The Dedenne push seems genuine and if Glow is intact mafia, that was the weakest push I have seen in my life, if glow flips scum I'll hush, but I'm sure that won't be the case, my gut feeling is telling me that and I'm 73.9% right with those.
Also I agree glow’s read of me is weak af, you could at least try to figure out motives behind my posts and who I’m reading etc. but nooo its “memes = bad” and not liking my choice to not read 20 pages of filler and chaotic EoD. Oh and “lol how can he have a scum team already” without actually addressing who I put in the team or why
That being said I’m sticking to Kat rn. I think her flipping scum will do a lot to help solve the game
so your case is that someone took hours to respond to a thread of forum mafia, someone is acting un/like previous games while you didn’t provide many quotes to highlight the difference, and theorizing what mafia would do in this instance when others have too
i don’t understand the logic. i’d genuinely be surprised if glow flipped maf here
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bc if you’d like to compare meta, this is just ringing similarly to janitorial imo from glow’s pov
What bothers me about the meta is that by that logic I should have been killed D1last game, because I tried to help more than usual, and I was even called for that. So I don't know what to make out of that.
Also I agree glow’s read of me is weak af, you could at least try to figure out motives behind my posts and who I’m reading etc. but nooo its “memes = bad” and not liking my choice to not read 20 pages of filler and chaotic EoD. Oh and “lol how can he have a scum team already” without actually addressing who I put in the team or why
That being said I’m sticking to Kat rn. I think her flipping scum will do a lot to help solve the game
1) Arstotzkan
it pinged me 100% when kat said that she wanted dedenne to flip because it would provide 'huge intel' on me. looking back at the response i made to glow about her case on dedenne, which i only even made because glow and i were both liveposting in the thread at the time, it's hard to even see it as a defence as opposed to me just bouncing glow's ideas back to her because i didn't think they were worth scumreading somebody off of. BUT as i said earlier this pinged me because i thought maybe kat/dedenne were teamed and kat was setting me up for a frame when dedenne flipped maf which obviously didn't happen
even outside of that tinfoil it was still a weird thing to do, i wasn't townlocking dedenne, i wasn't even clear whether i was townreading them at all until a few posts later so i don't really know where kat's thought process was coming from there. i'm not sure if it's necessarily scummy but it does feel a bit tmi that kat would basically townlock me after dedenne flipped town. aerious' case on kat makes sense to me so i'm willing to vote kat today
2) Ronishy
i still have a gut scumread on ronishy. i've preferred their thread presence today but i don't know why people are townreading them based on the 'mafia haven't come to my defence' post. afaik this is ronishy's first game but they spectated the last game, and there was a lot of that logic being used in terms of who should/shouldn't be lynched so it doesn't really surprise me that they pulled that card. either way i don't think anyone is with me on this so it's not a priority today
3) guav@
i will say time and time again that i have no idea how to read guava because she's chaotic as hell but i really think she's coasting this game, her post count is decent but most of it has no substance and i can't really remember anything she's done besides a bogus FoS on me based on a 'back and forth' that never happened. she's gotten pretty much no heat at all so far and idk why
4) tensu
kind of null on tensu but i don't like the parroting that's going on. that said i feel like they sort of have a confidence (??) about them that makes me think they're probably not scum. this is a tonal read more than anything else ig
5) endless
i find endless' posts really difficult to read he kinda talks like professor layton (no hate i love professor layton) and it makes it difficult to parse through his wallposts. i feel like a lot of his reads are along the lines of 'you read this person this way and i read them the same way but for different reasons which means your reasons are wrong therefore i'm scumreading you' and i don't really know how to feel about that. i guess i'm a bit wary because the entire thread seems to treat him like some big bad with a notorious reputation but i've never played with him before so it means nothing to me. he asks a lot of questions but i need to see whether those questions actually lead anywhere or if it's just performative
6) mogyay
literally a total null girlie has like 6 posts
7) amazonevan
again pretty null i need to wait and see more. i don't really think he's scum though and i think his d1 activity (or lack thereof) is being used against him in a LHF-y way
8) mylifeiscake
again a null i need to ISO them bc i literally don't remember anything they've said
9) glow
i'm not buying the case on glow it's weak and reliant on her leading the lynch on dedenne yesterday when we all saw how dry yesterday was. so much stock is being place on my interaction with her re: her dedenne read and i think it's opportunistic bc that interaction was liveposting and really not a big deal. i hate her read on evan but i think it's maybe just a bit tilted? either way i don't really see her as scum but i guess this is pretty null
10) ace marvel
i have a tendency to overlook ace because i'm so familiar with his weird playstyle by now and it makes me maybe a bit blind to the actual content of his posts. either way i don't see anything different between his playstyle now and his usual vanilla townie playstyle. we haven't seen him as scum yet as far as we know so meta reads only go so far but he played really differently as a town PR so i'm inclined to just trust him for now. i'll revisit this eventually and it's a weak townlean as opposed to a townread but nothing has pinged me so far
11) aerious
aerious probably my biggest townread outside of antonio, i think she's the person who is working on progressing the game most so far and her case on kat doesn't feel scum motivated at all. like it's based on actual evidence and is consistent which is more than can be said for pretty much anything else so far lol
12) antonio
3) Ace Marvel
7) Antonio
9) glow
10) Aerious
13) MyLifeIsCake
14) epona
15) mogyay
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OH THANK GOD I THOUGHT THAT DELETED I WAS GONNA CRY
i want to believe endless is town but it rlly just doesn't make sense. he's had some of the most detailed posts re: game reads/game in general and he's town reading me and epona (who i sus on gut reasons more than anything else) and scumread antonio who legit doesn't appear scummy to me, just a bit erratic if anything.
