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then...y did you discuss it
do people with self inflicted medical issues deserve help?
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then...y did you discuss it
IDK why this should be even a yes/no thing because people deserve help, no matter what. Alcoholism or cigarette smoking for example is like some people's way of coping. Maybe they kinda loathe themselves and want to punish themselves. Others might think they gave up on asking help when it's because they think they don't deserve help. (When they do.) Same goes to self-harm.
For people harming themselves over memes (tide pods or w.e) it's just na?ve thinking or wanting to impress peers or people. They just need some guidance. Considering most who jump into that trend are teenagers.
tl;dr, they deserve help no matter what, just be patient.
For people harming themselves over memes (tide pods or w.e) it's just na?ve thinking or wanting to impress peers or people. They just need some guidance. Considering most who jump into that trend are teenagers.
tl;dr, they deserve help no matter what, just be patient.
It's so strange to see americans talk about this kinda thing, your whole system is pretty backwards when it's like..... if you're poor and decide to try to commit suicide do you deserve any help ? Can't afford it? Well guess you're just going to be left permanently damaged then after that failed suicide attempt, sorry Billy.
Here if you're under a certain income limit it's all free, and over that there's some things that are free and some things that are not. America scares the hell outta me, that and your food tastes like ass.
As for drug use, there is personal accountability, if it were up to me, I would offer a program to help people get off their addiction, but once your reintegrate into society you have to pay money to the service that helped you in the hope that they can help others. Drug addiction is something I really cannot pity, because you know what, I've had a hard time of life but I got on without it. I have a brain disorder wherein sometimes I will experience stroke like symptoms and SEVERE headache (it will feel like my skull is being crushed, just like it really was ), I was in town once and this happened to me when I was on my own, and no one would help me because they thought I was on drugs. A bit of a tangent, but I can't pity people who are doing this to themselves when I would do anything to not have these problems.
Here if you're under a certain income limit it's all free, and over that there's some things that are free and some things that are not. America scares the hell outta me, that and your food tastes like ass.
As for drug use, there is personal accountability, if it were up to me, I would offer a program to help people get off their addiction, but once your reintegrate into society you have to pay money to the service that helped you in the hope that they can help others. Drug addiction is something I really cannot pity, because you know what, I've had a hard time of life but I got on without it. I have a brain disorder wherein sometimes I will experience stroke like symptoms and SEVERE headache (it will feel like my skull is being crushed, just like it really was ), I was in town once and this happened to me when I was on my own, and no one would help me because they thought I was on drugs. A bit of a tangent, but I can't pity people who are doing this to themselves when I would do anything to not have these problems.
visibleghost
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it sucks that you have those issues but i dont get why your experience would mean that people who do take drugs are weak or bad lol
The impression a lot of people have of alcoholics and people addicted to drugs is one of the few things that actually saddens me.
To answer, as a whole, yes. It gets more complicated believing some people are entitled to help when others aren't, I'm not one to play god, it's not my place. I think if someone needs help, self-inflicted or not, they should get equal care.
To answer, as a whole, yes. It gets more complicated believing some people are entitled to help when others aren't, I'm not one to play god, it's not my place. I think if someone needs help, self-inflicted or not, they should get equal care.
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I think they deserve help when they do something stupid, we all do stupid things and we need to learn from our stupid mistakes to prevent further stupidity.
They shouldn't suffer because of their lack of intelligence and/or lack of caution.
Self harmers (cutters, cigarette burners, etcetera) DEFINITELY need help because they are mentally ill/unstable and certainly don't deserve that amount of pain to their bodies, they think the opposite and we should make them see otherwise. I put them in a entirely different category than those who don't consider the consequences of their actions, these people can't help it and are not handled correctly at all; different methods for different people. Being harsh/blunt to them may help some but it certainly doesn't help the vast majority.
They shouldn't suffer because of their lack of intelligence and/or lack of caution.
Self harmers (cutters, cigarette burners, etcetera) DEFINITELY need help because they are mentally ill/unstable and certainly don't deserve that amount of pain to their bodies, they think the opposite and we should make them see otherwise. I put them in a entirely different category than those who don't consider the consequences of their actions, these people can't help it and are not handled correctly at all; different methods for different people. Being harsh/blunt to them may help some but it certainly doesn't help the vast majority.
I don't think agree with what you're saying. Free health care is certainly a pretty nifty thing to have correct? If it is free, then what point is there is not giving it to people who need help? If its for something dumb like eating a tide pod, then I'm pretty sure said person who ate the tide pod is going to need help or they'll die??
