uwuzumakii
memento mori
Oh my gosh, I'm late!!! What did I miss?
Mafia TBT Mafia-Korean War (Cancelled)
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well it got revealed that you're mafia, any last words?
uwuzumakii
memento mori
Incorrect. I read the posts and no such points were risen.
I'll like to know your thoughts on your reads please and thanks! :3 What makes you town lean tui and Liam? o: Tui has only posted a total of 4 times and has only pretty much answered the RQS questions o: As for Liam, this is his first mafia game, and new players tends to be really hard to read at first, so how were you able to read him as town so fast? O:
As for me, aside from my grammar mistake, what makes you think I may be scum? o:
As Entropy already posted, I'll also like to know what makes you think Blu Rose is scum :3
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If you read the posts, why did you ask "what did I miss?" XD
I find it interesting that what you pointed out was that no such points were raised, not that if such a point it was raised it would be incorrect.
uwuzumakii
memento mori
I wasn't saying incorrect to the fact that I was mafia or not, I was saying incorrect to the fact that there were points risen that I was mafia. And doesn't everyone claim town, regardless of role, as a mans to protect themselves from getting lynched?
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Because prior to asking the question, I hadn't checked the posts. After posting the "what had I missed" thing, I had checked the posts. It was a waste of time on my part, and it the grand scheme, it served no purpose.
If you were town, you would've known there was no such comment in the thread prior to checking, no? That was more or less my point.
uwuzumakii
memento mori
I completely agree. I stated that my first post was just a time-waster in my last post.
Can someone please explain to me why "to the town" is a slip? Like everyone keeps bringing it up constantly but I dont get it. There are so many things that sound normal to me that people end up considering and a slip and I'm like ???
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I think it was because Ness is almost always very formal/correct with his grammar, and the one line sort of just stuck out to many. 'The town' sort of has a sense of that they aren't apart of it so I guess many people were inclined to believe it was a slip of some sort, in which it was.
i'm at home now and am currently rereading everything so here are the answers to the second set of questions + a few thoughts on some posts up to page 30. after this i'm grabbing a brew and then i'll catch up with the rest of the posts, i'm not awfully familiar with the multiquote business and didn't want to risk losing the posts i'd quoted.
What alignment did you want to be this game?Why?: town. mafia know who is town and who is mafia, i'd rather try and figure that out for myself since it's a big part of the fun in the game for me
How do you react under pressure?: i'm good at hiding the feeling that i'm pressured, so i'd probably just stay as my usual calm and collected self and try to ignore it
How active do you plan on being this game?: as active as i can be, i've got a 3 day festival this weekend though so i'm going to miss a huge chunk though i might be able to pop in if i decide to come home and shower in the mornings.
How well do you think you scumhunt(Look to find mafia)?Why?: i can't really judge that yet based on the number of games i've played, but i enjoy interrogating people and picking through posts with a fine toothcomb, so i try my best
What should we expect from your play-style this game?: nothing different from my last, i'm not afraid to ask questions and i'm not afraid to answer questions directed at me, so a very open and blunt playstyle
now, on with posts.
i know a couple of other players have already brought this up but i really don't like this attitude. in the SU newbie game this is the attitude that caused some crucial mislynches which pissed people off since if you're not going to be actively interested in the game to the point where it becomes a hindrance then you're going have an impact on everybody else's experience. your confidence may have been knocked by previous events here but if that's the case and it's still affecting you then why sign up? i imagine a lot of the other players in the game were also apart of said fiasco and they seem to have gotten over it, so i don't think it's a good enough excuse as to why you deliberately plan on being less active than usual. so, my question is, why did you sign up to the game? in a lot of your posts before the game started you say you were 'forced', but since no one can actually physically force you to play i don't feel like that is an excuse or a cover for why you're playing when you obviously would rather not.
i too am suspicious of kirby. his meta is EXACTLY the same as the SU game where he flipped mafia when he got killed on N1. a lot of short responses and questioning the roles of the mafia stood out to me - last game he started the speculation over the number of mafia in the game, and this game he's asking about the mafia again but this time over whether a particular role is present. as his meta is so similar to his last game where he flipped scum i can't help but feel a little suspicious too.
why do you trust entropy's judgement right off the bat like that? why would you trust anybody's judgement in a mafia game? entropy rose some interesting points but not being able to contribute as much as usual due to being busy =/= scum and entropy had little else to base their argument on other than that.
