Mafia [GAME THREAD] Karen Mafia (Endgame - Mafia Wins)

honestly, i think endless/kat are a viable scumteam

on the odd chance kat flips town (i genuinely don’t think it’ll happen but i want to say it before eod), but that’d clear up endless from my pov and push glow/epona/me/etc into contention for d3 hot seat time

i sl @mogyay and i’ll be the only person to say it
 
honestly, i think endless/kat are a viable scumteam

on the odd chance kat flips town (i genuinely don’t think it’ll happen but i want to say it before eod), but that’d clear up endless from my pov and push glow/epona/me/etc into contention for d3 hot seat time

i sl @mogyay and i’ll be the only person to say it

elaborate on mog? i don't townread her but i don't have enough to SL her for now

i'm heading out for the night and will not be here for EOD so gonna put a vote on kat. i think you're right about her and her flip will be really useful so letz go
 
i mean honestly evans tone isn't that bad and you can tell his posts lack calculation, which i would expect of mafia that missed a phase

interestingly, one team read i can definitively make is that kat/Evan aren't aligned because he's set himself up perfectly to vote me (town) but isn't? so in the case that kat is mafia, evan would be 100% town
 
elaborate on mog? i don't townread her but i don't have enough to SL her for now

i'm heading out for the night and will not be here for EOD so gonna put a vote on kat. i think you're right about her and her flip will be really useful so letz go
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i can’t upload all the files bc too big, but i have four screenshots of recent posts @mogyay made yesterday. it’s great that she was at work today, but there’s hours of being on the forums where she could’ve added her thoughts in. the game wasn’t dead during that time. i think it’s coasty to the point of surviving endgame and not having enough content for town to properly discern alignment

i may be wrong, i just don’t like it and think it’s anti-town in a mountainous setup. all we have is our interactions w others to discern alignment. coasting isn’t helping at all. yes mafia is taxing whatever whatever and people need breaks, but her contribution has given us all of nothing for 2 mafia days straight thus far
 
First of all, I want to say that this exactly the kind of post I wanted out of you glow, and I'm sorry if I got on your nerves to get it. I'll respond to the portions I think need addressing, but ftr don't really scumread you anymore. (Since reasoning stated fills the gaps that I couldn't ramify myself, with a crack that feels kinda genuine.)
it would be more accurate to say "i read all dedennes posts, concluded that their tone felt like tentative mafia and attempted to piece together why as best i could"
This is ultimately what I wanted originally when I asked.

i genuinely do not see how my post was nullified.

HOW is being hesitant because rusty = TOWN?

sure it doesn't necessarily mean = MAFIA as we have all come to see, but i still assert that hesitancy (from players that aren't new to the game) is not towny and mafia are more likely to play it safe with their lines or be nervous
Misinterpretation on my part, allow me to explain.
You initially responded to me and stated that the only pertinent point epona made was to do with the hesitancy, which I took to mean "my reasoning for voting was outside of the hesitancy". In my defense, I cleanly stated this assumption and it took you this long to state that it was wrong.

your second point: how does the "can't wait to read later" "damn there's nothing" = TOWN?

i guess you're saying it fits in better because.... of context? so they stated their expectation earlier, therefor it makes more sense for them to be genuinely disappointed later?

if their expectation was not stated beforehand it would not matter to me. the fact that it was, does not matter to me. the sentiment was ALREADY implied by dedennes comment about nothing rly happening and expecting more
My point wasn't that "can'ts wait to read later" "damn there's nothing" = TOWN, but instead that your reasoning was the "damn there's nothing" post was weird/unexpected. (And epona provided evidence that it wasn't unexpected, and that if anything it would've been weirder for them to not make it.)
I'm not saying it's a town post - I absolutely detest that sort of post, but don't think it's alignment relevant. But you didn't point out that post and claim that it was structured weirdly, you pointed at it and said it didn't make sense for dedenne to post. (Which it did.)
You absolutely could've brought this up at the start of day 2, but I had to essentially tunnel you to get it out of you.

