Imbri
Resident Night Mare
Ideally, I would prefer him not to run.
2020 Democratic Primary Election
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I have no idea who I'll support in the primaries yet. At this point I just want the monstrosity that is Trump removed from office, so any of these Democrats I'll vote for in 2020. I'm sure I'll form opinions over them one or the other, but in the end, it's all about kicking Trump out.
xSuperMario64x
a very tired Bug 🪲💤
Still not entirely sure about this statement but yall do yall i suppose
nintendofan85
Good grief.
I agree that Bernie Sanders doesn't meet the mold of a typical Democratic politician (at least not prior to the 2016 election, anyway, as Barack Obama had some pretty moderate policies), but he's still liberal and his policies have actually only been included in the Democratic Party more and more over the years since 2015 when he launched his first campaign. You have to remember that since he ended up being the only Democrat in the election to seriously be a challenge to Hillary Clinton (Martin O'Malley did very poorly in the primaries once those started in early 2016, and Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb didn't even get that far), and a major factor in his primary loss to her was the fact that the Democratic National Committee led by Debbie Wasserman Schultz affected the results into Clinton's favor. I'm not a Bernie supporter personally, but the way he was done in 2016 wasn't right and I don't think anyone can deny that. I will also have to reiterate what Justin said and that if Sanders ran as an independent against Donald Trump and whoever the Democratic nominee would be, votes would be split for sure. Think back to when Al Gore narrowly lost to George W. Bush in 2000-Ralph Nader basically served as a liberal protest vote against Gore, and he garnered over 97,000 votes in Florida, the states that ultimately decided the election in Bush's favor by 537 votes. 2000 isn't even the only example, either, but I've said enough.
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I would like to say though, that unfortunately Justin, this is already likely going to happen. Howard Schultz is running in the election as an independent and likely that would cipher enough votes away from the Democratic candidate in order to hand Trump a re-election victory.
I have likely stated before that I'm a centrist so I'm not really for Bernie Sanders's ideals, but that doesn't mean I deny simple math. Again, Nader is considered to have spoiled the 2000 election for Gore.
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I only think she should be disqualified because Democrats need the best candidate possible that will gather the most votes through the confidence of the public if they hope to win the White House in 2020. I did make it perfectly clear in my posts that Trump is not perfect either (& I actually don't agree with certain things he has done recently), I only voted for him because I didn't want Hillary in the White House because of her deeds that I consider treasonous in nature. Quite honestly, I would rather have a moderate option in the POTUS race instead of 2 opposite poles of the political spectrum that will be for the good of people and the long term interest of the U.S..
Dora the explorer: ?Hola! Can you kids select the correct option for solving this nation?s problems? *arrow appears* choose wisely!?
I?m not sure who I?ll be voting for yet, but I?ll definitely opt to do some more research on each candidate before making a decision.
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-Apples-
Apple Imperialist
Not really. Even if Nader divided Gore’s vote, Bush lost the popular vote because he had a DUI. They exposed him on the last week before the election, and he refused to admit it. Even dividing the vote won’t give the opponent the election. Granted, Bush did win, but only the electoral vote, as he barely won Florida. What if Howard Shultz or Bernie Sanders runs as Independent and one of the Democrats on the poll runs as a Democrat, but Ann Coulter steals the Republican Primary from Trump? Even if the Democrats would be divided, they will still win. That’s because nobody would ever want to vote for Ann Coulter. Even Trump doesn’t like her. Or what if the Republican Primary was won by someone you never heard of. They’ll still lose to the Democrats in 2020, whether or not the Democrats are divided.
nintendofan85
Good grief.
I will say Mica, you're pretty spot on about Ann Coulter-although, as a side note (this doesn't really relate with the topic at hand), my advisor at my college (I'm a political science major myself, and if you haven't figured out yet, plan on being an attorney) was actually about to be set up with her romantically as they were going to Cornell at the same time (she was a year ahead of him). True story. He is pretty conservative himself (which is rare for a political science professor at a college, just saying). I don't even think he likes her much for her views alone, either.
Well, anyways, basically the thing is, third-party/independent candidates have swung the results of elections before in United States history-it can't be denied, and it has helped both Republicans and Democrats. For example, in 1992, George W. Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, lost re-election to Bill Clinton, and the independent candidacy of Ross Perot is given as a reason why Bush Sr. lost re-election. In 1980, Jimmy Carter lost re-election to Ronald Reagan, and John B. Anderson's independent candidacy in that election has been said to have hurt Carter's re-election chances because he took the votes that had been unimpressed with the Carter administration but saw Reagan as too conservative. Let's not even get into what George Wallace could've potentially done to 1968. (Wallace remains the last third-party candidate to win electoral votes; Anderson didn't get any in 1980 nor did Perot in either 1992 or 1996)
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nintendofan85
Good grief.
I will say, I'm now pretty sure Kamala Harris will be the nominee. Bernie Sanders does seem to be in the position of being a frontrunner though.
She's definitely the favourite of the Hillary alumni, and Beto the favourite of the Obama alumni.
SnakeEater
Senior Member
Not an American, and wouldn't vote Democrat if I could, but I would say as it stands now Biden, Warren and Sanders seem to be the most viable.
Trump will win though.
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It's obviously not a good thing. Those that are saying that it is either:
1. don't understand socialism (are conflating/misnaming what they advocate)
2. are young.
3. are crazy.
Trump will win though.
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It's obviously not a good thing. Those that are saying that it is either:
1. don't understand socialism (are conflating/misnaming what they advocate)
2. are young.
3. are crazy.
Funny thing, I turn 18 on Election Day in 2020 haha. I'll have to say Bernie has my vote; I'm not the smartest/brightest when it comes to politics but someone close to me loves him and keeps me informed on all the things he does. I think he's pretty cool.
It'll be interesting to see who gets the democratic nominee. I wouldn't be surprised if we see someone with more radical views (by American standards that is) to counter how extreme the republicans have gotten. Or maybe people want a more moderate alternative after four years of insanity and embarrassment?
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