What alignment did you want to be this game?Why?: town. mafia know who is town and who is mafia, i'd rather try and figure that out for myself since it's a big part of the fun in the game for me
How do you react under pressure?: i'm good at hiding the feeling that i'm pressured, so i'd probably just stay as my usual calm and collected self and try to ignore it
How active do you plan on being this game?: as active as i can be, i've got a 3 day festival this weekend though so i'm going to miss a huge chunk though i might be able to pop in if i decide to come home and shower in the mornings.
How well do you think you scumhunt(Look to find mafia)?Why?: i can't really judge that yet based on the number of games i've played, but i enjoy interrogating people and picking through posts with a fine toothcomb, so i try my best
What should we expect from your play-style this game?: nothing different from my last, i'm not afraid to ask questions and i'm not afraid to answer questions directed at me, so a very open and blunt playstyle
now, on with posts.
i know a couple of other players have already brought this up but i really don't like this attitude. in the SU newbie game this is the attitude that caused some crucial mislynches which pissed people off since if you're not going to be actively interested in the game to the point where it becomes a hindrance then you're going have an impact on everybody else's experience. your confidence may have been knocked by previous events here but if that's the case and it's still affecting you then why sign up? i imagine a lot of the other players in the game were also apart of said fiasco and they seem to have gotten over it, so i don't think it's a good enough excuse as to why you deliberately plan on being less active than usual. so, my question is, why did you sign up to the game? in a lot of your posts before the game started you say you were 'forced', but since no one can actually physically force you to play i don't feel like that is an excuse or a cover for why you're playing when you obviously would rather not.
i too am suspicious of kirby. his meta is EXACTLY the same as the SU game where he flipped mafia when he got killed on N1. a lot of short responses and questioning the roles of the mafia stood out to me - last game he started the speculation over the number of mafia in the game, and this game he's asking about the mafia again but this time over whether a particular role is present. as his meta is so similar to his last game where he flipped scum i can't help but feel a little suspicious too.
why do you trust entropy's judgement right off the bat like that? why would you trust anybody's judgement in a mafia game? entropy rose some interesting points but not being able to contribute as much as usual due to being busy =/= scum and entropy had little else to base their argument on other than that.
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this has already pretty much been addressed by now but i thought i'd throw in my two cents just in case anybody is still in doubt, like Endless said miharu's grammar isn't always perfect (not being offensive obviously, it's understandable since english isn't your first language) so that to me points to it being a genuine slip up rather than a softclaim to a non-town role or a guilty slip up. miharu is also playing very similar to how she did in the SU mafia where she flipped town after being killed so there's nothing to point towards the grammar mistake not actually being a mistake atall.
the issue with the first point is that we don't know whether the king intends to go along with the purple votes. so players with blue roles could end up claiming to try and avoid a mislynch then just leaving themselves as prime bait for the mafia when the night roles around. i do like the idea of the purple votes so that the king can see where the town's suspicions lie, we just don't know whether the king likes the idea enough to go along with it.
and for your last point, i definitely think that there is at least one if not two hostile third-party roles. a serial killer seems like the obvious choice for one but for a second i was thinking along the lines of there being an executioner/assassin role present which could stir things up a bit. i certainly agree with the last part - N1 is going to be a bloodbath so it'd be a good time for blues to use their abilities but preferably not vigs gunning people up that we're not either heavily suspicious of or are certain that are mafia since the loss to town on the first night is going to be huge anyway it'd still be nice if it was kept minimal.
