Mafia TBT Mafia: Attack on Titan - [Game Over/Town Wins]

This game as been so interesting and had me in such a fuss. So thank you all for putting up with my terrible game play, can't wait for you to read mafia chat Good luck my scum buddies, please kill everyone for me and to town, please die for a friend <3
I would say more about how hard this game was for me but I dont wanna be a buzz kill. Sorry again for being a terrible scum and fake town, I hope you will forgive me for it.

Cadbberry said:

Here is my will-
Trundle/Bingo
taesaek
Entropy
Dolby
Tardis2016
Miharu
Kevinnn
Wild Blue Yonder
Oath
Alexi
Ashtot
Cory
Heyden
Shiida
Crys/Bango
Sataric
ClamEatsCurry


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Cadbberry's will

Looking back through her previous activity in the thread it seems that it is trying to fit with the current circumstances considering that she was throwing a bit of shade at Tardis earlier. Given her switch from Ashtot to Hayden in the final hour of the Day One lynch, I'm townlocking Hayden for the moment.

This is her previous reads post, made during day two

Cadbberry said:

I am filtering my self, I am filtering my little thoughts, in my previous games I posted a lot of everything in my head, relevant or not, this game I am trying to edit my self to only saying what I think are relevant and will move the game.
Trundle/Bingo
taesaek
Entropy
Dolby
Ashtot
Sataric
Ayaya
ClamEatsCurry
Kevinnn
Wild Blue Yonder
Alexi
Cory
Shiida
Miharu- Cant decide how I feel on you, not null but not either side, just a full up blend of town read and sus
Call Me Daniel
Crys/Bango
Tardis2016 - Opinions jumpy and though they said they were town at start they just have been all over the place
Heyden- Everything seems off and sporadic with them, some times a good call outs other times just ****posting, like they are trying to cover up their behavior from seeming scummy at the start.

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There are some things that we can get from this post. Clam turning from null to her top scumread. Heyden becoming merely sus, as well as Sataric going from town lean to a sus, being almost at the bottom.

Cadbberry argued for the existence of two vigs throughout the game, which I don't know how to take since I don't say a scum!tardis and I was townreading tae before their claim. They also had to reason, if mafia, to claim a directly testable role to counter Tardis, while it looked like Daniel was going to be lynched

I definetely want Trundle to shoot someone tonight

Cadbberry said:

This game as been so interesting and had me in such a fuss. So thank you all for putting up with my terrible game play, can't wait for you to read mafia chat Good luck my scum buddies, please kill everyone for me and to town, please die for a friend <3
I would say more about how hard this game was for me but I dont wanna be a buzz kill. Sorry again for being a terrible scum and fake town, I hope you will forgive me for it.

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It was nice seeing you as scum and it was your first time being a scum.

i personally am highly sus of curry and tae.
also as for tardis is he definitely clear?? like maf didn't sacrifice cad for the greater good or something?

shiida and Hayden and curry to a lesser extent look good from that flip imo

why would cad say she was protected (that's what someone told me she said) if she knew that would out her as scum? that's kinda why im still having trouble trusting tardis so if someone could explain that'd be great thx.

shiida said:

why would cad say she was protected (that's what someone told me she said) if she knew that would out her as scum? that's kinda why im still having trouble trusting tardis so if someone could explain that'd be great thx.

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Probably as an attempt to save her skin. Tardis shoots her and she is protected by the doc. She lies and says that she wasn't protected, Tardis is lynched and flips vig, then the whole town knows that Cad lied about being saved and occam's razor says that she is mafia saved by the doc. By claiming protected now, she gained the protection of plausible deniability

shiida said:

i personally am highly sus of curry and tae.
also as for tardis is he definitely clear?? like maf didn't sacrifice cad for the greater good or something?

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How does cad flipping red make me more sus? She called me scum because of my lack of activity and filler/poor quality posts and then literally piggybacked my wording on why I was sus of entropy.

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Which is a major contradiction if my posts are so poor quality and filler.