Honestly, do I think you fabricated the read on dedenne? No. Not anymore - not even sure I was convinced you did even while I was applying a lot of pressure to you. I was just struggling to figure out your thought process and was committed to pushing you until I did - I do more or less now.

So to summerise, my new interpretation as to your stance on your day 1 lynch is "You read through dedenne and you found their tone off, you attempted to describe aspects of their play that you thought gave you this feeling, and posted that as your initial push."
Once again, and as always, please correct me if I'm wrong.

5) endless
i find endless' posts really difficult to read he kinda talks like professor layton (no hate i love professor layton) and it makes it difficult to parse through his wallposts. i feel like a lot of his reads are along the lines of 'you read this person this way and i read them the same way but for different reasons which means your reasons are wrong therefore i'm scumreading you' and i don't really know how to feel about that. i guess i'm a bit wary because the entire thread seems to treat him like some big bad with a notorious reputation but i've never played with him before so it means nothing to me. he asks a lot of questions but i need to see whether those questions actually lead anywhere or if it's just performative
I.. wha.. zha?
Like honestly the quip about my posting style is whatever, the comment about my actual play is also not hugely relevant but.......
i feel like a lot of his reads are along the lines of 'you read this person this way and i read them the same way but for different reasons which means your reasons are wrong therefore i'm scumreading you'
Can you please demonstrate one read I've had that matches this? The only player I shared on a read on for different reasons was my townread on Antonio that was shared by Kat, and I never scumread Kat.
I just.. find it difficult to understand this read in any way, shape, or form.
I'm going to need some follow up from epona.
 
Right now I'm between glow and Antonio for my vote.

glow sent major red flags to me last game for essentially justifying mislynches of town. In this game she goes for dedenne first, saying it was a feeling based on their indecisiveness of posting. Idk, I feel like this was their way of starting a wagon on a random player to gain traction and frame it as a mislynch to be like 'ops guys, we'll get 'em next time'

Antonio is still on may radar for now. I feel like its going to be one of those situations where they were almost lynched D1 and then we overlook them the entire rest of the game and coast by.

The maf dream team in my head is: Antonio/glow/Tensu maybe? I need to read over their post again, I keep forgetting when they posted.

epona I feel would give some valuable info on some other players by proxy of who she defended. She hard defended Antonio earlier in D1 and now she is covering glow in a way? I'd like to see who flips later and how that will effect her reads.

Amazon just got here so I don't have a lot to off of by them. No idea how they usually play but starting out memeing is just the way to break the ice in the game? Also, someone bringing up the point that could;t have scum reads yet when there's an entire obs chat making reads on games they aren't even playing. I don't think that's indicative enough for an soild scum read on them

Kat had a lot to say D1 but I haven't seen a lot of their post D2 so I would like to see what they have for their defense but I'm not sure if I will make it back in time for that.

Ace and Aerious are pretty much playing like they were in the other games.

Endless has posted endless walls of text that offers some good insight on certain players, but it really does feel like it's their own perspective on the matter stated as fact.

I'm kind of in the same boat as mog. I thought I'd really have more time for this but real life stuff gets in the way. I can sub out if that would seem better for everyone.

I'm gonna flip my taco stand if Ronishy randed maf on their first game
 
yeah idk i just read through all of kat and i hope she comes back so she can have opportunity to reply to aerious/others but i do have a question about

@whoever mentioned it yeah I didn't like what Antonio was doing with RNG voting. Gave me hella scum!Ness vibes. I didn't particularly scumread him but I wasn't particularly scumreading anyone so honestly anything to cling to was at least a justification to lynch.

this is confusing me, didn't you say you thought that was towny?
 
so your case is that someone took hours to respond to a thread of forum mafia, someone is acting un/like previous games while you didn’t provide many quotes to highlight the difference, and theorizing what mafia would do in this instance when others have too

i don’t understand the logic. i’d genuinely be surprised if glow flipped maf here
Yes!!!