i believe this adds to my previous point about kirby/tardis, i think his posts are just bizarre and show apathy to the game as a whole and i'm not happy with him always declaring 'i think ____ is sus' without giving a single reason since that's exactly what he did when he flipped scum last time. i also believe the questioning of mafia roles is just him trying to hide behind trying to be helpful whilst still being able to put his minimal effort it (because lets face it, typing one line of speculation is a whole lot less work than collecting quotes, investigating and questioning people that more often than not genuine town members do in order to try and help their side). but yes, i'm definitely suspicious of kirby, and would like to see if he actually posts anything of any substance this game atall.
i'm surprised that nobody has questioned this yet. you say you hate being blue, but then say you'd like to be a doctor or a vet? forgive me if i'm wrong, but those two roles are blue roles so why say you hate them then say you'd want to play one?
this has already pretty much been addressed by now but i thought i'd throw in my two cents just in case anybody is still in doubt, like Endless said miharu's grammar isn't always perfect (not being offensive obviously, it's understandable since english isn't your first language) so that to me points to it being a genuine slip up rather than a softclaim to a non-town role or a guilty slip up. miharu is also playing very similar to how she did in the SU mafia where she flipped town after being killed so there's nothing to point towards the grammar mistake not actually being a mistake atall.
the issue with the first point is that we don't know whether the king intends to go along with the purple votes. so players with blue roles could end up claiming to try and avoid a mislynch then just leaving themselves as prime bait for the mafia when the night roles around. i do like the idea of the purple votes so that the king can see where the town's suspicions lie, we just don't know whether the king likes the idea enough to go along with it.
and for your last point, i definitely think that there is at least one if not two hostile third-party roles. a serial killer seems like the obvious choice for one but for a second i was thinking along the lines of there being an executioner/assassin role present which could stir things up a bit. i certainly agree with the last part - N1 is going to be a bloodbath so it'd be a good time for blues to use their abilities but preferably not vigs gunning people up that we're not either heavily suspicious of or are certain that are mafia since the loss to town on the first night is going to be huge anyway it'd still be nice if it was kept minimal.
i believe this adds to my previous point about kirby/tardis, i think his posts are just bizarre and show apathy to the game as a whole and i'm not happy with him always declaring 'i think ____ is sus' without giving a single reason since that's exactly what he did when he flipped scum last time. i also believe the questioning of mafia roles is just him trying to hide behind trying to be helpful whilst still being able to put his minimal effort it (because lets face it, typing one line of speculation is a whole lot less work than collecting quotes, investigating and questioning people that more often than not genuine town members do in order to try and help their side). but yes, i'm definitely suspicious of kirby, and would like to see if he actually posts anything of any substance this game atall.
i'm surprised that nobody has questioned this yet. you say you hate being blue, but then say you'd like to be a doctor or a vet? forgive me if i'm wrong, but those two roles are blue roles so why say you hate them then say you'd want to play one?
Can't wait to read this, wonder how long it will take me to read one line!
Can you explain some of your town reads though? Are you town reading them because they're new or is there some other reason? Both of them haven't been around all that much, so it seems a bit weird. Seconding for wanting some Blu Rose explanation because you ignored Entropy asking for more info.
Basically he was distancing himself from town with his words. I always get really suspicious of players that use that sort of language "helping you guys" "I want to be useful to THE town" because it creates a sense of space between the player and the town. If you're town, then why would you say THE town? It doesn't make sense. In Ness' case though, his reaction to questioning after really didn't help out his case because he became overwhelmingly emotional.
@Entropy that paragraph is sort of direct at you too as the catalyst for Ness to get lynched was his grammar because Panda jumped on it and made Ness freak out.
If your playstyle is "picking through posts with a fine toothed comb", then you're clearly failing at doing that because I already addressed this dead horse more than once. Keep on beating it though. I literally stated that I would be slightly less active in this game compared to usual games AND also stated that I wasn't going to lurk in later posts. You would have known that if actually read my posts. It's not an excuse considering that I'm actually playing and posting more than one sentence each time I post. You actually have no idea what happened in the course of me signing up to this game or my game being ruined because you're new.