Cadbberry said:

This game as been so interesting and had me in such a fuss. So thank you all for putting up with my terrible game play, can't wait for you to read mafia chat Good luck my scum buddies, please kill everyone for me and to town, please die for a friend <3
I would say more about how hard this game was for me but I dont wanna be a buzz kill. Sorry again for being a terrible scum and fake town, I hope you will forgive me for it.

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hmm, wondering what this could've meant.

Miharu said:

Why isn't anyone suspecting me??? SJFDKLSFJSL please just roast/insult me for my stupidity :') I just feel so frustrated right now.

Let me just hide under a rock forever omfg sjfdslkfjlsk

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It's okay - People make mistakes sometimes. Don't feel bad about forming your own opinion on something.

I think that one of the two Vig claims simply isn't true, and the fact that she (Cad) has Tae on such a strong town-read on both of her lists might mean something. Pretty certain that either Tae or Tardis is lying, at least. Also I think that the fact that she had Ayaya as Town-read and Oath as null is something to keep in mind as I find them very suspicious.

Regarding my earlier scum reads which I stated when talking to Dolby:

Sataric said:

You are wrong about me, but I think you're right about Cadbberry. Other than that, I'm almost certain that majority of the remaining scum is hiding within this list:

Alexi.
Oath2Order.
Tardis or Tae.
Curry.

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It seems the most likely that I might have been wrong about Curry. I need to look into that in further detail. The other names remain unchanged though, for now.

By the way, I want to state openly that the only reason I wasn't more suspicious of Cadbberry on day 2 was because I honestly thought that asking a fake question to the game host would get you mod-killed - It's a the very least a borderline rule violation and I think I would have had a hard time tolerating it if I was in Minties position. I do not want to rustle any feathers by speaking of this in further detail, however. I respect the decision that was made. That said, I hope we can all refrain from using such cheap tactics in the future. Thanks.

Kevinnn said:

I did. The problem was not choosing Tom haha



Alexi
ClamEatsCurry
Cory
Cadbberry
Call Me Daniel
Entropy
Bango/Crys i have no idea how to read you istg
Tardis2016
Dolby
Heyden
taesaek
Trundle
Ashtot
Sataric
Ayaya
Kevinnn o..
Wild Blue Yonder
Shiida
Miharu

And I know someone said already, but I think Arstotzkan being killed shows them being on the right track with any reads/points that were posted. They were the last I expected to die as there were others who stood out more imo.

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Kevinnn said:

Cad you literally echoed what Heyden said.

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Kevinnn said:

Well, my read on you had a lot to do with Ashtot, so that'll dim down a bit.
Also, I'm sort of leaning on voting for Cadberry, high sus of them.
I genuinely don't like their style of play, paraphrasing a lot of what others have to say right after, whether it's questioning Trundler's inspection minutes after Tae did, town leaning Miharu after Entropy said so, down to echoing Heyden about Tardis' play style.
And not to mention



This was sort of why I was split with town/scum lean, but I'm thinking high sus for them now.

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Kevinnn said:

And now Cad claimed

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Kevinnn said:

I'll work on it once I get off class, been pretty busy. Also, regarding Aya, I replied in another post and linked this.

I'd also like to know how Cadberry feels about the amount of votes on them.

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If this is a bus he committed to it since p early and has pushed little else, though idk who he's actually views

Not impossible because he had a poor voting history but I lean a little town for this. Thoughts?

Sataric said:

It's okay - People make mistakes sometimes. Don't feel bad about forming your own opinion on something.

