My Kammm ISO
My intention is to figure out why Kammm might potentially be scum aside from PoE. I don’t see why people are starting to sus her aside from PoE and she has been declining in activity as of late but I can definitely chalk up at least part of that to IRL stuff she’s going through
1. What is your timezone? Eastern
2. How active will you be this game? p active, I'll try to contribute as much as I can <3
3. Preferred pronoun? she/her
4. Do you prefer being town or being mafia? town probably?? I'm a bad liar I would suck at being mafia :'(
5. How do you handle pressure? crying
6. Which player(s) in this game can you read the best? idk any of u yet so (hi new friends
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7. Which player(s) in this game can best read you? no one heh
8. How many games have you played? 0,, tis my first one
9. Who would you fearkill N1? idk :')
10. Will Ness answer this RQS? I'm not ness
Meh it’s RQs
What is the common mafio:town ratio?? I believe I read it somewhere but forgot where it was. I'm just curious to know how many people we're supposed to scope out.
Also, is the ratio always the same for each game?
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Also sorry if I'm reading into this too early, but I felt this was a decent point and that iLoveYou was genuinely trying to be helpful to town!
The most notable thing about this is a ILY townread from the get-go; they are definitely a possible and scary team. The other thing is that kammm opens with a question about town to scum ratios, which could be content trying to appear innocent and helpful or could just be a genuine noob question
By the way, just like I thought. The typical players like Gigabanoush and GhostKid are posting the bare minimum ( just the RQ and then random stuff ) to be deemed as active but not posting enough to get on peoples' radars. Watch them make it to the end while the rest of us die.
Kammm also just simply agreed with one of my bigger posts and disappeared after that. When her & Tom are doing that, I feel like they're using me as a shield to cover themselves in the thread.
I'll be posting my response to this shortly. Currently I'm preparing to evict the house for a good 6-7 hours so that pest control can take care of our infestation.
In response to the part about how I agreed with you and then disappeared, I really don't know what you expected me to say last night lol. I did post a few questions which were ignored, whilst the more experienced players got into...debates? Arguments? I don't know what to call them but I did keep up to date last night and didn't leave till after the toads/ness debate settled down and I went to bed. I'll admit, I felt out of place and didn't feel like I had anything worthwhile to contribute last night which is why it may have seemed like I had disappeared, when I was really reading up on all the posts. I may have invisible mode on so I could turn it off if that helps at all? But anyways, I don't see how agreeing with you seems like I'm hiding behind a "shield". There's not much to go off of yet and being a new player, I'm just looking at everyone else's opinions so far so I can start forming my own. However, even though I'm a bit confused as to why you decided to call me out on "disappearing" when so many other players weren't active last night either lol but I'm glad you did because it gave me the chance to defend myself and formulate a post.
Despite all this, I town lean you the most so far because of your earlier post about RQs. I feel like if you were Mafia, you wouldn't be trying so hard to scumhunt.
HMMM ILY DISTANCES D1 and groups kammm with Tom
Then kam (too lazy to type all three ms from now on) responded by throwing the “what do you want me to do” card and cited her questions as content. She noticeably repeats herself and says in a lot of words what could be said in a few: “Hey, I’m new and I’m just trying to figure out what’s going on. You seemed trustworthy so I said so, I’m not trying to pocket” SOMETHING like that instead of this monstrosity of a post. Again, little content masquerading as more?? Also note that despite ILY questioning Kam, Kam still has ILY as her strongest townlean
I just went through his posts and he hasn't really posted anything substantial, and his punchy vote seems really random? FN seems v fishy but I also feel like that's too obvious as mafia, would he really vote somebody right away without explanation if he was trying to lay low?
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The whole "we aren't a team" was random to me as well, I don't see why FN would feel the need to say that as nobody had even considered the fact that they were a team. I agree with punchy, FN is either playing bad town or bad scum lol. Not quite sure who a jester is tho?
Wishywashy AS EFFFF. Both scumleaning and townleaning Punchy and FN, plus piggybacking off Punchy and dumbtelling about jester to boot
Why would you put down scum bussing as an option and then follow up by saying that's not what you're doing? lol idk if it's just me, but that came off as slightly sus??? like why not just leave that option out.. If you know you're not scum, scum bussing wouldn't be on your list.