There's a similar one from evan but there's no point quoting both.
If you have issues with my reads post, then you should have issues with the posts I made much earlier in the thread when I was forming those opinions.
Which is to say, I don't bottle up information inside me and then unleash it in a reads post, my process of thought is always in thread as clearly as I can represent it.
The reads you state to not understand is a) my townread on you.
A little more depth, I applied pressure to you d1, you reacted, I formed a read
Admittedly, this is an extremely weak read - however, that's clearly mentioned in my reads post where I say my townread on you is "v weak"
b) my townread on epona, which is a viewpoint I've presented pretty consistently through the entire day. The only real bone people have to pick with epona is the EoD drama from yesterday, which I don't think is particularly alignment relevant. (Which I covered in length in my last post.)
To clarify, this isn't the world's strongest read, but it's not super flimsy either.
c) my scumread on Antonio, who I literally lead a lynch on yesterday. Yes, I still scumread the person I lead a lynch on - the fact that you listed this as a read that "doesn't make sense" bewilders me.
That being said, his content today is way better. Would still really appreciate him voicing his opinions on other things than the glow wagon.
@Aerious Why respond to Antonio's push on glow when mine has more substance, therefore more to talk about?
Ftr I don't hate your kat push anymore but I also feel the need to point out that she's under post requirements for the day and there's only 4 hours left, so she'll have to talk soon.
i just finished work ;_; how long until end of day? is it 4 hours? everyone must hate me i am so sorry, i shouldn't not have thought i could juggle all this lol
I’m gonna be gone in a bit through EOD so I’m just gonna place my vote now. My prime suspects are those who jumped on the dedenne CFD and (specifically Kat). I have a gut feeling, which I know is not much but at this point it’s the best I got. But others have pointed out some solid observations that I’m not gonna bother repeating as I’m sure you’re all aware. I’m easing off my suspicions of Antonio for now, which I talked about it in a previous post. Again, I don’t feel incredibly confident with this decision but it’s the best I’ve got now.
i just finished work ;_; how long until end of day? is it 4 hours? everyone must hate me i am so sorry, i shouldn't not have thought i could juggle all this lol
@Aerious Why respond to Antonio's push on glow when mine has more substance, therefore more to talk about?
Ftr I don't hate your kat push anymore but I also feel the need to point out that she's under post requirements for the day and there's only 4 hours left, so she'll have to talk soon.
The point essentially is that your push essentially had 2 points: 1) hesitancy which you seem to admit "doesn't say much about their alignment". (Only trying to read between the lines here. Since you've failed to clarify in earlier posts - do correct me if hesitancy was actually a driving force behind your eventual vote. I hate putting words in people's mouths.)
2) That them announcing their re-entrance into the thread "seemed strange to say" since you thought "there / was / stuff going, it was just minimal" . Which epona immediately pointed out was a natural follow up to a previous post of theirs - and therefore was perfectly reasonable. (I.e. there was nothing going on in comparison with the expectation that dedenne outlined before going to bed.)
