it?s been established that voting our doc is stupid, but I think meows sus for her intense post about NOT voting the doc"
>admits that Ness is usually actives
>realizes that Ness could have irl things going on
>still thinks Ness is scum
lol ok
so contradicting. Alexi KNOWS it?s a bad idea to lynch doc claim. Alexi says he?s 80% town?? so basically she thinks he?s lying about being doc but is still town. much logic. but then she goes on to say that everything he says is scummy??
this is really misinterpreting what I said, we AREN?T lynching him. the end. maybe I should have been more clear on my reasoning: if he doesn?t die soon he is basically confirmed scum. tunneling him or jumping on that bandwagon is, not only really really useless but it's pretty scummy in my opinion.
oh and your reads do help, Alexi? they actually make no sense. you think I?m partners with Ness, and that I was bussing him literally a couple hours into gamestart. yes. ok. I actually think Alexi just jumped on the Ness bandwagon, because it was easy to. I mean, since I thought ?ness was sus? and so did Xine too. Then she could just sheep us, but my Ness push was a reaction test and it was pretty obvious (someone literally said that it was a test, and I think it was Daniel) so it's kind of weird that she seemed to ignore that.
all I wana say right now is, shiida, you have a really good point with m3ow. I'm not saying m3ow is scum but I didn't like how she basically told us all to get off Aron and that he made a mistake bla bla. I already had said my opinions towards him weere 60% town, 20% scum, 20% doctor, but then she said that it was like I had to be 100% believed he was town or i was scum.
>hasn?t formed her a single read of her own all game
Alexi, normally you?re an easy townread, but damn you?re all over the place.
soooo awright
first of all you should probs understand that ATE (appeal to emotion) is not only used by scum and is not a perfectly reliable alignment tell. I personally think that good town ATE is hard to fake, and actually it?s really easily to see when it?s forced. so ATE is yummy. unless it?s whiny ?omigod u all suck? ATE. in that case it?s probably just noob ATE. so don?t just assume that it?s always an alignment tell, if anything it will say the most about someones experience.
so you have to be careful with things like this.
*I went after Ness as a reaction test. I think that Ness tends to crack easily under pressure, so I pushed him a little. Basically I got no reaction due to him having personal stuff so he can?t deal with the game rn, and that?s ok. I kind of town read him for that, actually. I would assume that if he was scum he would?ve at least taken two mins to make a quick response. It?s not a strong read, but it?s like a one day pass read.
ye let?s talk about Alexi actually. so she thinks that both me and Ness are sus, which is ironic considering I?m the one that first pushed Ness. so by this logic, Alexi thinks I?m bussing my partner starting from only hours into D1. lol wat
mmmmk. that first line seems forced. the way that you say ?oh my god? and then "@ aron - you claimed.? is really awkwardly phrased.
also he obviously realized he messed up, and tried to take it back, but you didn?t let him. that part wasn?t scummy of him, it was scummy of you, for forcing him to keep his claim.
this makes no sense
why would a townie claim doctor
why do you townread him but continue to call him scummy
why do you think there?s the same odds as there is as him being doc as there is him being scum
>sus is gone
>thinks that he?s 80% not the doctor????
>then calls him the doc
>?it?s been established that voting our doc is stupid, but I think meows sus for her intense post about NOT voting the doc"
>admits that Ness is usually actives
>realizes that Ness could have irl things going on
>still thinks Ness is scum
lol ok
so contradicting. Alexi KNOWS it?s a bad idea to lynch doc claim. Alexi says he?s 80% town?? so basically she thinks he?s lying about being doc but is still town. much logic. but then she goes on to say that everything he says is scummy??
this is really misinterpreting what I said, we AREN?T lynching him. the end. maybe I should have been more clear on my reasoning: if he doesn?t die soon he is basically confirmed scum. tunneling him or jumping on that bandwagon is, not only really really useless but it's pretty scummy in my opinion.
oh and your reads do help, Alexi? they actually make no sense. you think I?m partners with Ness, and that I was bussing him literally a couple hours into gamestart. yes. ok. I actually think Alexi just jumped on the Ness bandwagon, because it was easy to. I mean, since I thought ?ness was sus? and so did Xine too. Then she could just sheep us, but my Ness push was a reaction test and it was pretty obvious (someone literally said that it was a test, and I think it was Daniel) so it's kind of weird that she seemed to ignore that.
if you are actually town don?t let ANYONE influence your scumreads unless they have a solid case, this is very very bad
all I wana say right now is, shiida, you have a really good point with m3ow. I'm not saying m3ow is scum but I didn't like how she basically told us all to get off Aron and that he made a mistake bla bla. I already had said my opinions towards him weere 60% town, 20% scum, 20% doctor, but then she said that it was like I had to be 100% believed he was town or i was scum.
