Donald Trump rape allegations?
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Fleshy
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I don't think that we, as outsiders, should really have strong opinions on this, I mean, of course we will, but there's really know way that's we'd know regardless. Rape and rape allegations are serious and need to be dealt with seriously. Of course false rape allegations are more than awful, but I don't think it should be brushed under the carpet, I'm not saying he's guilty, but I don't think he should be assumed innocent either, it should be dealt with legally.
@DarkDesetFox, I believe that Trumps first wife accused him of rape back in 1989, although she later changed her statement, so I'm not too sure what happened there. Also in 1997 another woman accused Trump of sexual assault and attempted rape, so he has had past allegations against him.
@DarkDesetFox, I believe that Trumps first wife accused him of rape back in 1989, although she later changed her statement, so I'm not too sure what happened there. Also in 1997 another woman accused Trump of sexual assault and attempted rape, so he has had past allegations against him.
seliph
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This isn't the first time he's been accused of rape/sexual harassment though. Of course more people would come forward now because why would they want their rapist to be able to run for president let alone be the president? It takes a lot to admit to being a victim of something like that, especially when the perpetrator is someone who's huge in the public eye because as you see, people automatically load up their misogyny catapults and fling their insults along with their accusations of them being liars and gold diggers.
I don't know what's possibly "convenient" about it anyways when no one's talking about it most media outlets from what I've seen haven't touched it for more than 5 minutes.
Until I see evidence that it's not true, I'm going to be.... extra weary about Trump, not that I didn't already think he was terrible.
A lot of people like to say that when people are accused of this stuff, they should be considered innocent until proven guilty, but if we aren't even a little suspicious, aren't we basically just saying we think the potential victims are liars until proven truthful? In situations like this, you really have to pick a side, because even remaining neutral benefits one party more than the other.
A lot of people like to say that when people are accused of this stuff, they should be considered innocent until proven guilty, but if we aren't even a little suspicious, aren't we basically just saying we think the potential victims are liars until proven truthful? In situations like this, you really have to pick a side, because even remaining neutral benefits one party more than the other.
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I don't think waiting for the legal process to play out before judging an individual is the same as accusing the alleged victim of lying. If Trump were to win the election and he were tried and convicted of rape, he'd be impeached. It's not fair to disqualify Trump from running for president just because of the possibility that he might be guilty. Unfortunately, there are people who make up stories about rape and that's why we cannot automatically assume guilt. I think it's more appropriate to judge Trump based on the reasons we know he's a bad candidate rather than the reasons we might think he's a bad candidate.
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Mink777
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If you are asking about the media part, then it is common sense. I don't have proof, but it wouldn't really make sense for a 70 year old billionaire to waste his time raping people.
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Eh, whatever. All I know is that several Republican politicians have been involved in scandals such as these, like Dennis Hastert and Mark Foley.
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He is 70. He turned 70 back in June.
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He is 70. He turned 70 back in June.
It's really not good to assume that someone couldn't be a predator based on their age or how much money they have.
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But a lot of people do blame the victim of lying. There are so many people in this thread who, without a shred of doubt, claim that he has not raped anyone. Not that there is no proof, not that they are suspicious, but 100% claim fully that he has not raped someone. And by doing so, they are automatically claiming that the victim is lying, because there is no way you can claim that a rape accusation was false without claiming that the person who made it is a liar, which we have no proof of as far as I know.
Anyways, I wasn't talking about whether people accused of bad things should be automatically dropped from being candidates, that's something that as a non-assault survivor I don't think is my place to talk about, but there is a difference between forcing him to drop out of the elections, and acting as if nothing ever happened. We may not be able to take legal action on someone based on accusations alone, but people are allowed to not trust these people, people are allowed to draw their own conclusions, people are allowed to stop supporting people they believe to be predators.
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Nooooooooooo. Sex offenders come in all shapes, sizes, genders, tax brackets, etc. Never assume that someone wouldn't do something horrible because of their age or wealth. Seriously.
