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[PunchyTheCat]

k good

 

[Antonio]

5 votes, want to end the day early?

 

[cornimer]

I say sure

 

[PunchyTheCat]

YEE

 

[Antonio]

I need atleast the majority of users agreeing...

 

[Dolby]

Fine

Yay

Was hoping to be able to re-ev, but I don't think I have time. I'm near certain Punchy is town and Vanessa/Dad really doesn't make sense

 

[Antonio]

Game is over - Mafia won.

Everyone voted for Bianca expect for her, she voted for Dolby. She was the flipper.

By the time night 2 ended, Mafia would've picked another town making the user count 2 Mafia and one Town.

Punchy and Dad were Mafia.

How did i do?

 

[Dolby]

Oof

We literally had to play perfectly and oof

There's a meme of a guy stealing a wheel from a women in a wheelchair that I to use to make a meme about Vanessa and the D1 lynch

Ngl, I thought that Dad's signaling to the flipper was him saying that he was flipper (I knew that flipper knew who they were and just choose not to contest the point), and tried to claim and signal that I was flipper hoping that mafia would kill Dad. Didn't work out

 

[Antonio]

Bianca did say she was the flipper.

 

[Dolby]

Balance wise that was horrible. The earlier fuchsia mafia (which you prob based this on) was probably actually balanced (if slightly scumsided), scum just happened to have a bad game that time

The game was effectively a 4v3 due to the existence of a flipper(dependent on if flipper flipped before N3, and what's the point of a flipper if it wasn't flipped before then), with town being forced to vote perfectly every day. The game could've ended when the N1 kill occured because at that point a town win was impossible

Maf having a confirmable ability probably made it all worse.

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Bianca did say she was the flipper.

Yeah I thought it was a scum play

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Toads you can't give me flack for this, you did literally nothing except lash out at me because I tried to make a case on you to early when I was the only one doing ****

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If Punchy didn't have that ability he would have been insta lynched

 

[Antonio]

Balance wise that was horrible. The earlier fuchsia mafia (which you prob based this on) was probably actually balanced (if slightly scumsided), scum just happened to have a bad game that time

The game was effectively a 4v3 due to the existence of a flipper(dependent on if flipper flipped before N3, and what's the point of a flipper if it wasn't flipped before then), with town being forced to vote perfectly every day. The game could've ended when the N1 kill occured because at that point a town win was impossible

Maf having a confirmable ability probably made it all worse.

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Yeah I thought it was a scum play

I mean, it wasn't that unbalanced. There was a cop (so vanessa had a confirmable role also) role and other roles that effected game night. The flipper would've flipped on Day 3, giving Town 2 days to find say Flipper.

If y'all didn't vote a Town day 1, it would've been easier for you guys to win.

 

[Dolby]

I mean, it wasn't that unbalanced. There was a cop (so vanessa had a confirmable role also) role and other roles that effected game night. The flipper would've flipped on Day 3, giving Town 2 days to find Town.

This is what a flipper D3 flip looks like with a D1 mislynch

D1 starts 5v2
N1 starts 4v2
D2 3v2
N2 3v1(assuming correct lynch)
D3 1v2, it's over

Also, I meant confirmable in the sense that Punchy's role was mod confirmed (ie, you basically confirmed that he had the ability (tbc, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing)), Vanessa had to out her results

Admitidly a flipper can be killed, but realistically they will only be killed N1 because a smart flipper (given all roles were claimed) always claims N2, given that they either flip D3 and they win, or they don't and are confirmed town. They don't get killed by maf either way

 

[Antonio]

He wouldn't have mentioned it if he didn't have it.

 

[Dolby]

"If yall didn't vote a townie it would've been easier for you guys to win"

With anon voting, do you have any idea how hard that is to occur organically

The D1 mislynch rate on TBT as a whole is probably something 70%, not considering that this game had anon voting

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He wouldn't have mentioned it if he didn't have it.