>accuses Aron, the noob, of coasting
>hasn?t formed her a single read of her own all game
Alexi, normally you?re an easy townread, but damn you?re all over the place.
Thats basically the difficulty we're having atm. Either he is the doctor & messed up. Or he's scum and claimed doctor so he wouldn't get lynched.
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aaahhh m3ow ninja'd me. reading
omgg hahahha i messed up one of my quotes ok- after i say that "don't let any1 influence ur scumreads without a case"
it's supposed to be:
and my sentence is:
"so basically, Alexi has not formed a single read on her own. she agreed with me + Xine about Ness, then when people started calling me sus (shiida and I forgot who else) suddenly I’m her top scumread next to Ness."
it's supposed to be:
and my sentence is:
"so basically, Alexi has not formed a single read on her own. she agreed with me + Xine about Ness, then when people started calling me sus (shiida and I forgot who else) suddenly I’m her top scumread next to Ness."
I would for now say he is doctor, he seems to honestly be trying to help, and role calling so early would lead to some remorse that he is showing. For now I don't think my targets are going to be as set on him. I agree with me_ow he is no threat and will die once night comes because of his claim
Yeah, & I admit now that AtE doesn't always mean scum. That was ignorance, since this is still only my 4th game (3rd if tarot doesn't count)
Like I posted this morning, and came to realize = emotions from IRL can be very very different than scum tactic emotions. Regardless of his emotions, he still said things pretty scummy towards town like "or im ****ing with your minds" etc.
No, I don't think that. I'm just pointing out things that have been sus. Whether the fact that you thought ness was sus or not, has no relation to the fact that I think you both have said suspicious things. If I thought you were bussing ness, I would've made that clear (like my read on Tom in tarot)
This just seems like you took it out of context. Did you read everyones reactions after he claimed?
It is contradicting, because with what Aron's done so far since his claim as doctor - it has me all over the place. Townie (who is also VERY new at this kind of forum mafia) would claim doctor on their first day because he had like 2-3 people reaction testing him so he freaked. Nobody would lynch a doctor. He even says this in the quotes I put below.
Also you said that I townread him, but I never did 100%. My slight sus of him was always there- because of the comments he made. like:
So, really. Can you see why Aron has thrown me off COMPLETELY for reading him? I put him as "I really don't know" in my final read because one minute he says something scummy, the next minute he doesn't.
Okay, fair enough. When put this way I actually do agree because I think it's clear I'm not voting for him and trying to find another possible lynch.
To the rest of this, I think I already explained it. Like with you and ness, never did I say or think you were bussing ness.
I did form very very small reads this morning (which some still have yet to do) but I'm still trying to get a solid, single one going. I haven't voted yet, and on day 1 I always have a difficult time getting a good case, so this is still something I'm trying to improve on. but as you said I'm not going to read someones case and have it influence who I think is scum & end up voting for.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Ok ok Alexi.
You had a problem when I asked this:
Yet when shiida asks, you're fine!?
The hell @everyone who said I was suspicious for doing the same thing. You guys are on my scum radar now.
Anyway, my role is living.
yeah I did say it was weird and "scummy" but
that ^ made me go back to when aron claimed and what you actually said. and i replied with this:
So really thats just horrible reading on my account (and just realized I typo'd there. it should be *AND I do understand why you both reacted the way you did).
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Also I retract my scumread on m3ow. Her posts with Ness was what kinda made me feel eh, but I really like that last post of hers.
Also, mafia likely aren't idiots. You guys realize that if town would lynch their doc D2 if he wasn't killed, mafia sure as hell wouldn't kill Doc N1 so town would waste their lynch sooooo.
Also, mafia likely aren't idiots. You guys realize that if town would lynch their doc D2 if he wasn't killed, mafia sure as hell wouldn't kill Doc N1 so town would waste their lynch sooooo.
Aronthaer
Back from Hiatus (3/18/22)
Sorry for the long absence, my laptop died.
