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I really don't want to vote for either. I don't support the republicans or democrats. historically sure, third party voting doesn't seem to work in a two party system, but I would like to be part of the change.
 
in brazil we got the 18-25 people to vote for a third party on the election that bolsonaro was running

and i mean like we did mad marketing for ciro (the third party candidate) bc the left party was roasted by media and fake news so we thought third party was the best choice

here is the thing: the left party was too popular so what actually happened was like 50% bolsonaro 25% left 25% third party

tldr u cant change the two party system period

just by voting

@xSuperMario64x i stole this from discord
 
when have christians been persecuted LMAO. you mean people wanting religious orgs to pay taxes?

Here’s what I’m referring to:

- The Masterpiece Cakeshop incident, Sweet Cakes incident, and that incident when a farmer wasn’t allowed to sell on the farmer’s market because he wouldn’t let a gay couple be married on his property.
- The incident the Burwell vs Hobby Lobby Inc case was about.
- Taxpayer-funded abortions.
- San Antonio’s ban on Chick-fil-A in airports.

Legalizing one thing another group wouldn’t allow is one thing. But to force a group to violate their beliefs at the cost of their human rights or citizenship rights is not acceptable. And yes, I am against taxing church services and closing churches during a pandemic. If you don’t want religion in government, how about government stay out of religion as well.
 
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Here’s what I’m referring to:

- The Masterpiece Cakeshop incident, Sweet Cakes incident, and that incident when a farmer wasn’t allowed to sell on the farmer’s market because he wouldn’t let a gay couple be married on his property.
- The incident the Burwell vs Hobby Lobby Inc case was about.
- Taxpayer-funded abortions.

Legalizing one thing another group wouldn’t allow is one thing. But to force a group to violate their beliefs at the cost of their human rights or citizenship rights is not acceptable. And yes, I am against taxing church services and closing churches during a pandemic. If you don’t want religion in government, how about government stay out of religion as well.

How about religion learns to cope with the existence of LGBT people and learns no you should not have mass gatherings in a PANDEMIC.

Religion CONSTANTLY wants the benefits of government (getting taxpayer funded scholarships like in Espinoza v. Montana or taxpayer funded grants like in Trinity Lutheran Church of Columbia, Inc. v. Comer) but god ****ing forbid they be asked to treat other people with respect.
 
...learns no you should not have mass gatherings in a PANDEMIC.
Had to Google this one because I didn't believe that churches would actually open in their doors during a pandemic. Shocked to see that was the case! We've had online services here for the past six months.
 
I really don't want to vote for either. I don't support the republicans or democrats. historically sure, third party voting doesn't seem to work in a two party system, but I would like to be part of the change.
yeah, like there could have been someone other than biden but making a change here is sadly voting for him and yeah considering ohio.. yeah.

think they've been doing mostly online services here also unless they could do it outside with proper distance during summer. also they do radio broadcasts as well iirc.
 
and learns no you should not have mass gatherings in a PANDEMIC.

I agree that mass gatherings isn’t acceptable during a pandemic, but if someone is going to condemn mass gatherings, they should also condemn the George Floyd protests (except online ones) for violating social distancing rules. Why is it not acceptable for people to do what they want in public, yet acceptable to burn buildings and assault other human beings in large mobs? This is hypocrisy. If reality had its way (and if the pandemic is over or hasn’t even started), large gatherings would be considered acceptable, but people who participated in the riots would be charged for terrorism. Also, some of the decisions done during the George Floyd protests don’t make sense. What does Christopher Columbus have to do with George Floyd? Why is being neutral or indifferent considered evil? Why would they be protesting this long rather than for two weeks like they did in Ferguson? To me, these riots have nothing to do with George Floyd. Not anymore.
 
People don't seek permission to burn buildings and riot; they just do it.

I feel this is a good time to point out that we won't hesitate to lock this thread if it gets out of hand.
 
Yeah, I’ll probably stop here, but I would like to know what Columbus has to do with George Floyd. Won’t count on the other questions being answered since I already know about them. I did want to point out that they should not allow these protests to occur if they’re going to restrict or inhibit mass gatherings, even after they took lockdown protests seriously.
 
