death penalty

[seliph]

I just have to say that justifying things with "rights" and "wrongs" is subjective. Everyone has different ways of dealing with things - no need to say "your acting like a child" or "you should be the bigger person". Sure its good to be the bigger person but who honestly cares? I have a blurred line between morals and I'm not saying anyones wrong really.

I have a huge problem with "be the bigger person" because it's often used as a like "let people walk all over you and take advantage of you without any consequences"

Not saying it's being used like that in this thread but.... yeah I just hate the mentality that's usually behind it

So does rehabilitation. Most of the time.

But wasn't what Azure just said an analogy and not a direct comparison? Because if it is considered an analogy, it is a bit illogical of you to denounce it by saying the two things are too different in severity.

But they are immensely different in severity....... what

 

[Tensu]

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but cruel and heinous people don't deserve the right to life.

Everyone deserves the right to life. No one has the right to take a life from you. Not the killer or the person dealing the punishment. No one.

 

[visibleghost]

Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure but aren't we essentially paying to keep them alive? I dont see any point in it to have them grow old and die in jail

saving money is important, but killing people to save money isn't reslly ??? a good way to save money ??

 

[Reindeer]

But they are immensely different in severity....... what

are you incapable of understanding analogies

 

[seliph]

I get what you're saying, but wouldn't it be easier to just stick them in lifetime jail? I don't really see why we have to kill them.

Honestly I don't know what's easier 'cause I don't know what the process is

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are you incapable of understanding analogies

Are you incapable of maybe explaining a situation rather than being condescending

 

[visibleghost]

I have a huge problem with "be the bigger person" because it's often used as a like "let people walk all over you and take advantage of you without any consequences"

Not saying it's being used like that in this thread but.... yeah I just hate the mentality that's usually behind it



But they are immensely different in severity....... what

that's true (i rly hate when ppl basically tell others to let bullies bully them because doing snything is Just As Bad As Them)
but in my example i was talking about the government and law and society n stuff should bbe the bigger person. we can't have a system that used petty revenge stuff ,, like that's not v cool at All

 

[Tensu]

Honestly I don't know what's easier 'cause I don't know what the process is

It's just that it's morally wrong to kill someone. Even if they deserve it.

 

[seliph]

It's just that it's morally wrong to kill someone. Even if they deserve it.

Morals are subjective though.

 

[f11]

that's true (i rly hate when ppl basically tell others to let bullies bully them because doing snything is Just As Bad As Them)
but in my example i was talking about the government and law and society n stuff should bbe the bigger person. we can't have a system that used petty revenge stuff ,, like that's not v cool at All

so me wanting the person who raped me and ruined my life to die is petty revenge??? alright.

 

[visibleghost]

Morals are subjective though.

well ok but everyone has human rights.. n life is one of them ..

 

[-Apples-]

Everyone deserves the right to life. No one has the right to take a life from you. Not the killer or the person dealing the punishment. No one.

Sorry to say, but I'm not very soft on these types of people.

 

[Reindeer]

Are you incapable of maybe explaining a situation rather than being condescending

Azure never said that hitting a person is as bad as raping or killing a person. They were using an analogy to explain the faulty logic.
A person going "they hit me so I'm going to hit them back" sounds very similar to "they killed a person so we're going to kill them back". The post they responded to at the time was the same "eye for an eye" logic, hence the use of a simple and appropriate analogy.

 

[Tensu]

Morals are subjective though.

People are for capital punishment because they killed someone so they deserve death. However, this is going against what they're saying. If it's not ok for the killer to kill someone, it's not ok for ANYONE to kill anyone. Morals are morals no matter the circumstances. No one has the right to murder.

 

[visibleghost]

Sorry to say, but I'm not very soft on these types of people.

w "these types", do u mean killers and rapists etc?

becuase, like. no offense but they sre humsns.... and have human rights.. and human rights can't be taken from u because you "don't deserve them"..,,.

 

[mogyay]

as long as the justice system is failing people then you simply can't send someone to their death, the system isn't infallible, it's often corrupt and biased and i'm not willing to send one innocent person to die, i don't think that's right

 

[Miii]

No one is saying the the said person should not be punished for his crime. We are saying that no one has the right to take another's life. There are other forms of punishments you know. Just because the criminal killed another person does not make it ok for people to give him the death penalty.

I understand that there are other forms of punishment, and I'm not saying that every person that kills someone should be sentenced to death. If you kill someone in a drunk driving accident, I think you should get a lengthy prison sentence, and have time to reflect on the poor choice you made by choosing to drink and drive (because you had no intent to kill someone). If you, on the other hand, kill your two kids in front of your other two kids, cut them into pieces, and put them in them in the freezer for two years so you can keep earning money off them, then you no longer deserve rights, sympathy, pity, help or anything else. At that point, you're a burden to the rest of us that have to live knowing your psychotic ass is out there.

 

[visibleghost]

so me wanting the person who raped me and ruined my life to die is petty revenge??? alright.

no. personal opinions =/= what a government should do.

believe me, i have ppl i want dead too. it's okay forcme to hate them and want them dead. but if the government kills them for **** they did to me, then that's petty revenge .

 

[Tensu]

Sorry to say, but I'm not very soft on these types of people.

I don't like them either, but they're still human and deserve rights.

 

[visibleghost]

I understand that there are other forms of punishment, and I'm not saying that every person that kills someone should be sentenced to death. If you kill someone in a drunk driving accident, I think you should get a lengthy prison sentence, and have time to reflect on the poor choice you made by choosing to drink and drive (because you had no intent to kill someone). If you, on the other hand, kill your two kids in front of your other two kids, cut them into pieces, and put them in them in the freezer for two years so you can keep earning money off them, then you no longer deserve rights, sympathy, pity, help or anything else. At that point, you're a burden to the rest of us that have to live knowing your psychotic ass is out there.

slow down w/ the ableism would ya?

yes the second thing is worse But . still a human w/ human eights, even tho theyre a horrible person.

 

[-Apples-]

w "these types", do u mean killers and rapists etc?

becuase, like. no offense but they sre humans.... and have human rights.. and human rights can't be taken from u because you "don't deserve them"..,,.

What I mean is what I talked about in that long post. Accidental killers and rapists don't have enough potent for that, but I'm talking first-degree murderers, second-degree murderers, the child abusers and animal abusers that commit physical abuse out of hate, war criminals, and terrorists.

It's not that it's immoral to punish people with death, but it's rather unethical.