To address some of the things you've stated, the self harm/suicide attempts most definitely deserve it. Yes it was self inflicted, but there is probably an underlying cause to it. Perhaps said person had recently been going through a stretch of depression, and felt like their choice was the only option to stop their pain. To add onto what you said about tide pods, there are some people out there who might even eat one as a suicide attempt; its the same situation as drinking bleach.
Drug users also need help due to an inability to stop. I feel like this ties into the suicide/self harm sort of deal, just that it's a case of the user being victim to depression. Some people out there use illegal drugs as an escape from everything wrong in their lives and become reliant on them. Same way people drink alcohol to forget all of their worries. There are people who take drugs just for the hell of it, but by taking away healthcare from victims of drugs then you're denying people with real problems something to help them; which is precisely what would lead to suicide.
about gang violence...i somewhat agree with you on this one. What their doing is already illegal, so if they were caught and injured they more than likely would just get arrested and then be hospitalized. But, due to the way their living their life I honestly doubt that said person would have healthcare insurance and would just have to pay for everything themselves anyway, which I feel would only make the situation worse since they would go into debt.
And with plastic surgery stuff...i don't particularly know what to say about this one. I don't see this as self inflicted, mostly because what they're doing is them attempting to change their appearance. Yes it can cause medical issues, but I don't think said person fully knows that they're getting themselves into future medical complications.
Yeah, thats just my take on it. I think free healthcare is pretty nifty thing, and that if someone has an issue, they probably should get a doctor to help them without further complicating their lives.
To address some of the things you've stated, the self harm/suicide attempts most definitely deserve it. Yes it was self inflicted, but there is probably an underlying cause to it. Perhaps said person had recently been going through a stretch of depression, and felt like their choice was the only option to stop their pain. To add onto what you said about tide pods, there are some people out there who might even eat one as a suicide attempt; its the same situation as drinking bleach.
Drug users also need help due to an inability to stop. I feel like this ties into the suicide/self harm sort of deal, just that it's a case of the user being victim to depression. Some people out there use illegal drugs as an escape from everything wrong in their lives and become reliant on them. Same way people drink alcohol to forget all of their worries. There are people who take drugs just for the hell of it, but by taking away healthcare from victims of drugs then you're denying people with real problems something to help them; which is precisely what would lead to suicide.
about gang violence...i somewhat agree with you on this one. What their doing is already illegal, so if they were caught and injured they more than likely would just get arrested and then be hospitalized. But, due to the way their living their life I honestly doubt that said person would have healthcare insurance and would just have to pay for everything themselves anyway, which I feel would only make the situation worse since they would go into debt.
And with plastic surgery stuff...i don't particularly know what to say about this one. I don't see this as self inflicted, mostly because what they're doing is them attempting to change their appearance. Yes it can cause medical issues, but I don't think said person fully knows that they're getting themselves into future medical complications.
Yeah, thats just my take on it. I think free healthcare is pretty nifty thing, and that if someone has an issue, they probably should get a doctor to help them without further complicating their lives.
piercedhorizon
Senior Member
Short answer; Yes.
Longer answer; Everyone deserves some help wither it be their own fault or not. Everyone makes mistakes, wither it be /sigh/ eating laundry pods BUT you do something like that twice thats different. I also believe that people with mental health issues should be able to get help if needed, regardless of money. I do have experience with self harm & other issues such as that. But now if you are eatting laundry pods because you honestly dont know any difference you deserve help.
Longer answer; Everyone deserves some help wither it be their own fault or not. Everyone makes mistakes, wither it be /sigh/ eating laundry pods BUT you do something like that twice thats different. I also believe that people with mental health issues should be able to get help if needed, regardless of money. I do have experience with self harm & other issues such as that. But now if you are eatting laundry pods because you honestly dont know any difference you deserve help.
visibleghost
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are you replying to me lol or ???? because im pretty sure what you ”agree” and ”disagree” w me on is the examples i presented and not what i wrote my actual opinion was ....
anyway i don’t get how exactly you mean people who take drugs to deal with problems and people who take drugs because of other reasons have different degrees of Real problem status
KaydeeKrunk
The Late Great Turt
I think most self inflicted medical issues stem from deeper mental problems, which people deserve help for. Addiction is also deeply seeded and I believe people need/deserve help getting over it as well. I think if people seek help they deserve it, no matter what.
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