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:') I think I'm calm now. LOL Thanks for replying back to my post :'D I'm just gahhhhh I have much to learn. xD
I'm just so disappointed with myself, I should have went with my suspicions on her earlier, but then I doubted myself again and went with my doubt after I re-read her last few posts defending herself. :')

Er idk if I worded that well. If he's scum bussing is advantageous because the main reason the people that suspect him do is that he voted Hayden I think

But the development of his thoughts on her seem genuine and his question towards her recently didn't seem like it was trying to capitalize on the credit for having called her out early, just trying to understand what's going on

Idk if I'm reading too much into null things but I'm worried about him being an endgame mislynch if he's town

Dolby said:

Probably as an attempt to save her skin. Tardis shoots her and she is protected by the doc. She lies and says that she wasn't protected, Tardis is lynched and flips vig, then the whole town knows that Cad lied about being saved and occam's razor says that she is mafia saved by the doc. By claiming protected now, she gained the protection of plausible deniability

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Could it be possible that Tardis and Cad are both mafia and were working together? After reading your reply here, I gave it some thought and something has been bothering me. If that's the case, wouldn't that have been her best choice to frame Tardis? If she had framed Tardis, she could have gotten rid of one of our Vigs and then get lynched afterwards. That would have been more in favor for Mafia. o:

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Ahhh but then again it wouldn't make sense for Tardis to shoot their own team mate if they were both mafia. I think I'm just overthinking it xD

Miharu said:

Could it be possible that Tardis and Cad are both mafia and were working together? After reading your reply here, I gave it some thought and something has been bothering me. If that's the case, wouldn't that have been her best choice to frame Tardis? If she had framed Tardis, she could have gotten rid of one of our Vigs and then get lynched afterwards. That would have been more in favor for Mafia. o:

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Ahhh but then again it wouldn't make sense for Tardis to shoot their own team mate if they were both mafia. I think I'm just overthinking it xD

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Well, it still is possible(as Sataric stated) that they are both scum and Cadbberry wasn't shot at all. But I think that Cad was working to save her own skin here because if she lied about the protection, after a Tardis vig flip, she'd be confirmed to be lying and anti-town

Dolby said:

Well, it still is possible(as Sataric stated) that they are both scum and Cadbberry wasn't shot at all. But I think that Cad was working to save her own skin here because if she lied about the protection, after a Tardis vig flip, she'd be confirmed to be lying and anti-town

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You don't think I'm telling the truth? I shot cad.

Kirbystarship said:

You don't think I'm telling the truth? I shot cad.

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Since you "shot Cad" but she was saved by a (Mafia) Doctor, does that mean that your shot got refunded?

wild blue yonder said:

Curry, do you have any reason beyond how the game state feels to you to suspect entropy? e.g. interactions with Tom or like any of entropy's actual posts

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You seem concerned that people will shoot you down for having unpopular reads. I don't really relate to the things you're concerned about in that big post, I guess; it's very different than how I try to understand the game. I don't understand how there's evidence in this game that the Godfather is the type of player you're describing as opposed to the archetypes that you're assigning to the mafia roles with active abilities.

Also idek if your reads are that controversial. I am totally open to discussing who I may be incorrectly townreading, but idk what to do with multiple paragraphs of nebulous wifom with logical leaps.

Can you go more into depth about your thoughts on Kevin and Tae's play?

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I thought I would get shot down partly because of my own fear of bad reads (yay wifom), and that entropy was such a strongly town read player that no one would even bother listening. Thankfully people have at least read it and considered the possibilities.

The godfather experience thing was really just a theory through process of elimination. If the people I listed originally listed fit in to their respective roles assuming I had hit the nail on the head, the likelyhood of a balanced team to me would be two newer players, two experienced ones and someone in the middle. Tom is very experienced, entropy is very experienced, Cad is newer of a player so that checks newer one, and Kevin or tae fit the same kind of mind set that I was thinking for the other fourth member. So a balanced team in my opinion would include someone with the amount of experience I mentioned. Again, Chrys and Oath made the two most likely possibilities for that slot that seemed scummy to me already. Maybe the roles are mixed up, but I still think that seems like the most promising possibility for a scum team. Now that Cad flipped red it makes me even more confident.

For the players you asked about, here's a case on tae:

Already mentioned but the "shooting Ashton" and then disappearing thing I already explained in a previous post.

If people wanna talk about filler posts, fine by me. Tae has 6 pages of posts in this thread and not even half are close to contributive. Let's look at some examples:

taesaek said:

oh my god.