Look at these quotes:
a very towny post, i feel like ronishy has had pretty solid posts and idk why they were a lynching candidate tbh
i hate this

!!!!
Glow gameplay throughout this entire game doesn't have a "I'm trying to figure out who's scum" perspective but more of a "trying to appear active" perspective. These quotes above lack a proper elaboration as to why they have this opinion. It serves as filler and nothing more. I had to pressure her to elaborate on why they are coming to these conclusions and I didn't get a response till hours later.

Regarding the meta quote, I don't need to provide a mass amount of quotes when a few quotes display a huge difference in gameplay when compared to the quotes in my ISO of glow which was ignored by everyone.

Finally regarding the last statement, it's not about theorizing. It's about implying something that didn't come to anyone's mind and how it strays away from the first sentence regarding their defense of Ron. Of anything, it was irrelevant to imply it and feels like an excuse to something no one was mentioned.
 
Right now I'm between glow and Antonio for my vote.

glow sent major red flags to me last game for essentially justifying mislynches of town. In this game she goes for dedenne first, saying it was a feeling based on their indecisiveness of posting. Idk, I feel like this was their way of starting a wagon on a random player to gain traction and frame it as a mislynch to be like 'ops guys, we'll get 'em next time'

Antonio is still on may radar for now. I feel like its going to be one of those situations where they were almost lynched D1 and then we overlook them the entire rest of the game and coast by.

The maf dream team in my head is: Antonio/glow/Tensu maybe? I need to read over their post again, I keep forgetting when they posted.

epona I feel would give some valuable info on some other players by proxy of who she defended. She hard defended Antonio earlier in D1 and now she is covering glow in a way? I'd like to see who flips later and how that will effect her reads.

Amazon just got here so I don't have a lot to off of by them. No idea how they usually play but starting out memeing is just the way to break the ice in the game? Also, someone bringing up the point that could;t have scum reads yet when there's an entire obs chat making reads on games they aren't even playing. I don't think that's indicative enough for an soild scum read on them

Kat had a lot to say D1 but I haven't seen a lot of their post D2 so I would like to see what they have for their defense but I'm not sure if I will make it back in time for that.

Ace and Aerious are pretty much playing like they were in the other games.

Endless has posted endless walls of text that offers some good insight on certain players, but it really does feel like it's their own perspective on the matter stated as fact.

I'm kind of in the same boat as mog. I thought I'd really have more time for this but real life stuff gets in the way. I can sub out if that would seem better for everyone.

I'm gonna flip my taco stand if Ronishy randed maf on their first game

ironically i like this post, i mean sure ur calling me mafia with two people i think are town (Antonio moreso than Tensu for the record) but idk the part about asking the thread about replacing just seeps towny

i feel like mafia would ask their partners; not be willing to say it in thread especially if their partners gave an opinion on it already
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the part that makes me lol is team reading me and Antonio, that dude wanted me dead like five pages ago.
 
Right now I'm between glow and Antonio for my vote.

glow sent major red flags to me last game for essentially justifying mislynches of town. In this game she goes for dedenne first, saying it was a feeling based on their indecisiveness of posting. Idk, I feel like this was their way of starting a wagon on a random player to gain traction and frame it as a mislynch to be like 'ops guys, we'll get 'em next time'

Antonio is still on may radar for now. I feel like its going to be one of those situations where they were almost lynched D1 and then we overlook them the entire rest of the game and coast by.

The maf dream team in my head is: Antonio/glow/Tensu maybe? I need to read over their post again, I keep forgetting when they posted.

epona I feel would give some valuable info on some other players by proxy of who she defended. She hard defended Antonio earlier in D1 and now she is covering glow in a way? I'd like to see who flips later and how that will effect her reads.