To me, this looks like your post, in full, was more or less nullified. Now in this latest post that I just quoted you mention that "their annotating of their entry and exits seems stilted". This is a point that you haven't brought up even when you were questioned on it at the start of day 2 - would it be accurate to say that this is you placed your vote day 1 but never mentioned it? Or is this a retrospective "even with my other points countered I still think this was scummy".
yeah i don't like it when people say "gonna be busy doing X Y Z talk you you guys later/ hi guys i'm back now time to read up" but it isn't largely a mafia thing so i don't have a reason to mention it if i'm trying to give my reasoning.
there are other things i didn't like, i.e. stating she didn't fully have an understanding or something of a few posts and saying she'll have to read back on it later, but i didn't mention that specifically either cos it wasn't pertinent.
it would be more accurate to say "i read all dedennes posts, concluded that their tone felt like tentative mafia and attempted to piece together why as best i could"
i genuinely do not see how my post was nullified.
HOW is being hesitant because rusty = TOWN?
sure it doesn't necessarily mean = MAFIA as we have all come to see, but i still assert that hesitancy (from players that aren't new to the game) is not towny and mafia are more likely to play it safe with their lines or be nervous
your second point: how does the "can't wait to read later" "damn there's nothing" = TOWN?
i guess you're saying it fits in better because.... of context? so they stated their expectation earlier, therefor it makes more sense for them to be genuinely disappointed later?
if their expectation was not stated beforehand it would not matter to me. the fact that it was, does not matter to me. the sentiment was ALREADY implied by dedennes comment about nothing rly happening and expecting more
i really don't see how that makes it any better. to me it felt like they were trying to be seamless with their exit so yes it came off as stilted and didn't seem to be genuine as there was still stuff to comment on at that point regardless of the slow paced d1
are we seriously going to do the 'this player hasn't been NKd yet therefore they must be scum' thing
it's literally the laziest way to play this game and i am disregarding any point that mentions it
What bothers me about the meta is that by that logic I should have been killed D1last game, because I tried to help more than usual, and I was even called for that. So I don't know what to make out of that.
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Was this aimed at me or just the first part? because I never questioned you having reads or deciding not to read.
i also kinda disagree w this
substantive posts are subjective to whatever geoni decides. it makes the game harder if people aren’t contributing to discussion/sharing reads. we have replacements, so if ppl can’t balance, it’s ok to sub out
i also kinda disagree w this
substantive posts are subjective to whatever geoni decides. it makes the game harder if people aren’t contributing to discussion/sharing reads. we have replacements, so if ppl can’t balance, it’s ok to sub out
Yea totally, but the minimum to stay is that, that is what I meant, if you can help more, the better. But if you did that part, you shouldn't feel bad if you had a busy day.
Also I agree glow’s read of me is weak af, you could at least try to figure out motives behind my posts and who I’m reading etc. but nooo its “memes = bad” and not liking my choice to not read 20 pages of filler and chaotic EoD. Oh and “lol how can he have a scum team already” without actually addressing who I put in the team or why
That being said I’m sticking to Kat rn. I think her flipping scum will do a lot to help solve the game
i never even said memes = bad i just said your entrance was odd and yes i don't like that you haven't read but out three scumreads, based off of endless' summary i do not see how they're organically formed.
as for why you scumread me, you said it's because whoever pushed dedenne needs to be looked more into?? then you said me and kat look compatible? that's basically it.
the onus isn't on me to understand your reads.
i don't mind if you don't explain yourself, i don't explain myself either if i don't want to. but i also do NOT criticise people that don't understand my reads as a result of lack of explanation lol
i mean same, to an extent i have about 5-6 players i can't pinpoint a read on and i especially don't have team reads at this time cos the interactions between players this game have been fairly tame. like normally i could say x/y aren't teamed together but at this point idk
all of this is to say why i don't understand how Evan has three scumreads he believes can or are compatible with each other, it just comes off as very contrived and the fact that 2/3 of those in his lists are names a lot of people are mentioning reinforces that idea for me
i mean same, to an extent i have about 5-6 players i can't pinpoint a read on and i especially don't have team reads at this time cos the interactions between players this game have been fairly tame. like normally i could say x/y aren't teamed together but at this point idk
all of this is to say why i don't understand how Evan has three scumreads he believes can or are compatible with each other, it just comes off as very contrived and the fact that 2/3 of those in his lists are names a lot of people are mentioning reinforces that idea for me
yeah worldbuilding is out the window atm
i think the new cellar rules (while needed!) make it difficult to discern teams because we don't have as many natural interactions anymore
i see what you mean about evan but sometimes looking at the thread with fresh eyes when you haven't been experiencing it live can provide more insight i guess