Here's my honest assessment: I have no idea who's scum and who isn't. I'm coasting on the ideas of others because you seem to expect information from me I just don't have. I want to be helpful but honestly I have 0 idea who's scum and who isn't. So when I'm constantly pressured to reveal information on my leads, I went with what I deemed most likely based on general consensus. Having only played party mafia, I don't know how mafia in this game is supposed to act, and what would be a telltale sign that they're scum. So when you try to wring answers out of me when I have none, of course I'm just going to paraphrase others. I'm really sorry for screwing this game up, and I hope you guys can forgive me and don't resent me for the poor decisions I've made so far. You're all awesome people and I don't want to be seen as stupid or hated because of what I've done this game.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
No, Alexi. You said this:
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Oh wait nvm I misread your post.
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What did you think I said then Alexi?
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(if you guys can't tell, my blood's boiling and I'm in the mood to fight lmao)
There's obviously a clear difference between the two reactions. You batted an eye here, whereas when shiia said the same thing, you didn't.
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Oh wait nvm I misread your post.
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What did you think I said then Alexi?
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Haha you're fine! So you think everyone is equally innocent/guilty, right? Just clarifying.
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What's your thoughts on my original accusation of you?
(if you guys can't tell, my blood's boiling and I'm in the mood to fight lmao)
Aronthaer
Back from Hiatus (3/18/22)
Well, obviously some of you are scum, but at the moment I have no reads and trust- and distrust- each of you equally.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Hm, well say we were in a party mafia game currently. How would you try to find who's scum and who's town?
*Megalovania intensifies because of your sig*
Aronthaer
Back from Hiatus (3/18/22)
I've actually never played Undertale, I just did it for the meme. However, I'm not objected to trying it some time.
You see, at a game of Party Mafia, I primarily go off of facial expresions. Fidgeting, avoiding eye contact, being unusually silent, etc. However, obviously that isn't going to work for this. I also go off of how they're speaking: If someone's unusually silent and normally talks a ton, I'd be suspicious. that could work, but I have no idea whether any of you are being unusually talkative or silent or always act this way because this is my first game. Poor decisions that would benefit scum more than town is really all I have to go on, and that's an issue because no one's accomplishing anything or coming to any sort of decision or consensus. We're just yelling and screaming at each other.
No more undertales pls
Party Mafia is just random guesses in my experience. This actually requires skill (and a pinch of luck (oath)) to be good at
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I think m3ows case of Alexi is good. She has some good points. I also feel like Alexi is trying to pocket me a little
Party Mafia is just random guesses in my experience. This actually requires skill (and a pinch of luck (oath)) to be good at
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I think m3ows case of Alexi is good. She has some good points. I also feel like Alexi is trying to pocket me a little
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
The "unusually silent when they're usually talkative" bit is something called meta here. I know some of the best players on here goes through peoples' past games to see how they play and if it lines up with their current play.
I'm not sure if I agree with you on the yelling and screaming thing, though. You think meow and toads' big reads pushing someone doesn't have more town motivation than scum motivation?
Aronthaer
Back from Hiatus (3/18/22)
Noot looking to start a fight or get off-topic here, but have you played party mafia lmao. Party mafia is based on making assessments of people as quickly as possible, whereas this is a long-drawn out battle of analyzing. They're different worlds, but if party mafia is just random guesses for you you're playing wrong haha
Now, back on topic.
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I guess that's fair. but I swear 80% of our time was wasted talking about trolls and my stupidity.
I was suspicious of _M3ow at first but she seems genuine. using my own honest assessment, I still have no strong townreads, but if something doesn't come up soon I'll probably go with Alexi. _M3ow's paragraph was very well organized and brought up a lot of valid points.
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And I wish I knew more about some of the player's meta here. but since each Mafia game has several thousand posts, I realistically can't find enough information to be helpful from past games.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Alright. Now to talk about the people focusing you. Do you think honing in on you was a town motivated move or a scum motivated one?
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Oh, do you know about being able to put users in isolation? You can go to the "search thread" option at the top, search someone's name, and then all of their posts come up. You can get a good feel of how they typically post that way, I've found.Aron said:
Aronthaer
Back from Hiatus (3/18/22)
Agreed.
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I believe that people had good intentions to go after me. The way I see it, role claimin would be something only noob scum or a noob doctor would do, and so of course it was logical for them to get suspicious.
As for the "search thread" thing, no, I didn't know about that. That's immensely helpful, thank you.