The reason people are more inclined to trust Entropy or even seriously consider her viewpoints is because everyone ignored her in previous games when she was RIGHT. She doesn't post giant long cases on people, but that doesn't mean she's stupid or something. She tends to keep her actual reasoning and her cards close to her chest. I don't think that it's smart at all to completely disregard her thoughts as people did that last game and she was spot on.
i realised that after i'd posted my first post from my thoughts up to page 30 (the reason i didn't reread through it all in one go is because i'm unfamiliar with how the multiquote function works and wanted to see if it was actually working) you did come back and justify your RQS and contribute to the game significantly/asked questions, so i apologise for being mistaken there as i didn't remember you having posted again from when i read through the thread for the first time when i wasn't in a position to post. i just commented on the impression i got from your RQS - it sounded like you intended to contribute very minimally with an attitude, which i was very wary of as in the last game i played there were players who caused mislynches by being inactive based on the fact that they didn't want to play. obviously at the point that i thought this i wasn't aware/hadn't remember that you'd posted replies and answers in detail later on that contradicted my first impression, so i apologise for calling you out on that since i wasn't aware that it had been addressed already anyway.
and as for entropy i haven't played with her before, i've found her posts up to now kind of flippant hence i questioned why ashtot seemed to have blind trust in her over a quick suspicion. i don't really have trust in anyone in mafia games (since that's just the nature of the game) hence it seems like strange play to me when others do. you also seem to be making out that 'keeping her actual reasoning and cards close to her chest' is a good thing, yet it can't be that beneficial to hold important information back from town. it sucks that she got ignored when she was right in the last game though, and there's no way i'm going to completely disregard her thoughts since i like to hear as many people's viewpoints and reads as possible. i was just addressing the fact that 'trusting' anyone in mafia and letting yourself be blinded by that trust probably isn't the best play.
I mean you're in the right direction, but not really all there.
It's just inclusive vs. exclusive.
The word structure "the town" implies that, in Ness's brain, he isn't part of the town. It's a bit of a Freudian slip. Similarly, the discussion with regard to Miharu is that the sentence "it'll be fun" with regard to the possibility of being mafia or third party is present tense inclusive, implying through sentence structure that they are currently third party or mafia.
That being said, I strongly believe Miharu just accidentally used the wrong tense due to language barrier. I could easily be wrong, but that's my current viewpoint.
Of course, this in no way makes Miharu town, it just absolves them (from my perspective) of the current allegations.
Oh, and tui, try to avoid using meta unless there's at least 2 - although preferably more - games backing the line of reasoning up. The only time meta is useful in a single case scenario is where someone is scumreading something they themselves did as town, in which case it's not only sufficient evidence, but it's strong evidence that they themselves aren't town.
Ness not showing up is concerning me a lot. However, he did mention in his post that he wouldn't be all that active "until he gets his school computer back", in august, so I don't see any good that'll come out of pressuring Ness right now. (Although my vote remains on him)
I need to draw attention to the elephant in the room: Oak's read list.
Let's just handle the reads 1 by 1. First of all, Oak townread tui, who only posted off-topic or answered RQS up until that point. A nonsensical read that makes no sense.
I want to hear his reasoning for townreading Liamslash, because there is a genuine reason for that read, it's bad, and it's reading something which isn't indicative of alignment as a towntell, but there's a reason he could've got this read. I'm just going to say that I doubt that's his reasoning. (If he has some horrid reason for this, I'll tell you what reason I was thinking of.)
His yellow list is a mirror image of the two people I said town were paying too much attention to and that we needed to stop thinking about, because the logic behind those pushes were bad.
As for his most-red read, Blu Rose, this is their only substantial post that has any content, which I can't see any problem with. While it doesn't add any information to the game, Blu Rose does address the current topics and provide their opinion on those topics. (Which is something we should only encourage.)
All in all, the reads of his that make most sense are the yellows, and they're just piggy-backing the current topic of over-conversation. Entropy managed to beat me to the punch here, but I'm not that sad since I remember being impressed with Entropy's town play last time I played with them.