I agree that mass gatherings isn’t acceptable during a pandemic, but if someone is going to condemn mass gatherings, they should also condemn the George Floyd protests (except online ones) for violating social distancing rules. Why is it not acceptable for people to do what they want in public, yet acceptable to burn buildings and assault other human beings in large mobs? This is hypocrisy. If reality had its way (and if the pandemic is over or hasn’t even started), large gatherings would be considered acceptable, but people who participated in the riots would be charged for terrorism. Also, some of the decisions done during the George Floyd protests don’t make sense. What does Christopher Columbus have to do with George Floyd? Why is being neutral or indifferent considered evil? Why would they be protesting this long rather than for two weeks like they did in Ferguson? To me, these riots have nothing to do with George Floyd. Not anymore.

Well now you've decided to pivot into distracting about the riots and that's just not gonna fly. Don't change the topic.

Let's focus on the churches who have been demanding that they get to be open.

Sure the riots are a thing. I don't like that they're rioting during a pandemic. BUT. There's a few differing factors.

1. The rioters are outdoors, not indoors. Indoors is where the virus spreads easier because of air droplets. Those can dissipate easier outdoors.

2. The rioters are not filing lawsuits demanding to be open. The churches are. The rioters are breaking the law in some regards. You know who else does? Churches. There have been reports of churches opening with no measures in place. And then people have gotten sick.

3. I notice you didn't bring up the "anti-mask/re-open" riots. Interesting.
 
yeah, like there could have been someone other than biden but making a change here is sadly voting for him and yeah considering ohio.. yeah.
yeah unfortunately it is true that Ohio is a swing state and it could mean the difference between Biden or Trump winning. there really is no getting around it but the two-party system is very irritating to me, especially since in recent years it seems like we've had to choose between "the lesser of two evils."

I may reconsider my vote, I'll have to delve a little more into the realms of politics since this is the first year that I've really truly begun to think for myself and pay attention to what's going on in the grand political scheme (might be kinda late since I'm 21, prob should've been paying attention earlier but tbh it was all overwhelming for my ASD mind before). But I can assure that I am most definitely not voting for Trump.


also can we have a moment of silence for the fact that both of my parents are complete supporters of Trump and I've had to put up with their bs for four years now? I kinda hope that Biden wins just so I can hear them say "okay it's the end of the world, let's move to a different country" lol.
 
yeah unfortunately it is true that Ohio is a swing state and it could mean the difference between Biden or Trump winning. there really is no getting around it but the two-party system is very irritating to me, especially since in recent years it seems like we've had to choose between "the lesser of two evils."

I may reconsider my vote, I'll have to delve a little more into the realms of politics since this is the first year that I've really truly begun to think for myself and pay attention to what's going on in the grand political scheme (might be kinda late since I'm 21, prob should've been paying attention earlier but tbh it was all overwhelming for my ASD mind before). But I can assure that I am most definitely not voting for Trump.


also can we have a moment of silence for the fact that both of my parents are complete supporters of Trump and I've had to put up with their bs for four years now? I kinda hope that Biden wins just so I can hear them say "okay it's the end of the world, let's move to a different country" lol.

Trump is not really fit for office. He ran for it just to get fame and publicity. The only reason why people voted for him is either because he’s a celebrity or because they have been fed up with Obama/left-wing media/left-wing population and their antics. I was part of the latter group, but my initial choice for president back in 2016 was Ted Cruz. Now I would want to see Tucker Carlson as our president instead of Trump. Or John Hawkins (another conservative columnist, known for writing lists and stuff about the left wing).

Trump’s not the only crazy one. Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Chuck Schumer - they were good from the beginning, but they have been possessed after years of serving in Congress and are now just as crazy as Trump. Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Lindsay Graham - same, but conservative examples. But people like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are not fit for office, and having them in power is pretty dangerous.
 
yeah unfortunately it is true that Ohio is a swing state and it could mean the difference between Biden or Trump winning. there really is no getting around it but the two-party system is very irritating to me, especially since in recent years it seems like we've had to choose between "the lesser of two evils."

