Fire Emblem Fates General Discussion: Filled with Nohrian Scum

[Matt0106]

Don't let Fates' character designs misguide you. Intelligent Systems had pride at one point that they have since thrown away for the sake of pandering to horny teenagers.

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It's not going to represent the series very well. Every game before Fates had weapon durability. Weapons would get worn out and break after so many uses and you'd need to buy replacements with gold you earn.

Birthright is also, like Awakening, very straightforward and not the least bit complex. As in, there aren't varied mission objectives. In past games, and in Conquest, there are objectives like Defend where you need to defend against waves of enemies for a set number of turns. There were also things like Escape where you need to run to a certain spot to leave the map, and Seize where your Lord character needs to seize a throne or other specific space to end the map. Awakening and Birthright are just kill everything (rout) and defeat the boss.

I encourage you to either try one of the older games or pick up Conquest (once we have more to go on than word of mouth from people who played the Japanese version) at some point if you want an actual idea of what to expect.

There are difficulty settings, so you can ease your way into learning. But if you don't learn how to strategize, you'll never improve.

But if they are new and want to start fresh without changing difficulty, Birthright is a good choice. That's what I'm starting, even if I am getting all three. There isn't anything wrong with their choice

 

[Halloqueen]

But if they are new and want to start fresh without changing difficulty, Birthright is a good choice. That's what I'm starting, even if I am getting all three. There isn't anything wrong with their choice

I'm not saying it's a bad choice or calling Fates a bad game. I'm saying that if he wants an impression of the series as a whole, it's not a good indicator of what the rest of the games are like.

 

[Matt0106]

I'm just finding out about the special edition and really regret not getting into fire emblem sooner! I could've preordered the special edition

Don't worry! You aren't the only one... I wanted it too!!! :'(

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I'm not saying it's a bad choice or calling Fates a bad game. I'm saying that if he wants an impression of the series as a whole, it's not a good indicator of what the rest of the games are like.

Ah ok! Sorry I didn't read it fully at first. Never mind then

 

[bloomwaker]

To be honest, I'm not very good at video games. Had Awakening not had the options that it did, I would have probably gotten a bit discouraged, maybe more than "a bit", and given up on the FE franchise entirely.

That being said, my last three files have been on Lunatic Classic because I was able to learn by slowly building up my skills through the different difficulties. I'm probably going to play casual for the three games coming out because I get really frustrated if I can't get through the main story, and then replay the games on the harder difficulties like I ended up doing with Awakening. Time to have NO LIFE. I'm really looking forward to Conquest especially.

 

[Ashtot]

Don't let Fates' character designs misguide you. Intelligent Systems had pride at one point that they have since thrown away for the sake of pandering to horny teenagers.

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I see your Titania but raise you a Sonia from FE7.

It's true that there has been increasing fanservice in newer games, but it has been there for a while, and it's typical of Japanese games.

 

[Halloqueen]

I see your Titania but raise you a Sonia from FE7.

It's true that there has been increasing fanservice in newer games, but it has been there for a while, and it's typical of Japanese games.

True, but magic users in Fire Emblem and most other things don't generally wear armor. Titania is a Paladin and as such used weapons instead of magic, thus the need for armor. The mages have less need of it because they're not on the front line, instead doing their damage from a distance. Whether that's a good enough reason to not wear armor is up for debate, but it's the commonly used trope.

Has sex appeal been there for a long time? Yes, if you want to find it. But it wasn't always outright pandering and it was never so widespread.

I don't care how good of a fighter Charlotte supposedly is. If anyone hit her with any sort of weapon she's toast. It's ridiculous. It's equally dumb for older characters like Hawkeye. If you want to get right down to it, it takes away from story integrity by lessening the believability.

I'll take soldiers dressing appropriately for a battlefield over Fates' boob windows, general skimpiness, and many characters not even wearing shoes because "look guys they have feet now!" Gonna be a whole lot of people missing toes or an entire foot doing something like that when you're swinging around swords and axes.

 

[toastermonster]

I'm really bummed out because like 6 of my friends (who are also in my Japanese class which I have like, every day) are getting it (like 2 are getting the special edition too) and i'm not getting it at all because of budgeting :'(

On the character design topic, I like seeing my units wear armor too but tbh I never understood the armor like Kjelle or Kellam (I can't comment on the older games because Awakening was the first one I really got to play since I got stuck on the first GBA fairly quickly so I dropped it)

 

[Halloqueen]

I'm really bummed out because like 6 of my friends (who are also in my Japanese class which I have like, every day) are getting it (like 2 are getting the special edition too) and i'm not getting it at all because of budgeting :'(

On the character design topic, I like seeing my units wear armor too but tbh I never understood the armor like Kjelle or Kellam (I can't comment on the older games because Awakening was the first one I really got to play since I got stuck on the first GBA fairly quickly so I dropped it)

The armor for the knights in Awakening is pretty terrible. It's so massive that it makes relatively skinny people look gigantic. It's a poor indicator of the older designs, though knights have had their share of pretty dumb designs in the GBA games. In character art it looks alright, but in the sprites for the GBA games the knights look like they wear their shield in front of the rest of their armor and then take it off when they attack, to, ya know, use it as a shield.

Example of artwork and sprite:

 

[Mars Adept]

I agree about the whole feet thing. Corrin would not survive outside, even when not in battle. Theres all sorts of sharp rocks and stuff out there. If he/she stepped on a lego in the modern day world, then, well...

In fact, I don't get Fates' characters' outfits' designs at all.

 

[Thunder]

I kinda like the oversized pauldrons on the Awakening knight's designs, but that's about it. With how wide the torso is, the arms and legs look shorter, makes Kellam look like a chubby, metal baby. At least he gets a giant carrot when promoted.