I'm going to be pretty busy tonight, and then I'll be asleep during the last bunch of hours before the day ends, so I might not get much of a chance to check in again until the night phase. Therefore, I will ##VOTE: Ness now, but urge you (and the Eternal President) to not hold that much weight to this vote since there's plenty of time left for Ness to perhaps explain himself if he so desires. However, since I strongly believe that casting these 'purple votes' is very beneficial to town, I still want to contribute.
Indeed. Still, I personally think that it's much better to claim if you think it's highly likely you'll be the one that gets lynched, than to just somehow "accept the death" and then sit there afterwards and act salty when it's likely your own bad play that got you killed. Play well, prove your obvious good intentions, and you likely won't be the primary target I'd imagine. Simple enough.
Indeed. Still, I personally think that it's much better to claim if you think it's highly likely you'll be the one that gets lynched, than to just somehow "accept the death" and then sit there afterwards and act salty when it's likely your own bad play that got you killed. Play well, prove your obvious good intentions, and you likely won't be the primary target I'd imagine. Simple enough.
Speaking personally here, I have no idea why he town read me. I feel like if he town reads me he might have a reason or something, as, from as much as I can say, I haven't done anything. I just want to cover my back to say if he flips scum, I had nothing to do with him.
@Miharu: Derp clear is basically a way for them to go "Oh I wanted to be scum!" And they are. The way it was worded rubs me wrong entirely.
And Sat can beat me with my **** all he wants, policy Lynch Oak because their meta is hella off and late game they're a hindrance to us all.
And Sat can beat me with my **** all he wants, policy Lynch Oak because their meta is hella off and late game they're a hindrance to us all.
Please explain to me how me having a chance to be Mafia makes me any more Mafia than you. Also, please explain how not having posted any substance in the forums for a while makes me suspicious. Thank you~
And I have posted. Like three times. I will grant, all of them were general thoughts posts, but please, please don't be meanies~
As for your question, random.org says that I should lynch Sataric <3
**** i have to go
i'll be back in a while
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
I just woke up so I'll be reading deeper into people's posts later.
From what I'm reading, I don't think "To the town" was a slip from Miharu. I didn't find Ness saying the same thing to be a slip(keep in mind I was asleep when that while lynch thing happened), but him cracking from the people getting on him is what I found to be scummy. Miharu's reaction to her saying that was more so just puzzled how it was a slip, as opposed to her being defensive of super concerned to what she said. I don't town read her yet, I'm null from her other posts, but her reaction to the slip questioning was town to me.
Blu is still scummy. But it's weird to me how Entropy and Minties question Oak for calling him scummy but ignored when I said his posts were off before. Why ignore me ):
I literally find Tardis scummy every single game so I really have no clue what to think of him anymore
On the whole Ness thing has me torn. His 1 posts was practically fluff and agreeing that was extensively long to appear like it was substantial, but then he just left with no word. I understand being busy and all like he said before(I was busy the whole afternoon too), but the only thing he posted was useless and makes me question him.
I should have a vote on who I think should be lynched in a few hours
From what I'm reading, I don't think "To the town" was a slip from Miharu. I didn't find Ness saying the same thing to be a slip(keep in mind I was asleep when that while lynch thing happened), but him cracking from the people getting on him is what I found to be scummy. Miharu's reaction to her saying that was more so just puzzled how it was a slip, as opposed to her being defensive of super concerned to what she said. I don't town read her yet, I'm null from her other posts, but her reaction to the slip questioning was town to me.
Blu is still scummy. But it's weird to me how Entropy and Minties question Oak for calling him scummy but ignored when I said his posts were off before. Why ignore me ):
I literally find Tardis scummy every single game so I really have no clue what to think of him anymore
On the whole Ness thing has me torn. His 1 posts was practically fluff and agreeing that was extensively long to appear like it was substantial, but then he just left with no word. I understand being busy and all like he said before(I was busy the whole afternoon too), but the only thing he posted was useless and makes me question him.
I should have a vote on who I think should be lynched in a few hours
