Do you approve of the job the President of the United States is doing?

[Hopeless Opus]

He was on a high horse and that comment was disrespectful. But like I said, people are lecherous. As long as it isn't advocating for sexual assault and is in private, then do it. There should be ethical standards but only to an extent, because people are lecherous. You, we can only prevent so much.

well in that case, i would not be surprised if trump cheated on melania before. i know he wasn't president at the time, but someone who is looked at as a prestigious person shouldn't even talk about stuff like that in public where he could get exposed, but really he shouldn't have been talking about it at all. you're right, there is only so much we can prevent. but this mentality that it's ok to promote it/express it behind closed doors is why there is so much rape and even justification for rapists today. that's like saying, don't abuse your wife in public, do that at home because it's fine at home. oh, don't rape that girl in the alleyway while she's drunk, do it at home instead where no one will ever find out because that's so unethical. it's NOT fine at home or anywhere else ever, actually.

"oh he couldn't control himself, it was his desire" "maybe if she hadn't worn that, she wouldn't have made them want to rape her" "she had every right to rape him because she had the desire to". instead of promoting the idea that it's okay to talk about sexually assaulting people behind closed doors we should instead be teaching people that it's wrong to do or that it's wrong to desire to do it behind closed doors.

 

[animalcrisscross]

because developed countries surely don't have these sort of societal issues either

also, there was nothing about consent in what he said. that was purely framed as an excuse and nothing more

not nearly on the same scale. not even close.

"they'll let you do anything" = consent.

 

[Haskell]

not nearly on the same scale. not even close.

"they'll let you do anything" = consent.

I didn't know rape was consent.

I don't think you're being communicative enough. You aren't getting your point across well.

 

[Hopeless Opus]

there is rape here. rape is bad. we punish rapists. that's not a rape culture.

uh lol not all rapists are punished, most are let off with the excuse of 'mental illness' or they get a sob story like "omg he was so young and he had such a good life ahead of him... he was the basketball star, now this will ruin his life".

 

[LambdaDelta]

not nearly on the same scale. not even close.

"they'll let you do anything" = consent.

wow, I didn't know that just saying other people will let me do stuff meant that I can do it. because surely they don't need to speak for themselves

"rape culture doesn't exist in america" - words from a cishet male probably

 

[Haskell]

uh lol not all rapists are punished, most are let off with the excuse of 'mental illness' or they get a sob story like "omg he was so young and he had such a good life ahead of him... he was the basketball star, now this will ruin his life".

I understand both of these points.

What he's saying, trying to say is that rape is more common in third-world countries.

There are rich people, athletes, et cetera that do get away with rape in this great nation of ours and it's wrong. Doesn't matter if a girl or a boy gets raped. If you rape anyone, you should be severely punished.

 

[seliph]

also, there was nothing about consent in what he said. that was purely framed as an excuse and nothing more

To add to this, rapists, those who defend them, and general creeps have a really skewed view of what consent means in the first place (claiming wearing revealing clothing is asking for it, claiming being completely wasted is consenting) so like hell I'll take Trump's word on anything to do with consent.

America doesn't have a rape culture. there is rape here. rape is bad. we punish rapists.

You punish hackers and people with marijuana more than you punish rapists. Especially if said rapist is a white guy in school.

Edit: And how can I forget all the athletes who got no punishment at all because they're big stars who make big money, and so the media pressures their victim(s) into backing down? Looking at you, Patrick Kane.

joking about rape does not make you more likely to rape.

No one said otherwise.

i care more about the women in those countries than the people here who think that mansplaining, manspreading, catcalling, locker room talk, and dad jokes perpetuate rape culture and misogyny. women aren't victims here.

Again, just because something is less of a problem doesn't mean it's not a problem. I don't see the big problem with say manspreading (I think it's stupid and makes people look stupid if they're taking it too far) but catcalling and locker room talk are misogynistic without a doubt. You're treating women like they're objects.

 

[Haskell]

To add to this, rapists, those who defend them, and general creeps have a really skewed view of what consent means in the first place (claiming wearing revealing clothing is asking for it, claiming being completely wasted is consenting) so like hell I'll take Trump's word on anything to do with consent.



You punish hackers and people with marijuana more than you punish rapists. Especially if said rapist is a white guy in school.



No one said otherwise.



Again, just because something is less of a problem doesn't mean it's not a problem. I don't see the big problem with say manspreading (I think it's stupid and makes people look stupid if they're taking it too far) but catcalling and locker room talk are misogynistic without a doubt. You're treating women like they're objects.

I agree with most of what g y r o said. Except for that 'white' part. I don't agree with that. Also the first paragraph/reply was kind of confusing on what point you were trying to get across.

 

[LambdaDelta]

and yeah, joking about rape of course doesn't mean you're more likely to be a rapist

but it does normalize rape as a joke and empowers those that would commit sexual assault

 

[Haskell]

empowers those that would commit sexual assault

To a certain extent, yes.

 

[seliph]

I agree with most of what g y r o said. Except for that 'white' part. I don't agree with that. Also the first paragraph/reply was kind of confusing on what point you were trying to get across.

Random question but why do you space my name out?