I may reconsider my vote, I'll have to delve a little more into the realms of politics since this is the first year that I've really truly begun to think for myself and pay attention to what's going on in the grand political scheme (might be kinda late since I'm 21, prob should've been paying attention earlier but tbh it was all overwhelming for my ASD mind before). But I can assure that I am most definitely not voting for Trump.


also can we have a moment of silence for the fact that both of my parents are complete supporters of Trump and I've had to put up with their bs for four years now? I kinda hope that Biden wins just so I can hear them say "okay it's the end of the world, let's move to a different country" lol.
i mean i hate the two party system too and im a political science student. in all honesty, the riots are what's been making the most needed change in breaking down the fundamentally flawed system we have. while diverting power away from the two party system would be nice, voting TP just won't fundamentally change the system and just isn't very realistic atm. so much is dependent on how this election turns out, especially for PoC and other minorities. making sure Trump isn't put back into office is my biggest concern atm, despite my liberal ideology and reservations with Biden. don't think just about the presidency, think about the bigger picture, such as the SCOTUS (which i also find deeply flawed)

you have a very powerful vote being from Ohio, I hope you can really reconsider how possible it is for Trump to get re-elected by winning swing states like yours, and what you can possibly do to stop it
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But people like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are not fit for office, and having them in power is pretty dangerous.
AOC is my idol 😍
 
yeah unfortunately it is true that Ohio is a swing state and it could mean the difference between Biden or Trump winning. there really is no getting around it but the two-party system is very irritating to me, especially since in recent years it seems like we've had to choose between "the lesser of two evils."

I may reconsider my vote, I'll have to delve a little more into the realms of politics since this is the first year that I've really truly begun to think for myself and pay attention to what's going on in the grand political scheme (might be kinda late since I'm 21, prob should've been paying attention earlier but tbh it was all overwhelming for my ASD mind before). But I can assure that I am most definitely not voting for Trump.


also can we have a moment of silence for the fact that both of my parents are complete supporters of Trump and I've had to put up with their bs for four years now? I kinda hope that Biden wins just so I can hear them say "okay it's the end of the world, let's move to a different country" lol.
Yeah, exactly. I think the elector system is more ****ed than the two party thing to be honest, though.

And yes I think you should deeply reconsider.. also if anything my Asperger helped me get into politics.... and that's good though.

For sure... your parents seem pretty.. uhh. bull**** in terms of politics so I recommend getting your own opinion.
 
I find it interesting that as time goes by, our values, technology, and science change. As a result, some things that were acceptable in 1940’s media and 1950’s media would not do well in today’s time. Examples:

- For starters, you could get away with portraying ethnic groups with extreme racial stereotypes of their days (aka outdated cultural depictions) in the mid-20th century. Nowadays, even milder and more modern stereotypes in your art would get you in a lot of trouble.
- It’s also hard to view gun-happy people in a positive light after all these mass shootings in recent history. There even used to be a Disney short called “The Martins and the Coys”, which was made unavailable in today’s time because of their portrayal of gun-happy people.
- Letting kids go out and do their own things? It had a lot of meaning in the 20th century, but today, such portrayal in media wouldn’t because of how dangerous the world has gotten.
- Even a Disneyland attraction was greatly affected by this. While the “unfriendly Indian” from the original attraction got taken out a long, long time ago, they couldn’t even feature the burning cabin anymore due to global warming and emission standards. Basically speaking, anything that isn’t eco-friendly are hard to portray positively in media.
- Modern values also want us to respect other cultures. For instance, taking valuable artifacts from ancient civilizations wouldn’t be taken too kindly. Even portraying them in art would make people think it’s rather odd than ordinary.
 
I don’t mind voting in different types of elections, but as far as presidential elections go I refuse to vote for either of the two main parties until someone pops up that would actually make a good president again. Sadly it doesn’t seem like that will be happening anytime soon, so count me out. And no, no amount of words or anything else is going to convince me to change my mind. So gl and hf, lol
 
as a latino, I am quite concerned for my community and stand in solidarity for my fellow groups of color

it really is a privilege to not think too hard of what’s at stake for this election...

like, i get it. but i think it’s very misguided, frankly
 
I don’t mind voting in different types of elections, but as far as presidential elections go I refuse to vote for either of the two main parties until someone pops up that would actually make a good president again. Sadly it doesn’t seem like that will be happening anytime soon, so count me out. And no, no amount of words or anything else is going to convince me to change my mind. So gl and hf, lol
Well not to be rude but I hope you're content if "someone" wins, then.

I mean, yeah even getting to the voting place is hard for most but yeah I don't agree with this couch potato mentality.
 
