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the mailboxes?

probably something to do with servers or whatever (since every member having 1k+ storage space would be quite a bit much), so if anyone needs the additional space, they can work towards and buy whichever mailbox meets their needs
 
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xRileyx said:
Uh.... does anyone know why I got three like notifications and only see one new like in my profile page? Are guests able to like posts now too? Lmao

EDIT: Is it perhaps because the person liking the post clicked on it, clicked it again to take it off, and then once more to re-like it?

ANOTHER EDIT: I got 8 like notifications now all at once, wtf is happening?
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Hi. It has stopped now, but I never got an answer to this. Thank you.
 
LambdaDelta said:
the mailboxes?

probably something to do with servers or whatever (since every member having 1k+ storage space would be quite a bit much), so if anyone needs the additional space, they can work towards and buy whichever mailbox meets their needs
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But you can afford the space as a completly new account.
 
unless you mean "can't". in which case, that's, uh.... kinda the point

it's meant to be something for people that deal heavily with their pm inboxes and/or that want for long-term usage, with different mailbox upgrade sizes to go along with whatever fits those needs the best

plus, I mean with the welcome shells, new users can jump straight to being able to own a silver mailbox (350 pms limit). which should be far more than enough for the vast majority of users to begin with
 
LambdaDelta said:
you're.... literally not supposed to be making alts
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That's not what I meant.

LambdaDelta said:
unless you mean "can't". in which case, that's, uh.... kinda the point

it's meant to be something for people that deal heavily with their pm inboxes and/or that want for long-term usage, with different mailbox upgrade sizes to go along with whatever fits those needs the best

plus, I mean with the welcome shells, new users can jump straight to being able to own a silver mailbox (350 pms limit). which should be far more than enough for the vast majority of users to begin with
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You say the system is for the people who deal with lots pm but that dosnt compute. If that was the case, why do you have to purchase them? Why not make them free but limited? Honestly don't think there's a point to making it a purchasable item.

I'll just wait for a mods clarification. Thanks for your input!
 
Vaati said:
That's not what I meant.


You say the system is for the people who deal with lots pm but that dosnt compute. If that was the case, why do you have to purchase them? Why not make them free but limited? Honestly don't think there's a point to making it a purchasable item.

I'll just wait for a mods clarification. Thanks for your input!
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if they're free but limited, then plenty of people, even those that don't have any use for, would grab up simply to have. unquestionably far more than enough to outweigh those that have a legitimate use for

this way makes it a luxury that forces them to decide on if it'd be worth it or not

and most people dealing heavily in pms will be doing transactions, so to that end, they can just use these same transactions to gather enough tbt for their desired mailbox rip if they desire a small mailbox though
 
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LambdaDelta said:
if they're free but limited, then plenty of people, even those that don't have any use for, would grab up simply to have. unquestionably far more than enough to outweigh those that have a legitimate use for

this way makes it a luxury that forces them to decide on if it'd be worth it or not

and most people dealing heavily in pms will be doing transactions, so to that end, they can just use these same transactions to gather enough tbt for their desired mailbox rip if they desire a small mailbox though
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Ok let me ask you this, how much space do you think storing a pm takes? Currently Vms storage is infinite and something like a pm is no different then any regular forum post. And as far as I know, they don't delete old post.
 
Vaati said:
Ok let me ask you this, how much space do you think storing a pm takes? Currently Vms storage is infinite and something like a pm is no different then any regular forum post. And as far as I know, they don't delete old post.
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I'd hypothesize more space than either a vm or forum post, due to the more private nature of them. though this can also shift based on the contents of the pm/vm/post in question

but even beyond that, stuff like this certainly can add up fast. especially on a forum as large as this one. and when the vast majority of people won't need anything beyond the most basic of mailboxes, if even that, well....


really, it's starting to seem less like you're looking for an answer as to why and far more like you're just looking for someone to agree with you that this shouldn't be a thing. at which point you may as well be asking why everyone doesn't just get a free "start a group" item as well
 
LambdaDelta said:
I'd hypothesize more space than either a vm or forum post, due to the more private nature of them. though this can also shift based on the contents of the pm/vm/post in question

but even beyond that, stuff like this certainly can add up fast. especially on a forum as large as this one. and when the vast majority of people won't need anything beyond the most basic of mailboxes, if even that, well....


really, it's starting to seem less like you're looking for an answer as to why and far more like you're just looking for someone to agree with you that this shouldn't be a thing. at which point you may as well be asking why everyone doesn't just get a free "start a group" item as well
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Well I definitely aint looking to argue, Ill just wait for a mod to post.
 