Also white rapists definitely get less punishment. They always get the sob stories Opus mentioned meanwhile a black guy gets "animal" "thug" etc. slapped by his name, which I guess he should in the case of being a rapist, but so should everyone else who has done the same thing.

 

[Haskell]

Random question but why do you space my name out?

Also white rapists definitely get less punishment. They always get the sob stories Opus mentioned meanwhile a black guy gets "animal" "thug" etc. slapped by his name, which I guess he should in the case of being a rapist, but so should everyone else who has done the same thing.

I thought it was spaced out. My apologies.

I can understand what you're saying. I don't think I 100% agree with it. Mainly b/c it's embracing the stigma, "white people suck" among many people.

 

[Hopeless Opus]

Random question but why do you space my name out?

Also white rapists definitely get less punishment. They always get the sob stories Opus mentioned meanwhile a black guy gets "animal" "thug" etc. slapped by his name, which I guess he should in the case of being a rapist, but so should everyone else who has done the same thing.

this is very true, rape is the same crime for everyone and it's a sick, disgusting crime and everyone should be punished the same no matter what the situation/circumstances were of their 'mental health' and white rapists should not be getting less punishment than rapists of color JUST because of their colors. they all committed the same crime and therefore they all deserve years and years of jail for it, no one should be treated special because they're privileged and white

 

[Haskell]

this is very true, rape is the same crime for everyone and it's a sick, disgusting crime and everyone should be punished the same no matter what the situation/circumstances were of their 'mental health' and white rapists should not be getting less punishment than rapists of color JUST because of their colors. they all committed the same crime and therefore they all deserve years and years of jail for it, no one should be treated special because they're privileged and white

In most cases, white people aren't privileged because their white. I'm not saying there aren't incidents.

But more of the time those incidents are because they're rich, not white.

 

[forestyne]

Random question but why do you space my name out?

Also white rapists definitely get less punishment. They always get the sob stories Opus mentioned meanwhile a black guy gets "animal" "thug" etc. slapped by his name, which I guess he should in the case of being a rapist, but so should everyone else who has done the same thing.

I thought you had your username spaced out at one point, maybe I was wrong.

It's not fair that black people are treated differently than whites. If they do the exact same thing, they should get the same level of justice. It's not the 1950's, people.

Brock Turner (white male, bright student, athlete) = six months in jail, only serves three months
Brian Banks (black male, bright student, athlete) = five years in jail, did not even commit the crime

 

[animalcrisscross]

uh lol not all rapists are punished, most are let off with the excuse of 'mental illness' or they get a sob story like "omg he was so young and he had such a good life ahead of him... he was the basketball star, now this will ruin his life".

yeah. sometimes criminals don't get convicted. it's not just in rape cases. some rapists in other countries don't even have to stand trial. the justice system will never be perfect. doesn't mean we have a rape culture. i'd like to see your proof that "most are let off with the excuse of 'mental illness' or . . . a sob story"

wow, I didn't know that just saying other people will let me do stuff meant that I can do it. because surely they don't need to speak for themselves

"rape culture doesn't exist in america" - words from a cishet male probably

he never actually did anything though. he made an assumption. it's probably wrong. you can't just assume he'd grab everyone by the ***** even if they didn't let him. as far as we know, every ***** he's grabbed has been grabbed with consent.

i'm going to assume cishet means rational. just wondering, in your opinion, is there anywhere in the world where rape culture doesn't exist?

 

[Haskell]

I thought you had your username spaced out at one point, maybe I was wrong.

It's not fair that black people are treated differently than whites. If they do the exact same thing, they should get the same level of justice. It's not the 1950's, people.

Brock Turner (white male, bright student, athlete) = six months in jail, only serves three months
Brian Banks (black male, bright student, athlete) = five years in jail, did not even commit the crime

It's b/c Brock Turner was rich. Didn't his father also have ties to the "justice" system?

 

[seliph]

I thought it was spaced out. My apologies.

I can understand what you're saying. I don't think I 100% agree with it. Mainly b/c it's embracing the stigma, "white people suck" among many people.

There isn't a "white people suck" stigma though. "White people suck" does not affect anything on a large scale. You won't lose your job, be less likely to be hired, be automatically criminalized/racially profiled by the police, you aren't widely considered less attractive because of your skin tone, and first and foremost, people don't think you're less of a human or that you deserve to be dead because of the "white people suck" thing. All it's doing is combating the privileges that white people have and what we're discussing is an example of that. That's why people say "**** white people" and so on, and honestly no matter what it still won't create any stigma around being white 'cause you guys have the advantage.

I thought you had your username spaced out at one point, maybe I was wrong.

I never have, I've never even liked spaced out names.
What's with yall D:

i'm going to assume cishet means rational

LMAO

 

[forestyne]

It's b/c Brock Turner was rich. Didn't his father also have ties to the "justice" system?

I believe he did, yes. Doesn't make it any more right. That's not the only criminal injustice.

"There is the case of Corey Batey, a black former Vanderbilt University student, also an outstanding sportsman, who in April was convicted — much like Turner — of raping an unconscious, fellow classmate when he was 19 years old in 2013. He received a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 15-25 years, a far cry from Turner's three months." Source.

Not even close to each other.

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[animalcrisscross]

i can't keep up with all of this. i got a town that needs mayoring. i'll respond later.

the only rape culture in America is in our prison system.