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EDIT: Sorry about the extra quotes,I'm on mobile and must have clicked them by accident while scrolling thru the thread.
Setting up sus on punchy over a really minor point
What triggered a "gut feeling" that Tom is mafia? I've seen a few other people say he's possible scum as well, but I think we need more posts from him before we can start saying he's sus.
I don't think going off a gut feeling is smart at all (especially this early in the game). Shouldnt we leave all feelings aside and use logic instead? It's better to wait and see if people do/say something suspicious rather than just saying somebody's mafia out of nowhere.
HMMMMMMM
HMMM HMM HMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMH
Hypocritical af yes cuz I did say something like this, but I believe I was really sus of Tom while giving him a chance to speak; here Kam is not sussing him but trying to prod someone else for their opinion on Tom, without giving any unique opinion of her own. Definitely defending Tom here though
FN's awaited response to accusations was honestly a let down and his so called "defenses" were half-a**ed. He brushed off all accusations by saying things like "this is false" or "not true" which don't seem like valid defenses imo. Does anybody else find this odd? I'm unsure if these are an indication of scum tho, because like I said earlier it seems to be WAY too obvious ;/
Continues to half-ass her read of FN while saying FN halfassed. While FN does halfass, like I’ve said all along, halfassing is his town meta, and he’s now shown to be blue. So this definitely didn’t age well for Kam at all
Are you referring to your idea that he's using reverse psychology to make us think he's not scum? If so, I believe that's a possibility. His excessive sarcasm towards everyone and avoidance of defending himself don't seem to hint towards town lol. so I believe your theory is decent and more people should consider it.
THIS IS GETTING SPIIIIIICY
Scumleaning FN finally?! I don’t blame her for not knowing FN’s meta but all of this is starting to look really sus.
So far what I'm getting from the past few pages is that nobody REALLY sees FN or Punchy as scum, they're both just sorta playing randomly/badly and need to step up their game. They're p distracting. ;/ Maybe we should move on from these two and focus on other lynch candidates?
Stating thread happenings zzzzz
Leaning on others for opinions while not giving any of her own zzzzz
Her only conclusion is they’re “distracting” and that we should move on to other lynch candidates. Knowing what we know now that those two were/are both blue…HMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMH
It's hard for me to say because I'm still learning and there haven't been a lot of tale tell signs as of yet. I would prefer to hear more from unactive people such as panda, dad, kate, giglabesh, etc before anything, but my main point was that focusing on these two is fruitless since no one seems keen on lynching them.
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Ffs why did you join this game if you weren't gonna take anything seriously
EASY TARGETING
And tosses some shade at FN
lmao right this second??? I would say FireNinja, not because I'm confident he's scum, but because he's not taking anything seriously and has just been a distraction so far.
Nobody (including myself) really sees FN as for sure scum, but I don't really have anything else to go off of. I just don't wanna avoid your question so I'm answering honestly even though I'm aware it's a horrible idea lol. I still think we should move on from FN and Punchy, we just need to hear more input from members who haven't posted as much.
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ALSO i would like to hear other people's answers to this question as well, as my input didn't help much :^)
Holy **** this is so scummy. I wanna lynch FN even though nobody (and myself too cuz why not teehee) sees him as scum because he’s a distraction, plus a meaningless redirect of the question back to the thread, AND easy targeting of inactives again
Just skimmed some of their posts. Dad has posted the least out of the 3. His "reads" list was long but didn't add much to the game? Other than that he hasn't contributed, so I would like to see more from him.
Ryumia's reason for defending FN was really odd to me?? Idk what to think of her lol. I do agree that she seems to be playing mediator tho, other than taking a different stance on FN's situation.
As for Jacob, I skimmed his posts but there was some good content from what I saw.. Nothing really stood out to me as sus but I'll re-read them as well as ryumia's to see if I can find anything.