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Vaati said:
Ok let me ask you this, how much space do you think storing a pm takes? Currently Vms storage is infinite and something like a pm is no different then any regular forum post. And as far as I know, they don't delete old post.
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Knowing enough about the size of files in general through web design experience (which is predominantly composed of just text files of different formats), a PM should take the same amount of data storage as any ordinary post since posts and PMs at the end of the day are just records of text that happen to have special formatting tags that is interpreted by the forum software (BB Code). o/ Even images and other files do not make any significant difference in the size of either (if they are shared through a link), the only time a image/file size matters is when they are an attachment. Hope this answers your question! :)

When it comes to the reason why Mailboxes require being purchased, I honestly have no idea since it doesn't make sense when you think about PMs the way I described them above. I think the only reason why they cost anything is that it is another way for people to spend their TBT and deflate the economy of TBT (if there is a specific reason, I would love it if staff shared it because I am curious now as well). I guess to me there is a big difference between the size of your PM mailbox and changing your username when it comes to pricing things.
 
wouldn't the method of availability (full vs limited) up the storage usage though, if even slightly? maybe not for the contents, but for how it codes itself to be treated as private

plus with pms basically doubling up each time (sender's sent items folder and recipient's inbox) and all...


though this is of course ignoring the staff's refusal to make a read only archive for forum events and such, for whatever nonsense reason. so there' probably a backload of older posts that take up far more space than every pm
 
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MasterM64 said:
Knowing enough about the size of files in general through web design experience (which is predominantly composed of just text files of different formats), a PM should take the same amount of data storage as any ordinary post since posts and PMs at the end of the day are just records of text that happen to have special formatting tags that is interpreted by the forum software (BB Code). o/ Even images and other files do not make any significant difference in the size of either (if they are shared through a link), the only time a image/file size matters is when they are an attachment. Hope this answers your question! :)
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That was a rhetorical question. As a software programmer myself, I know full well that storing txt dosent take a lot of space.

I know this is really a stupid topic but my cuirousity got the best of me.
 
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LambdaDelta said:
wouldn't the method of availability (full vs limited) up the storage usage though, if even slightly? maybe not for the contents, but for how it codes itself to be treated as private

plus with pms basically doubling up each time (sender's sent items folder and recipient's inbox) and all...

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At the back end of TBT in the database, everything should be the same for the most part except some slight changes in the properties of the database tables. What really dictates what PMs are viewable to a user is a simple body of code that just seeks out what the user is authorized to see from the database.

When it comes to the doubling up of the PMs, that reasoning does make sense now that I think of it (since it is not like posts where quoting is purely optional at default)... lol

Vaati said:
That was a rhetorical question. As a software programmer myself, I know full well that storing txt dosent take a lot of space.

I know this is really a stupid topic but my cuirousity got the best of me.
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That's really cool, I hope to find something in web development someday! :) I definitely can understand the curiosity, I guess that is part of us who program stuff since we solve problems and try to understand things at multiple angles! ;)
 
There's no technical reason -- it's just part of the Bell economy feature. Of course these days that's far more centred around collectibles, but when the current version of the Shop and Bells were first introduced, we only had a single Cake collectible so it was more about unlocking upgrades! No different than the avatar extension or title color change.
 
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plus with pms basically doubling up each time (sender's sent items folder and recipient's inbox) and all...
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I know Justin has rather adequately answered my question already; however, I thought I might clarify something you pointed out.

The database doesn't require two versions of a post to exist for this to be possible. That would be what we refer to as "Data Redundancy". I believe the mailbox serves as a redirector to a view of a specific posts and not a psychical holder. Therefore, the sender's and recipient's versions are just two views of one post.
 
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This is a question to staff (particularly Admins who have access to the web server & database) that I know no one else can answer (unless they happen to have a vBulletin site themselves), but is there a character limit on how big posts can be? I am just wanting to know so I know the best way to store records for my shop since I have a ton of text & BB Code in my shop post. o/
 
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