Goodbye Internet?? (Net Neutrality)

[Marc Franks]

Not sure why no one anywhere is talking about how serious the net neutrality issue has gotten now that's its been officially repealed like two days ago.

June 11th is when all this took place for the many who are unaware. (THEY DIDN'T BROADCAST IT ON NEWS CHANNELS, Ect so many many people don't know)

How can we not get together and talk about this when our freedom are being taken from us.

for those of you who are awake on this issue please share it with your families so they aren't charged an extreme amount of money if they have time warner, verizon or at&t

 

[Elephantmarshmallow]

I knew it was coming at some point, ever since it blew up on Twitter and everyone was talking about it a few months ago I knew there wasn’t any way they would keep net neutrality. The senators and people voting on this stuff are all most likely 50+ (probably older and maybe a few younger) who don’t use the internet at all/very little so they see it as a pointless thing the youngins spend their whole life on. The voting that occurred by the people was just voting for who you want to vote, so essentially their voices were muffled and they were not guaranteed a vote in their favor. I have noticed the internet not loading as well as it used to these past few days, it’s been a little frustrating but I guess I can manage, I do need to detox from the internet lol.

These opinions of mine are all from gathered information I’ve read or seen on social media or heard from others talking about it so I am in no way an expert on what exactly happens so I could have gotten a few things completely wrong, I definitely am not super knowledgeable on the US government but I mean I passed gov in high school. I am for net neutrality and don’t like how it was taken away from us but I hope things change in the near future (for the better)
I’m not one for discussing politics much because people tend to get really heated about it :/

 

[EpicGamer12]

It's unfortunate but probably won't have as much short term impact as people are expecting. Long term, it is hard to say. You as United States citizens vote with your money. I am hoping these policies don't end up affecting Canada or the rest of the world.

 

[partangel]

Its really scary to think that this will spread in the rest of the world, only because of usa. I wish american citizens wouldve taken this more serious when there was a way to turn it back (aka some months ago). no one did anything and now the rest of the world is going to pay for it, even if we never had the chance to do anything eitherways. america really huuh sucks, and is undeserving of the influence it has in the world.

 

[AndroGhostX]

Its really scary to think that this will spread in the rest of the world, only because of usa. I wish american citizens wouldve taken this more serious when there was a way to turn it back (aka some months ago). no one did anything and now the rest of the world is going to pay for it, even if we never had the chance to do anything eitherways. america really huuh sucks, and is undeserving of the influence it has in the world.

No one did anything because, like OP said, it wasn't reported on. It was buried from the public.

 

[Midoriya]

It’s kind of fitting to be honest, but that also means my parents should be fine actually (just remembered they have Spectrum internet). When I say it’s fitting, it will at least force people to make a decision on whether they really, really need the internet or not, or could actually detox from it and not have to be toxic or put up with toxic people (I strongly dislike toxicity on the internet, it’s one of my pet peeves now).

 

[Marc Franks]

The thing is WE DID vote against this, they didn't listen and they took our rights like it was candy! and the people here has their eyes closed and they don't know what it is, Even my mom doesn't know what Net neutrality is simply because it sounds unimportant and boring to her, but i bet now whatever happens people will start to wake up alot faster and start to complain.

we already pay for the internet itself and if they start to charge us to use Social media like twitter and netflix, I'm rioting because there are people that use the internet to connect to their loved ones who are far away, we talk and play games together, we meet people, you cant take us from US.

I hope this doesn't spread to your countries, but seeing that USA likes to lead it might spread world wide, AT&T said they wanted to be as big as facebook globally so..., but this can also affect the market like small grocery stores who use internet to promote, and other businesses, ect.

 

[partangel]

No one did anything because, like OP said, it wasn't reported on. It was buried from the public.

It wasnt reported as it shouldve been, thats true. But ive been seeing for months now, in every social media, people advocating for net neutrality and trying to voice how problematic this would be (since we are the ones who use the internet the most after all) and most people reaction was to not care about it / not spread the information themselves. yes, there was an attempt to bury it from the public, but all of the resources were made available online by multiple people, i dare even to say, for anyone who wanted to look into it. some months ago i even remember existing an actual petition to out of the usa users, so they we could lend an hand. so its like :/. i guess for people who dont use most of those social platforms, it would probably pass by, but lets be honest here. most people DO use at least one of the most popular social platforms, especially twt (that was one that spread the most info about it) so..

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btw i actually come from a country that has like. a serious problem w net neutrality and its awful. although we have it, its kind of... not complete. we can access every site from google, yeah. but there are companies that now sell internet for specifical things like messaging or social platforms, and its something thats very criticized by the eu but i am afraid that with net neutrality ban in the usa, itll just.. become the norm. and not even going to address the fact that the usa most likely wont ever have access to net neutrality again... oof

 

[Katelyn]

Its really scary to think that this will spread in the rest of the world, only because of usa. I wish american citizens wouldve taken this more serious when there was a way to turn it back (aka some months ago). no one did anything and now the rest of the world is going to pay for it, even if we never had the chance to do anything eitherways. america really huuh sucks, and is undeserving of the influence it has in the world.