I'd like it if they brought back the GBA General's design in some way, most importantly the chain tether used on lances and axes.

 

[Ayaya]

Nintendo added pictures that illustrates some characters' supports on their website: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/if_bk/scene/index.html#c01

Support includes:
- Ryoma x Sakura
- Kazahana x Setsuna
- Saizou x Oboro
- Marx x Elise
- Odin x Lazwald
- Joker x Felicia

It's in Japanese and it includes some C-A supports so there are light spoilers, but it's good to check them out once you've seen the support in English!

There's also some wallpapers you can use on your PC and smartphones: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/fe/if_bk/download/index.html

 

[bloomwaker]

I can't read Japanese, so there's a pretty low risk of spoilers for me, haha.

And these wallpapers~ I immediately had the urge to go for the one with Camilla on it, lol.

 

[Cam1]

If you REALLY need one of those three, then Conquest. I made a HUGE mistake getting a newer game though. I'd recommend one of the older ones, or else you will never be able to handle the insane difficulty.

... You do realize the older games are HARDER, right?

Anyway, Im extremely excited about this game (I have the special edition preordered!), and can't wait to get my hands on it

 

[Mars Adept]

Yeah, I meant the insane difficulty of the older ones if he/she ever wants to play those.

I just don't think a game that focuses on wives a lot will be decent for a beginner.

 

[Damniel]

Can't wait to get conquest! Couldn't preorder the special edition so I'll be playing/buying them with rests in between so I don't speed through all the games.

 

[JCnator]

Well, it turns out the face-rubbing feature hasn't been entirely cut. According to GameSpot, it looks like it'll occurs when an unit has a S or A+ support with Corrin, rather than letting it happening on every other rank. And that's only used for waking your marriage partner up.

Source: http://nintendoeverything.com/fire-...ll-has-face-rubbing-under-certain-conditions/

 

[Ayaya]

Well, it turns out the face-rubbing feature hasn't been entirely cut. According to GameSpot, it looks like it'll occurs when an unit has a S or A+ support with Corrin, rather than letting it happening on every other rank. And that's only used for waking your marriage partner up.

Source: http://nintendoeverything.com/fire-...ll-has-face-rubbing-under-certain-conditions/

In the preview copies it showed characters who aren't S/A+ being able to called to Private Quarters though. At least someone called Felicia to their room as soon as they unlocked My Castle.

 

[Halloqueen]

Yeah, I meant the insane difficulty of the older ones if he/she ever wants to play those.

I just don't think a game that focuses on wives a lot will be decent for a beginner.

The older installments aren't insanely difficult unless you go out of your way to pick the highest difficulty level. They teach you the mechanics early on, but they don't hold your hand other than in a few optional tutorials. They expect you to be willing to learn and adapt tactics in a tactical war game. Not asking too much considering "Why would you buy this if you don't care about the genre?"

I highly encourage people to try the older ones. The only thing you have to worry about is permadeath, which you can undo by resetting. They're not giant terrifying behemoths if the player is willing to actually learn what they're doing. Then when you think you're ready you can try the more challenging higher difficulties.


As far as the face rubbing goes? *Long, drawn out sigh*

 

[bloomwaker]

Is there a way to play the older ones without:

1. Emulating
2. Using a home console

?

I suppose I'd use the home console if I really had to, considering I like my WiiU, but I really don't want to emulate, I just don't have quite as much fun that way for some reason.

 

[Halloqueen]

Is there a way to play the older ones without:

1. Emulating
2. Using a home console

?

I suppose I'd use the home console if I really had to, considering I like my WiiU, but I really don't want to emulate, I just don't have quite as much fun that way for some reason.

It's a case by case basis, and 1-6 were Japanese exclusive, so the only way to experience them is through emulation with an English patch or by actually knowing how to read Japanese and importing it if you can find them.

7, known here simply as Fire Emblem, can be purchased on the Wii U Virtual Console.

8, Sacred Stones, can also be purchased on the Wii U Virtual Console. It was available on the 3DS, but only to 3DS Ambassadors, meaning the people who purchased a 3DS before its first price drop.

9, Path of Radiance, is one of the hardest to acquire. It was released on the GameCube, and since no current Nintendo console allows you to buy GameCube games via Virtual Console, you can't just buy it from the comfort of home. It's great, but it comes with basically the highest pricetag of any Fire Emblem on sites like eBay or Amazon. Your best bet, unless you find it in the wild at a game store or something, is unfortunately emulation. For information's sake, this is the first game with Ike.

10, Radiant Dawn, is also hard to find but not nearly as much. It was released for the Wii and you can still sometimes find it in a GameStop or something if they still have a used Wii section. It's also a bit pricey, but not as much as Path of Radiance. It's a great game but not really a "my first Fire Emblem" sort of game. It's a direct sequel to Path of Radiance set in the same world with the same characters showing up.

11, Shadow Dragon, you can find at Gamestop or elsewhere in their DS cases. That's where I found my copy. It's a remake of Fire Emblem 1, and as such shows Marth's first adventure.

12, Heroes of Light and Shadow, wasn't released outside of Japan (likely due to poor sales here of Shadow Dragon) and is a remake of Fire Emblem 3, so it's a sequel to Shadow Dragon. The only way to experience this is, like the other Japanese exclusive games, either knowing how to read Japanese and importing or emulating with an English patch.

TL;DR no, you can't buy any of them on the 3DS. But 7 and 8, both good games, are available on the Wii U. I think Shadow Dragon also got released on Wii U Virtual Console but only in Europe.