While I think it’s wrong to block one justice from getting appointed during an election year and rush another justice’s confirmation the next election year (which is hypocrisy at its finest), I do support Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation and replacement of Ginsburg. Here are some points where I would support each side on the confirmation.

Republicans:
- I could see Barrett’s nomination and potential confirmation as a punishment towards the Democrats for how they treated Kavanaugh. After they filibustered Gorsuch (unwilling to let Scalia, a conservative justice, to be replaced by a conservative), nuked the filibuster for lower court picks, and established a rule where no supreme court justices can be confirmed in an election year, they have been left with a disadvantage where they cannot block any of Trump’s court picks. And when the last moderate justice retired, they have faced their reckoning. They would’ve been civil at Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings and let the vote come through. Instead, they disrupted his hearings, acted like children, and when it was getting close to the vote, they accused him of sexual assault from something that happened a long time ago (and in a time of the #metoo movement). Because this has delayed the vote (and that Kavanaugh was innocent), this has costed the Democrats two seats in the Senate. And now one of the liberal justices is dead. If they didn’t treat Kavanaugh poorly, they would’ve taken back the Senate in 2018 or at least weaken the Republican majority in the Senate, which would make it impossible to replace Ginsburg with Barrett. And had they not filibustered Gorsuch (or even nuked the filibuster earlier), they would’ve had the ability to filibuster Kavanaugh, which would’ve forced Trump to pick a moderate justice.
- While the actions the Republicans did were hypocritical, it is technically fair that they have control of the court and the judiciary. The left wing already has control of the media and education. They can’t have control of exactly everything. Plus, the courts shouldn’t be liberal or conservative. They should be understanding of the constitution. And the problem with most liberal ideologies is that they are unconstitutional.
- In some way, the Republicans were right about letting the voters decide on who gets to be in the Supreme Court back in 2016. I’m not all about overturning Obamacare or Roe v Wade, but I do not want the court to agree with the radical leftist policies that are morally wrong or bad for society in general. For instance, back in 2016, one of my concerns is gendered bathrooms. Had Scalia’s seat been replaced by a liberal, the Supreme Court may overturn gendered bathrooms, meaning that no public businesses, including restaurants and convenience stores, are allowed to separate men and women into different bathrooms. If you identify as a man, you have no reason to use the womens’ restrooms. Another example was the Masterpiece Cakeshop ruling. Seeing how it actually turned out explains why we shouldn’t have a Supreme Court that stands for oppression or violation of common sense.

Democrats:
- Although their attacks towards any Trump pick are not justified, they have every right and reason to be angry at the Republicans. They wouldn’t let a conservative justice get replaced by a liberal justice, but they wouldn’t mind replacing a liberal justice with a conservative justice. They blocked Garland’s nomination, but they wouldn’t let the Democrats block Gorsuch’s confirmation. Their excuse to block Garland was because it was an election year, but they want to get Barrett confirmed in an election year. They filibustered many of Obama’s picks, but would try to get Trump’s picks through. They shouldn’t take their anger out on Trump’s justices. They should take it out on McConnell and vote to remove him instead of attacking Trump’s picks.
- To nuke the filibuster for Supreme Court picks is a very bad idea. The fact that they put Garland’s nomination on hold to win the election, only to do this, is bad. I already mentioned that this was unfair. But this also a threat to the Constitution. They basically took away the minority party’s right to block justices that may seem unfit, and this move is going to bite them back once they lose control of the Senate and a conservative justice leaves. Granted, we could no longer compromise (which explains why we couldn’t get anything done to solve the pandemic and racial injustice issues), but any revision of the constitution of any kind (i.e. removing term limits for presidents, abolishing the electoral college, removing the filibuster) is a double-edged sword. It may go your way when you have the advantage, but once it goes out of your control, it’s going to hurt you back hard.
- It was actually unfair to block Merrick Garland from getting nominated or even having a voice. Even Susan Collins didn’t like what the Republicans did there. Their excuse is that it’s an election year. If that’s the case, then explain Anthony Kennedy’s nomination. Their real excuse is that they don’t want a liberal replacing a conservative. If that’s the case, then explain Clarence Thomas’s nomination.

Yep, both sides had it wrong on the court. The Republicans are being hypocritical, but the Democrats should learn not to use uncivil tactics to attack a nomination. If Barrett is confirmed, then both sides are to blame.
 
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