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taesaek said:

cory pls eat a snickers and take a nap oh my god.

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taesaek said:

ur not a dumbass its ok meow.

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taesaek said:

because playing mafia is hard.

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taesaek said:

if you die can i marry your adoptive sister.

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And these are all on Day 1, not to even mention Day 2.

One of tae's most important quotes of her lynch candidates on Day 1 were Kat and Trundle. Funny that Kat then ended up dead on Night 1.

taesaek said:

taesaek said:

1. i haven't done much because i don't have many solid reads yet, no i guess existing as town is the most town thing i've done thus far. how sad.
2. if i'm lynch, gg town at least vig can't shoot me.
3. right now i'm mostly banking on the idea of a trundle and or kat lynch.

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Look at Kat's will after her death, she null'd tae but this paragraph of her will:

Arstokzan said:

Hello everyone! Sorry I couldn?t do much regarding the game - I?m typing this up with 45 minutes till night end and I haven?t checked thread and jesus I?m not on my game this game. Anyway, I?m not your typical kill this game, so if I die, I?d expect my death to be due to either a trigger happy Vig or a mafia-vengeful SK. If it?s the latter, I?d expect the SK to not be considered that good of a player meta wise.

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Tae got pretty aggressive with Kat's jokes/dumb ideas on Day 1 to the point on calling her the Jester, a non-obtainable role in this game. It wouldn't surprise me if tae got frustrated with Kat, knew Kat was a very good player and didn't want her to catch on to the team so they took her out early as a diversion kill to throw us off track like I said initially at the end of Night 1/start of Day 2. The experienced players on the mafia team could've agreed with this logic knowing how good Kat is, even if she wasn't trying much on Day 1. Tae was very argumentative against Kat on Day 1.

taesaek said:

i'm having flashbacks to tarot when town sheeped onto a cory bw lead by scumboy ness while cory was AWAY and unable to defend himself.

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Here tae is defending against a Tom lynch because Tom wasn't here, even though he had multiple times to defend himself, it's not like Tom was never here at all.

taesaek said:

shes got scum guidance this time. *wiggles*

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I wonder how taesaek would know this (this is about Cad).

So many things point to interactions with people who have flipped red and he also claims to have shot Ashton as a Vig, but I think it was KP, not a Vig shot. I can probably bring up more but it's past 2 AM and I want to sleep.

Kevin I'm not as certain about tbh, like you pointed out I think he may have been genuine and I don't think he would've bussed Cad so early on. That said he had a lot of strange interactions with tae, so I'd like to keep him in mind and see how he reacts to the events since he hasn't posted in a while. These other two I'm more confident in.

entropy I'll elaborate more on tomorrow since it's past 2 AM and I made this tae case. But yes, there's a few quotes that stand out to me a bit.

wild blue yonder said:

I guess you start to answer my question about behavior here but I'm not following why the "guys sheep me" attitude is alignment indicative. Does it remind you of xine who you mentioned, or do you think entropy would act differently as town, or what?

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It reminds me of Xine/a trap.

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Sataric said:

Since you "shot Cad" but she was saved by a (Mafia) Doctor, does that mean that your shot got refunded?

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No, I did not get the shot back so the shot is not refunded.

Pretty sure most of us are sus of taesaek as of right now.
not to mention he was the only one who didn't vote for cadbberry

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Miharu said:

Could it be possible that Tardis and Cad are both mafia and were working together? After reading your reply here, I gave it some thought and something has been bothering me. If that's the case, wouldn't that have been her best choice to frame Tardis? If she had framed Tardis, she could have gotten rid of one of our Vigs and then get lynched afterwards. That would have been more in favor for Mafia. o:

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Ahhh but then again it wouldn't make sense for Tardis to shoot their own team mate if they were both mafia. I think I'm just overthinking it xD

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If it doesn't make sense, what do you make of tae right now? Claiming vig to maybe get a lynch on tardis and then claim to shoot someone he already knew would die?