Amazon just got here so I don't have a lot to off of by them. No idea how they usually play but starting out memeing is just the way to break the ice in the game? Also, someone bringing up the point that could;t have scum reads yet when there's an entire obs chat making reads on games they aren't even playing. I don't think that's indicative enough for an soild scum read on them

Kat had a lot to say D1 but I haven't seen a lot of their post D2 so I would like to see what they have for their defense but I'm not sure if I will make it back in time for that.

Ace and Aerious are pretty much playing like they were in the other games.

Endless has posted endless walls of text that offers some good insight on certain players, but it really does feel like it's their own perspective on the matter stated as fact.

I'm kind of in the same boat as mog. I thought I'd really have more time for this but real life stuff gets in the way. I can sub out if that would seem better for everyone.

I'm gonna flip my taco stand if Ronishy randed maf on their first game
May I ask, how would I fit into a Glow/Tensu/Me mafia team?
 
trying to appear active" perspective

this is 100% accurate, not even gonna front

ive been trying to fragment my posts all game to meet post requirements :~(

luckily work is less busy today so i'm more here! hello
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but deeper than that, i don't like being upheld to meta bc the upkeep is straight exhausting. hence burn out of high post quality players

i was relieved to flip town this game cos i can do what i want without being expected to ~play well~ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I'm kind of in the same boat as mog. I thought I'd really have more time for this but real life stuff gets in the way. I can sub out if that would seem better for everyone.
you’re not imo, bc mog hasn’t provided any reads and you are. it’s fine to not post that much, but at least let them be quality over quantity
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i was relieved to flip town this game cos i can do what i want without being expected to ~play well~ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
this doesn’t make any sense, bc you’re spending an awful lot of time defending actions people are scumleaning you for
 
this is 100% accurate, not even gonna front

ive been trying to fragment my posts all game to meet post requirements :~(

luckily work is less busy today so i'm more here! hello
If you're more here then please, do more.

Anyways, I have a class at 3pm halfway across campus so I won't be back till last hour (4pm).
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THE CLASS WAS AT A 2 O' CLOCK NOT 3, I MISSED MY CLASSES TODAY BECAUSE I'M STUPID, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
 
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Didn't even notice, no punches left to roll with, you got to keep me focused, if you want it, say so...
And I've always lived like this, keeping a comfortable distance and up until now I had sworn to myself that I'm content, then I realize it's right there and I'm at home like, "Damn, this ain't fair" And all those things I didn't say wrecking balls inside my brain and I will scream that I'm through with doubt, there's nothing left for me to figure out, I cast my vote, if it's over let it go, and I'll come tomorrow it will seem so yesterday. Glow I hope that all this time you weren't pretending... So much for my happy ending!

Ok this was super hard to make. I'm okay with my vote and I think I will park there, I have to do some work related stuff, but I will try to be here EoD. Good luck ladies. Live Laugh Love
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kudos if you find all the references.
 
rn my two scumteam possibilities:
endless/kat
glow/epona (???? unsure abt latter in this group)

no, i will not explain until d3 and i’m not sure if i’m viewing this game wrong thus far. i really believe it’s the former, but i’m willing to concede that if kat is town, she could’ve been framed by someone who knows how my thought process works :oops:

i really believe kat is maf
 
i'm v sorry but i will be replacing out :( i have too much to juggle and i am extremely sorry to host/players. not an excuse but just overwhelmed with too many irl things, pls don't hate me guys
i’m sorry mog
pls prioritize ur irl stuff, i don’t hate u (and i don’t think anyone else does either) ❤
 
i'm v sorry but i will be replacing out :( i have too much to juggle and i am extremely sorry to host/players. not an excuse but just overwhelmed with too many irl things, pls don't hate me guys
Don't feel bad, sometimes thing are out of our control. :) Nobody can hate you.
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Everyone a little more than an hour left, don't forget to vote.
 
@Aerious wow you are really gunning down kat.
It's a shame she cant give a counter argument. If she turns out town it will be on your head.
Sorry to see you go mog, but I couldn't gleam much from your posts.
 
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