Umm people DID fight against it, yet they did what they wanted anyway. You can't blame America for "influencing" the rest of the world, it's still your leaders decision to do away with it or not and if they do that's their fault not America's lmao. It's not like your leaders HAVE to do what America does. That's some pretty flawed logic you have there lol.

 

[partangel]

Umm people DID fight against it, yet they did what they wanted anyway. You can't blame America for "influencing" the rest of the world, it's still your leaders decision to do away with it or not and if they do that's their fault not America's lmao. It's not like your leaders HAVE to do what America does. That's some pretty flawed logic you have there lol.

ure trying to tell me that america, one of the g7, doesnt influence the rest of the world and call my logic flawed? right. if you think america doesnt influence all of the western countries in various aspects idk what to tell you lmao, i thought this was common sense. but okay. a quick google search will let you know that ure wrong.

 

[Midoriya]

ure trying to tell me that america, one of the g7, doesnt influence the rest of the world and call my logic flawed? right. if you think america doesnt influence all of the western countries in various aspects idk what to tell you lmao, i thought this was common sense. but okay. a quick google search will let you know that ure wrong.

I’m not sure if this was Katelyn’s point, but I think what Katelyn was trying to say is that this is more so a government/president choice, and just because the USA’s government/president decides on something, that doesn’t mean everyone agrees on it being the right thing to do (case in point why we elect new officials at certain years). To call everyone in the USA and categorize them with the government/president is a form of ignorance in itself. It’s like if I said, “Japan decided to do this...”, well no. Japan’s government would have decided to do whatever action it is. Just because we elected them into office does NOT mean we agree with everything they do or say (I think that’s a common misconception formed by a lot of people).


If this is not what Katelyn was trying to say, then I apologize. Yes, it is true that the USA influences a lot of places via economics, but it’s also interesting how I heard on the radio recently some of those places want to kick us out of something like that. That’s all I’ll say about that.

 

[Katelyn]

ure trying to tell me that america, one of the g7, doesnt influence the rest of the world and call my logic flawed? right. if you think america doesnt influence all of the western countries in various aspects idk what to tell you lmao, i thought this was common sense. but okay. a quick google search will let you know that ure wrong.

I never said they don’t influence the rest of the world at all lmao. I’m just saying America doesn’t force other counties to put laws into place, that’s still on their leaders. My main point though was how it’s ignorant to believe no one fought against this decision

 

[carp]

thank goodness that (unless the entire country decides to go against the internet being equal) the UK will be fine, and not influenced by the USA (i still remember barack obama trying to stop us from voting for Brexit, which was very amusing to watch- very out of touch!)

besides the cultural attitude that the USA is a bit stupid and insane, the UK has committed to two things (one of which it is currently leaving.. hint hint, the EU!)

the EU rules state that all internet access has to be neutral- this law is kept on all member states (even if you're leaving, like we are) until 2150, where it will likely be renewed, unless there is a democratic vote (e.g; the people of the nation decide upon it) and we vote to repeal it.

another thing is the "universal service obligation" we are in, which essentially makes broadband access a legal requirement, and thus we won't expect any big changes to be happening here, across the pond. finland has had this rule for a while, and they haven't gone against it yet.

furthermore, we have a big regulator, OFCOM- this guy is meant to be working hard to make all internet access equal and speedy, but as the UK's internet is based on mainly copper telephone wires, it's currently struggling. their report in dec 2017 stated that millions of UK households and businesses still lack decent broadband access- but their regulation of internet providers means it is impossible for them to prioritise content they are sponsored by, or 'slow down' communications to websites, services etc that they are not affiliated with.

in the UK (and the EU as a whole) the most you can do currently is offer preferential deals with service providers (such as BT is doing with BT Sport not costing data, or Vodafone is doing with Netflix, i believe)- internet providers are allowed to make business deals which benefit them and the company they are helping, but they currently can't do anymore.

if we actually listen to the USA for once, i'll be amazed- our current model is based upon finland, a wonderful little country.

 

[LambdaDelta]

disappointing, but not surprising

there's only so much yelling you can do at politicians who only care about padding their and their rich donor's wallets. not to mention the internet's importance as an information tool, so of course the party that runs off of manipulation and disinformation would remove the barriers preventing that. they 100% knew how important this was, and chose to remove not in spite of it, but because of it

just add this to the list of reasons why we need to start dragging these ****stains out into the streets and executing them. its long since been clear they're only afraid of losing their donor money, so give them something else to be afraid of

 

[Midoriya]

disappointing, but not surprising

there's only so much yelling you can do at politicians who only care about padding their and their rich donor's wallets. not to mention the internet's importance as an information tool, so of course the party that runs off of manipulation and disinformation would remove the barriers preventing that. they 100% knew how important this was, and chose to remove not in spite of it, but because of it

just add this to the list of reasons why we need to start dragging these ****stains out into the streets and executing them. its long since been clear they're only afraid of losing their donor money, so give them something else to be afraid of

Or just elect better officials to replace them. If people care about this so much, they should elect new officials that will make sure Net Neutrality is not tampered with again. Seems like this is because of low voter turnout/stupid voters’ decisions at the last elections.