NO STANCES
NO STANCES
NO STANCES
NO
ACTUAL
STANCES
JUST
FLUFF
Also casts doubt on dad over activity, despite her saying in the VERY NEXT POST that activity can’t be a good reason for sussing this early
I wasn't one of the people to criticize her lynch thoughts. I do think she had some good points, but overall I believe it's better to wait until later on in the game before lynching someone due to reasons other than coming off as scummy. Early on in the game there are too many people who fit the quota of ILY's lynching strategy, like being inactive or not contributing enough. Later on in the game, if no red flags arise, I think then would be a good time to consider inactives and people who seem to be laying low for lynch.
my response to toad's question wasn't all that serious..he didn't give me time to assess other players and really think of a good choice lol so I just said who came to mind first. We still have until tomorrow to decide who to lynch, so I don't really think FN is a good option unless he begins showing real scummy signs.
meh decent and I agreed with this post pretty strongly. Probably why I TR kam so hard early on.
Sorry if my reads aren't the best, I'm mostly going off of what I've seen other people say and kinda narrowing things down since we need to decide on a lynch candidate by today.
After this I'll proceed to respond to any posts about me.
Townleans
ILY - I already stated earlier that I town read her the strongest due to how she immediately began scum-hunting. She hasn't said anything scummy and her posts are genuine. She actively reads people and hasn't shown any favoritism. Everyone else town reads her as well, so it's easy to say she's my strongest town lean.
Toads - He's been the most active in this game. I would think mafia wouldn't have time to post as much as toads has, because don't they have to communicate with each other outside of the thread? He hasn't really shown favoritism towards anyone either and has been actively replying to people and sparking discussion. I don't town lean him as heavily as ILY, but I don't see him as too scummy rn.
Ness - I don't think mafia would let their teammate offer themselves up for lynch?
Ghostkid - He hasn't contributed too much but his posts genuinely sound like he's trying to figure the game out on his own. If he had a team of mafia members I'm sure they would be guiding him more and he wouldn't ask so many questions on the thread.
Other than those few, I'm still trying to figure out who else really sticks out as town to me. ATM there isn't a lot of information to go off of.
Scumleans/Lynch candidates
Antonio - Different playstyle than last game (I wasn't in it but followed along). Isn't as active and I feel like that's a big scum-tell. Tries to stay relevant by posting saying he'll follow-up but never does lol.
Dedenne - All of her posts are targeting punchy and she hasn't contributed much else. She doesn't seem too sus to me but no one else has mentioned her really so I thought I would bring her up as a candidate. I would like to hear something from her that's not just related to punchy lol. Seems as tho she's constantly trying to bring attention to him and not herself.
Kate - ILY says she's been browsing the thread but has made very minimal/short posts. Why would she keep up to date on the thread, but not say anything? A lot of accusations have been thrown at her and I would like to hear her defend herself. Time is running out, and if she still doesn't say anything near the end of day then I think she should be one of the top lynch candidates.
These are the people that have stuck out to me so far.
Probably another post that helped her town profile. Cherrypicked a few players to talk about, scumleaned Dedenne very weakly, and Kate, an inactive, even though kam literally just said “let’s wait on inactives.” HMHMHMMHMHMHM
Props on Tring Toads and Ness tho. TRd Ghostkid too so potential team there. GK/Kamm/ILY/Tom/xxx for scumteam? Overall shoddy reads imo
So I noticed a couple people pointed out how I "defended" Tom when Ghostkid brought him up. lol. That was me simply pushing him to give more info as to why he sussed him in the first place, because all he said was that he had a "feeling." I was trying to make a point that we would need more posts from Tom, and we can't just go off a gut feeling that somebody is in the mafia.
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Thanks for the quick response and I look forward to your reads list! Sorry to call you out but it's true that you haven't sussed anyone but punchy so far.
Here she addresses the “Tom defense” as “oh I was just trying to prod GK for more content.” Okeeeydokeyyy…
Slight buddying with dedenne, maybe a pocket attempt to try and make up after the scumlean
That's true but like I said I was trying to push you for more info. You elaborated on your sus of punchy but didn't say anything about Tom, which fair, there wasn't enough content from him to say much about. So now that he's posted more, do you feel the same way as before?
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Sorry for the extra quotes again :')
Response to ghostkid saying “tom is inactive.” Notice how kam is still not scumleaning Tom and implicitly suggests GK should change his read because Tom’s posted more. She doesn’t directly say it ofc but you can see the very subtle tonal shift here
You make a fair point (about trusting their gut) but it was so early into the game when he said that, it just seemed random.