Fair point, but the point behind this was that with a D1 ML, and a N1 kill that isn't on the flipper, mafia and flipper can game the setup so that it's unwinnable for town

 

[PunchyTheCat]

oh gg we won

that was fun

me lashing out at people to make other canidates at EoD is NAI, for the record

 

[Dolby]

I swear, I need that image so much so I can make a meme out of it

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oh gg we won

that was fun

me lashing out at people to make other canidates at EoD is NAI, for the record

tbf that is true (CTSTP comes to mind)

But waiting until last minute to claim isn't

 

[Antonio]

This is what a flipper D3 flip looks like with a D1 mislynch

D1 starts 5v2
N1 starts 4v2
D2 3v2
N2 3v1(assuming correct lynch)
D3 1v2, it's over

Also, I meant confirmable in the sense that Punchy's role was mod confirmed (ie, you basically confirmed that he had the ability (tbc, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing)), Vanessa had to out her results

Admitidly a flipper can be killed, but realistically they will only be killed N1 because a smart flipper (given all roles were claimed) always claims N2, given that they either flip D3 and they win, or they don't and are confirmed town. They don't get killed by maf either way

Even so, Punchy role could've been for scum. Y"all even stated that.

Lynching Flipper on Day 1:

d1 - 5v2
n1 - 4v2
d2 - 3v2 (Even so, same odds as before. You guys still had the chance to find the scum especially with bianca out of the way)

Lynching Mafia on day 1:

d1 - 5v2
n1 - 5v1
d2 - 4v1 (now if y'all vote off mafia here, town wins)
n2 - 3v1
d3 - 2v1 (I would've just end the game here with town as majority).

 

[Dolby]

If you didn't have that ability you would've been so dead because tbh I'm not sure why scum would have it, but I actually like that aspect of this setup because it does make this more like true role madness

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Even so, Punchy role could've been for scum. Y"all even stated that.

Lynching Flipper on Day 1:

d1 - 5v2
n1 - 4v2
d2 - 3v2 (Even so, same odds as before. You guys still had the chance to find the scum especially with bianca out of the way)

Lynching Mafia on day 1:

d1 - 5v2
n1 - 5v1
d2 - 4v1 (now if y'all vote off mafia here, town wins)
n2 - 3v1
d3 - 2v1 (I would've just end the game here with town as majority).

Yeah, I know, but that's still an roughly 60% chance that the game is over on Day one, which did happen

I think that this setup is somewhere between 70/30 and 80/20 as a whole (don't know full PRs) assuming pure random lynching, which isn't as bad as I initially thought but it's still pretty bad because of the way that scum can exploit the setup that I mentioned earlier

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I need that image so bad (and to download photoshop). I've had it in my mind since the D1 lynch actually happened oh god I need it

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Btw, was Dad really gonna let Punchy die like that? Ngl, I'm disappointed that he wasn't going to end our suffering early

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Wait, so you basically made this set up so that the win con was such that only the day one lynch mattered (unless we lynched flipper)?

This is why I prefer the normal win con

 

[Geoni]

Just add one more townie and make the cop all-night and you will have this a little more balanced I think. And no revealer on the mafia side. Town had to earn the reveal power while mafia had it for free as well as the promise of a third member if lucky. But yes Antonio, this was scumsided - really my only stumble was not realizing you would announce every vote and vote change, had I been revealed my unspoken vote change would have been exposed.

Anyways gg.

PS Vanessa we're 2-1 now, you're gonna have to catch up.

So did flipper actually know who they were.

 

[Dolby]

Even so, Punchy role could've been for scum. Y"all even stated that.

Lynching Flipper on Day 1:

d1 - 5v2
n1 - 4v2
d2 - 3v2 (Even so, same odds as before. You guys still had the chance to find the scum especially with bianca out of the way)

Ftr, this was same odds of lynch scum, but NOT same odds of winning. We had 0% odds of winning today, given that Bianca would have flipped tomorrow. Under this, we have something like 15% odds of winning, but realistically it's higher

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So did flipper actually know who they were.

Yeah, they did, I thought you were flipper signaling, so I was trying to get scum to kill you

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Also, there's no way that setup you envision Dad is balanced, it's still effectively a 5v3 which is perpetual MYLO rather than LYLO