 

[Marc Franks]

Or just elect better officials to replace them. If people care about this so much, they should elect new officials that will make sure Net Neutrality is not tampered with again. Seems like this is because of low voter turnout/stupid voters’ decisions at the last elections.

maybe someone bad is what the people need so they can start to open their eyes. I know so many people here who say they didnt even bother voting and it felt like people out of states were more concerned abuot our new rights and rules then anyone else,

im hoping this will be a wakeup call. sometimes people need a few knots to understand things.

 

[Midoriya]

maybe someone bad is what the people need so they can start to open their eyes. I know so many people here who say they didnt even bother voting and it felt like people out of states were more concerned abuot our new rights and rules then anyone else,

im hoping this will be a wakeup call. sometimes people need a few knots to understand things.

Very true indeed. Cannot have a rainbow without a little rain.

 

[LambdaDelta]

Or just elect better officials to replace them. If people care about this so much, they should elect new officials that will make sure Net Neutrality is not tampered with again. Seems like this is because of low voter turnout/stupid voters’ decisions at the last elections.

electing people only goes so far when even the "good" party is heavily invested in donor money, just less blatantly so, and far more willing to compromise with the opposition party to try and appease their voter base (that will never vote for them anyways) than act as any sort of opposition themselves

not to mention the fact that one party constantly games it so the negative effects of **** they do follows into them losing ground, so they can then claim its not their fault and just get reelected next cycle. same with them claiming ownership of positive changes they had nothing to do with

we need an overhaul and new blood

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alternately, since they're too cowardly to die despite being actively responsible for genocide themselves, strip them of all their wealth and assets outside of the bare minimum needed and force them to work for federal minimum wage pay without any excess money funneling allowed

or just do that in general

if you're gonna work for the people, get to the people's level. we don't need rich ****s in ivory towers so to speak deciding on stuff that they can actively and freely ignore the consequences of, due to getting special treatment

 

[Midoriya]

The part I agree with the most on that is getting rid of “money funneling”. If they are elected, they should only get paid the legal minimum for the position they are going to be at. Hopefully in time that would stop a lot of bad decisions from being made. There’s still a lot about this stuff I don’t know, but it’s good to be educated on it. Thank you.


EDIT: Also, if the legal minimum is not enticing enough for those positions, it should be raised.

 

[partangel]

I never said they don’t influence the rest of the world at all lmao. I’m just saying America doesn’t force other counties to put laws into place, that’s still on their leaders. My main point though was how it’s ignorant to believe no one fought against this decision

i never said america forced anyone, though, so like?? ofc america wont force half of the world to do what they do lmao but its quite obvious america does influence the rest of the world and that plays a big role on what other governments do and if you cant see that as an american citizen then uh do i have some news for you! i believe many people fought over it, but there were also many that did not and in fact had quite of a big fit thrown over it. like okay, maybe you did call up to advocate for net neutrality, yeah i believe you. but what i saw on various social media was that most people ignored the ones who tried to spread the information in social platforms + didnt help at all when the end of net neutrality sounded like something so far fetched no one cared! so like.. sis, jokes on you because im actually someone who tried to help as much as i could as a non american so lmao!

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I’m not sure if this was Katelyn’s point, but I think what Katelyn was trying to say is that this is more so a government/president choice, and just because the USA’s government/president decides on something, that doesn’t mean everyone agrees on it being the right thing to do (case in point why we elect new officials at certain years). To call everyone in the USA and categorize them with the government/president is a form of ignorance in itself. It’s like if I said, “Japan decided to do this...”, well no. Japan’s government would have decided to do whatever action it is. Just because we elected them into office does NOT mean we agree with everything they do or say (I think that’s a common misconception formed by a lot of people).


If this is not what Katelyn was trying to say, then I apologize. Yes, it is true that the USA influences a lot of places via economics, but it’s also interesting how I heard on the radio recently some of those places want to kick us out of something like that. That’s all I’ll say about that.

i .. understand what you mean and of course the people arent to blame for their govn + the choices they do and that generalisations can be evil but as i said there was .. plenty of time to fight against it even if it ended up resulting into nothing. of course the gov is corrupt and whatnot they all are but uhm. honestly i think were all being quite hypocrite when we talk about this specific subject because.. we both know and you americans specifically say that net neutrality was not discussed at all in the media and that everything that happened was more or less all displayed in multiple social platforms aka the internet aka smth that the entire world has access to and from what ive seen on those platform this subject was pretty much just ... left alone till the last minute, and thats what mainly sucks about it. i understand you, and you can tell me okay but i fought and my best friend called like 30 times.. and ill believe you but that does not mean... that the majority of the ppl ive seen on the internet did that. actually most of them didnt want to even spread info bc itd ruin their aesthetic blogs or feed or twt and like! thats what im referring to and im sorry if i offended anyone by huh talking about it and giving my opinion on smth i saw but like.. yeah..

eitherwyas katelyn actually meant that america doesnt force other countries to follow their steps and not that america citizens arent to blame for their government so yeah! theres that too. thank you for coming to my ted talk cnxnxnx (hope no1 takes this too srsly)