China

[nintendofan85]

After making my gender roles thread yesterday, I decided to make this because it's something I've started to find ridiculous.

Not only has "effeminacy" in men recently been banned in China (along with blatant recent repression of LGBT peoples there), but China is also greatly limiting how much video games can be played in the country (although they've been illegal there before). While none of this surprises me, I am pretty enraged at these blatant repressions of China's youth. What do you guys think?

Much of this is seen as a way to teach "masculinity" and "patriotic devotion" in Chinese boys, and is seen as a way that Xi Jinping might become the strongest Chinese leader since Mao Zedong.

 

[Croconaw]

As stated in this article that you previously linked in another thread, this only applies in entertainment shows. I still somewhat agree with you however, that it seems to be on the verge of being banned period. It’s sad that they’re trying to indoctrinate the youth, and I’ll say that effeminacy being banned in shows is only the beginning. It will soon be stapled into these kids’ minds. Self expression and individuality is very important.

 

[.: Meri :.]

I really don't like this kind of government overreach in media and in people's personal lives. There's a place for that in some cases (for instance, seatbelt laws), but these types of restrictions aren't about protecting or saving lives, they're about controlling people. And regarding the video game ban, how to manage a child's screentime should be a decision made by the parents, not the government. It's also concerning to me how the Chinese government might try to escalate these restrictions from this point forward, and I feel terribly for those who are being affected by this.

 

[Stikki]

Yes, this is sadly what communism results in. Same as how they're restricting kids to like an hour a week for video games now, as an actual enforced law.

 

[tumut]

China is no worse than any other authoritarian regime. Muslims had their citizenship stripped from the in India a year ago, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have tons of blatant slavery, Myanmar still has ongoing genocide etc.

This is obviously not right, but other countries are doing worse things and we're not clutching our pearls at them. I find so many of the anti-China news articles recently to be in poor taste only meant to fuel sinophobia.

Nothing wrong with being critical of China, we should be, I just find the double standard we have of being outraged at China while other countries are far worse to their citizens to be disingenuous.

 

[nintendofan85]

China is no worse than any other authoritarian regime. Muslims had their citizenship stripped from the in India a year ago, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have tons of blatant slavery, Myanmar still has ongoing genocide etc.

This is obviously not right, but other countries are doing worse things and we're not clutching our pearls at them. I find so many of the anti-China news articles recently to be in poor taste only meant to fuel sinophobia.

Nothing wrong with being critical of China, we should be, I just find the double standard we have of being outraged at China while other countries are far worse to their citizens to be disingenuous.

Very true and Saudi Arabia honestly makes me sick. India is clearly on its path to becoming a dictatorship under Narendra Modi.

The thing with China that probably fuels that said sentiment against it is due to the fact that China is on its way to be a superpower and has more clout than the other countries (although I'd argue India is another example of a rising nation, too). One issue I definitely have with Sinophobia, though (and the pandemic has exposed this entirely), is that it has made racism against Asians, not even just against those of Chinese descent, acceptable-and that I cannot tolerate at all.

 

[Stikki]

China is no worse than any other authoritarian regime. Muslims had their citizenship stripped from the in India a year ago, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have tons of blatant slavery, Myanmar still has ongoing genocide etc.

This is obviously not right, but other countries are doing worse things and we're not clutching our pearls at them. I find so many of the anti-China news articles recently to be in poor taste only meant to fuel sinophobia.

Nothing wrong with being critical of China, we should be, I just find the double standard we have of being outraged at China while other countries are far worse to their citizens to be disingenuous.

Oh for sure and I always scratch my head when people will criticise one but not another. Same with any mess ups being made by western governments, no matter which end of the political spectrum we fall on, we shouldn't be afraid to say when something just isn't right, even if it's from our own "side" as it were.

 

[Flyffel]

I lived in Shanghai for a year two years before Covid and it seems like it's only gotten worse after I left. My Chinese friend even worte some anti foreigner messages to me at the height of the anti foreigner propaganda but I think he realised soon that it's kinda BS.

What you do have to understand about China though is that it's - for a good part - a performance. They say that stuff is like this and that... but mostly they won't/can't follow through. It's a massive population that is impossible to truly control.

China is much about "face", the impression you give off is more important than what actually happens on the ground. If nobody talks about something, it never happened. Which is easy when you control the media and can highlight the few times that crazy laws are enforced as examples to prove that this and that is the law.

If you don't visit and see the reality you have to believe what other people / the media tells you about it.

In other words, it's propaganda and you are currently falling for it. You thought only Chinese people fall for their propaganda? Lmao, think again.

We shouldn't ignore though that they have literal concentration camps for a part of their population for example. Not like we can actually do anything about it.

Yes, this is sadly what communism results in. Same as how they're restricting kids to like an hour a week for video games now, as an actual enforced law.

China has nothing to do with "communism", it's only in the name of the party as a "good" thing but their policies have nothing to do with "communism".

 

[Stikki]

China has nothing to do with "communism", it's only in the name of the party as a "good" thing but their policies have nothing to do with "communism".

Probably not what people recognise/believe to be communism, but this is what happens with communism sadly, that was my point. Communism is a nice idea in theory, at the beginning, but it gradually descends into fascism.

 

[princess.looking.for.frog]

China has nothing to do with "communism", it's only in the name of the party as a "good" thing but their policies have nothing to do with "communism".

the government is a communist regime and can be blamed for alot of problems, take North Korea and the Soviet Union. communism never works and it paves the way for authoritarian regimes that control people. I'm not saying every country that is controlling is communist, but every communism nation is controlling. communism never works because of human greed and that's what control is too.

 

[Stalfie]

Communism fails. Does anyone have a commie island?

 

[nintendofan85]

China is much about "face", the impression you give off is more important than what actually happens on the ground. If nobody talks about something, it never happened. Which is easy when you control the media and can highlight the few times that crazy laws are enforced as examples to prove that this and that is the law.

Sadly, I've heard this an unflattering aspect of East Asian culture... Japan may not be a dictatorship, but apparently this is a huge part of Japanese culture as well.