death penalty

[UnderWish]

The death penalty is a highly discussed topic, and as much as I'd like to say I'm against it, I am not.
In the eyes of Justice, you get what you give. Those who have committed horrible crimes should die for their actions. Murderers, kidnappers and the mentally unstable jackasses who think things like these are okay for them to do, those are the people who deserve the death penalty. I could argue that no one 'deserves' to die, but that would be incorrect.
Some do deserve to die, though no one deserves a prolonged and painful death like some murderers/kidnappers bring upon their victims. What the government is doing, murdering the people who have done the same to others, is justice, an eye for an eye.
But, I believe this should ONLY come into play if there is indisputable evidence against the person's innocence.

 

[Red Cat]

Rapists deserve death or the loss of one or more body parts or reproductive organs

You should move to the Middle East where they do barbaric stuff like that.

 

[MochiACNL]

I find it cruel to just give them the death penalty. I think it should be up to the prisoner if they want to die or live in prison for the rest of their life.ヽ（?ー｀）┌

 

[kayleee]

You should move to the Middle East where they do barbaric stuff like that.

Okay thanks for your unsolicited suggestion

 

[visibleghost]

lol this thread is still open ?? im so proud of u all

anyways mostly what i can see ppl think are reasons for death penalty is that those ppl donmt deserve to live, and i'm kinda tired so i don't rly feel like doing the whole But They R Human thing agsin so i'll just let u all know that i disagree or somethign

 

[Locket]

Onto topic,

I think that the death penalty is OK, only for the worst criminals. Like, someone who murdered 75 people, not someone who murdered 1. It should only be the harshest punishment, to the harshest people. Otherwise, it should just be solved by a psychologist and prison.

 

[radical6]

IN MY OPINION WE SHOULD JUST DO THAT NEEDLE EXECUTION FOR THOSE WHO KILLED MANY PEOPLE (MASS MURDERERS/SERIAL KILLERS) BECAUSE3
1) THEY ARE SCUM, PROBABLY
2) THEY PROBABLY HAVE NO REMORSE
3) THEY WILL NEVER INTEGRATE BACK INTO SOCIETY EVER AGAIN
4) THEY WILL BE SOCIALLY ISOLATED FOREVER AND WILL PROBABLY TRY TO KILL THEMSELVES ANYWAY

THATS MY OPINION, OK, THANK YOU

 

[LinkToTheWorld]

I agree with it in the most serious of crimes where guilt is beyond questions. Most of the time, those sort of people show no remorse. Committing crimes against children warrants a death sentence, just like they've sentenced that child to.
I find so many people seem to have more compassion and understanding with the people committing the crime rather than the victim.

Paying taxes to keep the most evil people in prison where they can take education courses, have a roof over their heads when so many decent people are homeless....they won't care about what they've done. And even if by some miracle they one day gain a conscience. It doesn't make anything better. Not once they've destroyed somebody else.

So yes, in case of child abuse/murder(not accidental or self defence either) I believe the death penalty is a great solution.

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You should move to the Middle East where they do barbaric stuff like that.

Not quite as barbaric as what the victim will have suffered at the hands of their rapist though, is it.

 

[Cudon]

I'm honestly grossed out by how many of you have 0 compassion towards criminals and consider them in a 100% black and white way. No matter how you twist your words or beliefs, criminals of all severities have human attributes and are as complex as us. Because of this there are rarely criminals who do their crime for no literal reason or just for fun, there's usually an underlying problem or motive, and deciding whether this motive is deserving a death penalty isn't always easy.

By assuming that criminals have no humanity and no background motives, that have to be taken into account, you are thinking in a very lazy, immature way and are also being 'ableist' by ignoring the possibility of a mental illness and the possibility of this mental illness being treatable. Instead you choose to look at criminals as an entirely different form of human beings and justify lack of empathy and rights towards them by it.

 

[LinkToTheWorld]

I'm honestly grossed out by how many of you have 0 compassion towards criminals and consider them in a 100% black and white way. No matter how you twist your words or beliefs, criminals of all severities have human attributes and are as complex as us. Because of this there are rarely criminals who do their crime for no literal reason or just for fun, there's usually an underlying problem or motive, and deciding whether this motive is deserving a death penalty isn't always easy.

By assuming that criminals have no humanity and no background motives, that have to be taken into account, you are thinking in a very lazy, immature way and are also being 'ableist' by ignoring the possibility of a mental illness and the possibility of this mental illness being treatable. Instead you choose to look at criminals as an entirely different form of human beings and justify lack of empathy and rights towards them by it.

Calling people immature just because they don't agree with you doesn't really do your argument any favours. A mature person would be able to discuss it and see it from all sides, without trying to insult people.

I spent my life working with disabled people and people with special needs. I have a mental illness myself and find it very insulting when these evil people are placed in that catagory. Mental illness doesn't make you murder disabled people. There's no excusing it.
No, I have no compassion for somebody who killed a group of people, one of those could have been my sister. Or one of the kids I've spent years working with, seeing them turn into a decent member of society.

I have compassion for the people he murdered and the families left behind.

 

[Fleshy]

As I've said, I am completely against the death penalty. However, the serious attempt to sympathise with and humanise serious offenders is a little scary, yes violent and dangerous criminals are complex humans but that doesn't mean they deserve sympathy and care (in my opinion). I'm never, ever, going to show any type of compassion at all to a rapist or someone who has abused a child. I don't care who they are or what their motives were, they won't get an ounce of sympathy or compassion from me. I believe they deserve to die. (that however does not mean that I believe their murder should be legal though, because I don't).