Edit: not saying he's a rapist. But I think it's plausible, just like it's plausible that Billy Clinton is a rapist. Both have been plagued by claims for decades.
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seliph
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"It wouldn't make sense"? What does that mean? It doesn't make sense to rape anyone yet it still happens. It doesn't make sense to murder, be a bigot, or rob a bank either but people will still do it. Their age and wealth have nothing to do with it.
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As a victim of a (minor) sexual assault, I can - and have had to - attest to the fact that someone being "old" is absolutely no hindrance to their ability to commit a sexual assault if they so choose. I have since learned that it's standard for these predators to evolve their methods as they age and use their increasingly "elderly" status as both a shield (from suspicion) and a weapon (by appearing harmless and vulnerable) in order to continue to gain access to victims. Which is exactly what my attacker did and his conviction for his crime against me was his very first despite all indications of him having been a lifelong predator.
"Fun" fact : he was on the board of a private girls school for years and his particular role gave him direct, non-supervised access to teenage girls. At the time of my attack I was an adult but looked, at absolute most, 15.
Bonus "fun" fact : he and his family testified on his behalf that he was a good man who spent a great deal of time volunteering at a private girls school which he should be allowed to keep doing (.. being convicted would obviously put a stop to that) - with no apparent awareness of the implications of their words.. yeah, that was a fun couple days. He was convicted at the age of 68 from memory. I'm sure to this day he's still claiming he was wrongfully convicted, assuming he's alive. Serial predators lie, even when caught and convicted.
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These are not the first rape and sexual assault allegations made against Trump, his name has been synonymous with "sleazy predator" for as long as I've known about him. From memory these were made public in the 80s but he was never charged despite his ex-wife's testimony. Whether he is guilty or not in a court of law is a matter for the legal system to decide if things progress to that point. But he is currently innocent in the eyes of the justice system. Likewise, so are the people alleging he raped and/or sexually assaulted them. They, as individuals, have NO burden of proof obligations - and they are definitely not "guilty until proven innocent" (i.e. Trump is found guilty = they were telling the truth).
In the meantime Trump is now a public figure seeking the highest political office in the US. He went from businessman to reality show figure to presidential candidate. That's quite a leap. I'd be very curious to know what went on during the background checks done when vetting and approving him as a candidate - that's something I'm sure we'll get to read about in a tell-all bestseller or two soon enough though.
"Fun" fact : he was on the board of a private girls school for years and his particular role gave him direct, non-supervised access to teenage girls. At the time of my attack I was an adult but looked, at absolute most, 15.
Bonus "fun" fact : he and his family testified on his behalf that he was a good man who spent a great deal of time volunteering at a private girls school which he should be allowed to keep doing (.. being convicted would obviously put a stop to that) - with no apparent awareness of the implications of their words.. yeah, that was a fun couple days. He was convicted at the age of 68 from memory. I'm sure to this day he's still claiming he was wrongfully convicted, assuming he's alive. Serial predators lie, even when caught and convicted.
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These are not the first rape and sexual assault allegations made against Trump, his name has been synonymous with "sleazy predator" for as long as I've known about him. From memory these were made public in the 80s but he was never charged despite his ex-wife's testimony. Whether he is guilty or not in a court of law is a matter for the legal system to decide if things progress to that point. But he is currently innocent in the eyes of the justice system. Likewise, so are the people alleging he raped and/or sexually assaulted them. They, as individuals, have NO burden of proof obligations - and they are definitely not "guilty until proven innocent" (i.e. Trump is found guilty = they were telling the truth).
In the meantime Trump is now a public figure seeking the highest political office in the US. He went from businessman to reality show figure to presidential candidate. That's quite a leap. I'd be very curious to know what went on during the background checks done when vetting and approving him as a candidate - that's something I'm sure we'll get to read about in a tell-all bestseller or two soon enough though.
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