Her interaction with Tom. Again, fluff and doesn’t press him on anything at all.
Dolby said:
Kammm-Slight townlean. I know that I said earlier that she is "probably town" and she has said some stuff in reflection that looks good for her. She does seem to be genuinely entrapped in Ness's ATE if he is scum, but I don't like that all of her scumreads are relatively inactive(though I do agree that two in particular (Antonio and Dedenne) deserve to be there at this point). I'm not really sure if I read her posts on FN coming from town or mafia though because they are really hesisitant.
For reference to her being hesistant. The tones really clash here, from calling him out on his bull****, to backing off. However, I really don't see her as scum making this if teamed with FN (not saying FN is really sus). I'm really not sure how to read this. Still, I also don't think she'd be posting so much as new scum. TL
I understand my posts on FN were all over the place and I do realize I kinda backpedaled when calling him out. I apologize for being so hesitant, it's D1 and I'm nervous I'll be honest. FN's attitude just really threw me off. Thank you for pointing that out tho, in my future posts I'll try not to be as hesitant when calling someone out.
Also I see what you're saying about how all my scum reads are generally inactives. But for now it's really difficult for me to point out scummy behavior (since I have no clue how scum usually play), esp this early in the game. so I'm not changing my stance on them and if nothing else arises I'll be all for a discussion of lynching one of them. (preferably antonio, he's the most sus to me and most people seem to agree)
Her response to Dolby, who gave her a slight townlean but appeared to have significant doubts about her that are generally aligning with problems I’m finding in this ISO. She still seems very noncommittal and reliant on others’ opinions
EoD is in less than 3hrs correct? If so we need to make a decision quick lol. I'm leaning towards Antonio for lynch, he's on almost everyone's scum list. If anyone is against this or has a better candidate in mind now would be a good time to voice it because I'll likely vote Antonio otherwise.
Antonio lynch, but not because he’s scummy…because HE’S ON EVERYONE’S SCUM LIST
I haven't voted Antonio yet because I'm still looking at everyone's opinions. I'm starting to consider Locket/Ryumia after the last few pages, but I need to read up on their posts before deciding.
Dedenne too, because she STILL never posted any reads.
Zzz noncommittal as hell zzz sheepy as hell zzz wagony as hell zzz
this is so true LMAO but it's D1 so what can we do
Her interaction with mog saying the vote is a stab in the dark, just fluff yet again
2 hours is fine Tina, thank you!!! ;o;
I think I might put my vote on dedenne, she responded to me when I called her out saying she would post reads and said not to sus her. She's posted since then but it was basically the same thing?? Promising reads and saying not to kill her or sus her. She's too defensive imo and hasn't contributed enough and continues to make excuses so I'll vote her for now.
FINALLY gives SOME kind of reasoning for dedenne. I suppose I can see the rationale even though I didn’t sr dedenne and we know now dedenne was town. She then proceeds to just put up dedenne’s last three posts, again fluff masquerading as true content perhaps??
how come you haven't participated throughout the game? Why do you come now and vote Antonio? Please explain.
Ez push on Giga, idk it’s not super AI in my view, but maybe just another beat up on an inactive to appear townie. Noticeably inconsistent with her activity stance though
That's true, but it was brought to my attention that Antonio is a newish player so I figured I would cut him some slack for now. Dedenne has played more games and has been fishy overall, she keeps repeating herself and has seen accusations but hasn't really defended herself at all, whilst Antonio just hasn't been active enough to respond to or see any accusations against him.
I suppose this is consistent with her inactivity stance. Very arbitrary delineation between Antonio and Dedenne, despite expressing a willingness to vote Antonio earlier in the day
How did she have town tells all over herself? And if she did why didn't you bring this up before
^^^^
also u literally voted antonio he was acting the same as dedenne almost just with less posts. Did Antonio even vote?
Noticeably piggybacks off of ILY to skewer Ness on the dedenne read, after Ness got upset with ILY/Kamm/Punchy over getting dedenne killed
I'm going through all the pages last night rn. Just wanna say, some of you guys made me feel like absolute **** about the mislynch. It was day 1 and there are A LOT of people to keep track of.. idk if you guys expect to get a perfect lynch everyday or what, but that seems hella unreasonable to me and this is my first game so please cut me some slack. If all mafia games are like this, where we call people stupid etc for making mistakes, then I don't want to be a part of it. I expected everyone to come together as a team to discuss the mislynch and what we could have done better, rather than make others feel bad purposefully.
I would like to address the whole "sheeping"/bandwagon thing that multiple people called the lynch last night.
First off.. only 4 people voted dedenne, how is that a bandwagon? Isn't a bandwagon where a TON of people all agree to the same thing because it's the easiest?? Most people didn't switch their vote to dedenne and went with their own opinions, and I respect that. But I had my own reason to vote dedenne,which I posted and will put again below.
I'm not sure what sheeping is exactly, but it sounds like following along with what other people are doing, similar to bandwagoning. If so I would like to ask why people assume I was doing that?? I was the first person to call out dedenne for being sus, and she immediately defended herself but still never posted any reads like she promised so I found that uber sus. I didn't even realize other people were voting for her because I placed my vote based off that fact since time was running out, and I had to go and make dinner.
Just needed to get that out,because reading those posts from last night honestly hurt and I really am trying my best. I just feel like some of you guys were kinda harsh. I'm going to finish going through the pages now and try to post something of actual importance.
Also @antonio thank you for the update and I hope you're ok.
it's ok Kam ur honestly obv town
did someone sus u? i will devour them
AtE to hell though I agree with it lmao; people can be too harsh over lynches. Overall decent content I guess. I put glow’s quote down cuz it shows glow strongly TR’d Kam as “obv town” which is…intriguing. Not a wild opinion cuz everyone has been Tring Kam until this point but just worthy of note that glow decided to point it out
I’ll summarize the rest of Kam’s posts to try and stop this from being a much bigger wallpost then it already is.
- Gets into mini-fight with Ness over dedenne read/death and says Rune’s ISO of yours truly is “interesting” and gives me time to provide a defense. Ness fight is meaningless fluff but the response to the ISO was interesting and slightly town indicative cuz I feel kam might be more opportunistic and latch on to me if she were scum. Or maybe she did just wait to see what I would say so she could maybe latch on later
- Hardcore susses ryumia after ryu’s mysterious posts, I did as well so idk if this is AI. Piggybacks off of my “wtf why did oath read” comment but again idk if that’s AI. She is very agreeable in her interactions with me here tho
- Various questions about what VT, jester, and how many KP scum has? Content masquerading again perhaps but idk why she felt the need to when she was widely TR at this time
- Prefers Ryumia lynch over Tom lynch (!!!!)
- Susses ryu hard then retracts after her reads, perhaps kam saw a ryu wagon wasn’t happening and shifted with town’s shift on ryu
- Then says Tom and Antonio are good choices for the lynch
- Sheeped punchy like everyone else did, but expressed doubts. She again went out of her way to give me kudos
Conclusion:
scumlean
Kam has definitely played very well for a first time player but I think we’ve been townreading her for too long, and after ISO’ing her I see a ton of problems. My issue with this scumlean is that why would Kam SR Katezilla then kill her?
N1 kills: Katezilla, toads, oath
N2: Jacob, Dolby
N3: Rune
N2 and 3 kills and 2/3 N1 kills would make sense from Kam’s perspective but idk why she wouldn’t save Kate as useless town/lynch fodder
Here’s the thing. We have so many potential scums and scumteams. GK/Glow/Trundle/Vanessa/Amanda/Kammm/ILY are all potential scums imo; Tom is obv confirmed so we also need to look at how each of these people responded to Tom, and who could best be paired with each other or what possible teams exist. ILY needs another serious look; rn I can’t think of stuff that makes her scum but I’m sure an ISO can help clarify a lot of things. I still TR ILY for now but based purely on interactions I think a scumteam isolation of Kam/ILY/Glow/Tom/xxx is a huge and dangerous possibility. Amanda could def slot in as the last scum but Amanda has been a bit different than the last game. I don't recall much Kam/Amanda interactions