By constantly finding any means to defend such offenders it comes across as trivialising victims suffering and siding with said criminals. During this discussion I've seen quite a few people saying that such criminals are "still people", "deserve another chance", "don't deserve their human rights taken away" and suchlike, I don't understand that thought process, why show compassion to rapists, serial murders and child abusers?

 

[Reindeer]

Exactly, nor do I. In the case of petty/minor offenses (drugs, shoplifting, etc) then yes, education and rehabilitation should be seriously pushed for. But Education isn't essential for life, education is a privilege. Extremely violent/dangerous criminals should be punished, not given privileges, even if they were, it's pointless, they likely won't show legitimate remorse. I find this push for education for said criminals ridiculous.

In the Netherlands, education about crime starts young. Police officers go into classrooms, we get to see and hold various items like drugs, guns, bullets, knives, etc. The officers explain, in full detail, what everything does. It's a basic deterrence course, but it also demystifies a lot of items involved in crime.

When a person in their teens or adulthood actually commits murder or rape, they are forcefully entered into a rehabilitation center. At an older age, if you already committed a crime, that basic deterrence course is not going to help. So what they get there is not education, but rather a type of therapy where they seek out whether or not the person's thinking can be corrected.

In the great majority of cases, this is successful, and repeat offenders almost do not exist over here. As I stated in my first post, the criminals where this rehabilitation fails are kept out of society, they are seen as too much of a danger.
The amount of rapes and murders here drop every year. We have to close several prisons every few years because of the dropping crime rate. Last year we had a record low of just 120 total murders, in a population of over 17 million people. So even if you don't have faith in it working, the system in place here has proven to reduce crime through education and rehabilitation.

Calling people immature just because they don't agree with you doesn't really do your argument any favours. A mature person would be able to discuss it and see it from all sides, without trying to insult people.

She called people's way of thinking immature, not the people themselves.

I spent my life working with disabled people and people with special needs. I have a mental illness myself and find it very insulting when these evil people are placed in that catagory. Mental illness doesn't make you murder disabled people. There's no excusing it.

Your personal bias has no place in such a decision. If criminals are found to have a mental illness of some sort, that's a diagnosis made by professionals, and something you'll have to accept.

 

[Nightmares]

I'm fine with the death penalty. We need to get rid of all the humans on this Earth anyway xD rip Joking, but then...not really?

 

[LinkToTheWorld]

As I've said, I am completely against the death penalty. However, the serious attempt to sympathise with and humanise serious offenders is a little scary, yes violent and dangerous criminals are complex humans but that doesn't mean they deserve sympathy and care (in my opinion). I'm never, ever, going to show any type of compassion at all to a rapist or someone who has abused a child. I don't care who they are or what their motives were, they won't get an ounce of sympathy or compassion from me. I believe they deserve to die. (that however does not mean that I believe their murder should be legal though, because I don't).

By constantly finding any means to defend such offenders it comes across as trivialising victims suffering and siding with said criminals. During this discussion I've seen quite a few people saying that such criminals are "still people", "deserve another chance", "don't deserve their human rights taken away" and suchlike, I don't understand that thought process, why show compassion to rapists, serial murders and child abusers?

Round of applause. Honestly, best comment I've read and put very eloquently, better than I could have said it.

 

[Nightmares]

I find it cruel to just give them the death penalty. I think it should be up to the prisoner if they want to die or live in prison for the rest of their life.ヽ（?ー｀）┌

Or maybe they shouldn't have committed the crime in the first place, huh

 

[LinkToTheWorld]

Or maybe they shouldn't have committed the crime in the first place, huh

In the Netherlands, education about crime starts young. Police officers go into classrooms, we get to see and hold various items like drugs, guns, bullets, knives, etc. The officers explain, in full detail, what everything does. It's a basic deterrence course, but it also demystifies a lot of items involved in crime.

When a person in their teens or adulthood actually commits murder or rape, they are forcefully entered into a rehabilitation center. At an older age, if you already committed a crime, that basic deterrence course is not going to help. So what they get there is not education, but rather a type of therapy where they seek out whether or not the person's thinking can be corrected.

In the great majority of cases, this is successful, and repeat offenders almost do not exist over here. As I stated in my first post, the criminals where this rehabilitation fails are kept out of society, they are seen as too much of a danger.
The amount of rapes and murders here drop every year. We have to close several prisons every few years because of the dropping crime rate. Last year we had a record low of just 120 total murders, in a population of over 17 million people. So even if you don't have faith in it working, the system in place here has proven to reduce crime through education and rehabilitation.


She called people's way of thinking immature, not the people themselves.


Your personal bias has no place in such a decision. If criminals are found to have a mental illness of some sort, that's a diagnosis made by professionals, and something you'll have to accept.

Have no idea what the point of that comment was, honestly.
I was saying mental illness is used as an excuse in the context of these discussions and it is very insulting.

 

[Nightmares]

Have no idea what the point of that comment was, honestly.
I was saying mental illness is used as an excuse in the context of these discussions and it is very insulting.

Huh I wasn't replying to you

 

[Reindeer]

Have no idea what the point of that comment was, honestly.
I was saying mental illness is used as an excuse in the context of these discussions and it is very insulting.

People are mentioning the possibility of a mental illness in such criminals to make people rethink their rigid stance on the death penalty, not using it as an excuse for the criminals' actions. Nobody has said "people only rape kill because they're mentally ill", or even implied it, so don't act like they did.

 

[LinkToTheWorld]

Or maybe they shouldn't have committed the crime in the first place, huh

Huh I wasn't replying to you

I was replying to you either?

 

[Nightmares]

I was replying to you either?

I'm sorry, but what the heck you talking about? o: