Mafia Island Madness - Town Wins

[Antonio]

I swear somebody wrote that "town was more likely to do this"

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ok so I'm going to take a nap and look again when in awake

 

[DinoTown]

You're now halfway through Day 1

 

[Dinosaurz]

Brain empty no thoughts

does anyone know who hasn’t posted yet out of player list?

 

[glow]

Brain empty no thoughts

does anyone know who hasn’t posted yet out of player list?

geoni

 

[Damniel]

i would not vote final arcadia, alek, or dinosaurz today i don’t think. everyone else i’m figuring out rn and plz share your thoughts on what your PoE is looking like rn

 

[Antonio]

The Results
Please READ EVERYTHING

The reason behind me asking you such a question is because I wanted to see your perception on the matter due to one statement sticking out to me from individual #1. I also was willing to see how willing you guys were to answer it and how you answered it for reactions purposes, so I’m give you guys my reactions first before elaborating on individual #1.

What I was looking for in my reactions: If people were willing to answer a simple question regarding a mafia perspective on how to be incognito. I assume mafia would be less willing to share their perspective on the matter or downplay me like I don’t have a clue what I’m doing.

The Question: Would mafia have to consider a town perspective or how a townie would need to play in order to hide within the game?

The answers/reactions:

Spoiler: Reactions

Epona is the first one to answer, which I liked.

i think that depends on the player

i know myself that i play similarly as wolf and as town and it's a trap people fall into when they're reading me bc they think i'm analytical so it's a 'towntell' if i'm inconsistent indecisive when that's genuinely just me lol

i'm also pretty sure glow has said that she makes a point of playing differently each game

However, the answer stood out to me. Why mention Glow? You also mentioned that you being Analytical is not AI but people consider it a towntell, got any examples?

Overall, I liked your answer. You also said it depends on the player, I want to make sure that is remembered.

Second was Volt:

idk i was rand mafia twice, once in a joke game and the other i was outed by a cop a couple hours in

You basically lack an experience to understand the question which is fine. I like how you considered your previous games and determined an answer, similiar to Epona.

I would mark your answer down as a “I’m not sure”.

Next is Ace Marvel:

I guess, but I'm no expert since I have been mafia only once, but yeah the idea was to play your normal self.

Same with volt regarding considering your own meta previous meta, however your answer is an “I guess” so you think one’s mafia would most likely consider a townie perspective regarding how the play, correct?

Next is Dinosaur:

I can’t remember honestly

An uncertainty at the beginning.

Mafia would play like usually. But since they know they’re mafia they will be more on edge psychologically

In order to play like usually you'll have to be aware on how you played, correct?

No??? You just try and play from the perspective that you are town?

So you'll have to be aware of what's considered towny in order to be considered towny. Right?

Also, a lack of you guys not answering is obviously AI especially since the person who I'm thinking about already replied.

I guess so.

I like Dinosaurz answers and they feel very townie from my perspective. He was willing to answer the question and the follow ups aswell.

His answer was an “i guess” aswell so let’s not that.

Next up is Hikari:

it's be forever since i've last played (like 6 years) so I'm not sure if I can answer this question as well as everyone else, but I know that back-in-the-day, when i was mafia, I usually just tried to "coast" on by to avoid drawing suspicion to myself. dont remember much past that, and being a nervous wreck lmao

Again, I like how everyone is considering their own meta. This feels soooo townie to me compared to everyone else that if she is mafia, she is a very good mafia.

I’ll mark you down as IDK.

Next up is Dedenne:

no because i think the last time i was maf was like a year ago and i literally cant remember anything. apart from it was my first time being maf and i was really nervous.

At the beginning, she was hesitant to answer the question, stating:

but didnt you say if anyone wishes to answer? what if some people dont wish to answer?

Of course, this could be considered a misinterpretation regarding my question. However, I do like her answer:

no because i think the last time i was maf was like a year ago and i literally cant remember anything. apart from it was my first time being maf and i was really nervous.

She’s uncertain so I’ll mark this as a I don’t know.

Next, I have an answer from Final Arcadia:

And I think it was Alek asking something about if players are conscious of their town meta and what others expect of them as town when mafia or something? I think that's absolutely true for most people, and the other big thing is trying to pretend like you don't know more than you do when giving reads and stuff

She seems confused about the question but her answer is a Yes for most people, because she explains that they need to pretend like they don’t know in order to hide within. Regarding that statement, you have to be sort aware of how to play as a town in order to pull that off.

I’ll mark you as a Yes unless specified otherwise.

Finally, we have Daniels answer:

this depends on the player and how familiar others are with them. but yes most maf generally tend to over follow their perceived town play and dont end up wolfing all that well for trying to be too town

I will be marking this answer down as "Yes" and "Depends on player" due to you agreeing. I like your post as well but for like, what was the delay.

To summarize the answers:
Yes/ I guess - Daniel, Final Arcadia, Ace, Dinosaurz, Glow
It depends - Glow (You came in a little late but I like your response), Daniel. Epona
I don't know - Dedenne, Hikari, Volt
If this is wrong, let me know.

Overall, a majority of y'all agree that Mafia would have to consider a townie perspective when playing a game. This is important!!!

Because there was one statement that stuck out to me from Individual #1 and that individual is…IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND, I SWEAR TO GOD I HAD THE POST BUT CAN’T FIND IT.

If anyone can find it, ill give 300TBT.

UPDATE: Due to not finding the post, I will instead give my reads based on the responses. Maybe it's out there, maybe it isn't. I swear I saw it though. It was something like "Someone who is townie would ask questions" or something of the sort. 300TBT offer still stands.

Out of all the response, I'm more inclined to believe Hikari, Glow, Dinosaurz, and Final Arcadia.
Volt is more of a Null. I can't explain why but just is.
I'm curious on why Daniel didn't want to answer the question. His hesitant lacks a motive, especially since he told that I should've stuck with my original plan. I thought he would be more supportive.
Dedenne and Epona response to me pressuring a response also is suspicious. Like, if we are all Town then why would you be against somebody asking a question? Wouldn't you be more against someone not answering such a simple question?

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Glow orignally wasn't in the post, BTW.

 

[Ace Marvel]

I'm so lost, but lets give a follow up, yes I said I guess, because I can only speak from previous experience that is limited, in my case last game I panicked most of the time, but yes the idea is to blend with others and to see opportunities to frame town, so yes again, I guess, most will, but I can't speak for all.

 

[Damniel]

im going to go ahead and say that offering to pay for a player to do something in a mafia game is not morally right in this game if not outright not allowed

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like if you read over the game and can't find it... its kinda on you

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i found nothing AI about the responses btw so sorry

 

[Antonio]

I'm so lost, but lets give a follow up, yes I said I guess, because I can only speak from previous experience that is limited, in my case last game I panicked most of the time, but yes the idea is to blend with others and to see opportunities to frame town, so yes again, I guess, most will, but I can't speak for all.

I love how everyone is giving their own perspective on the matters. I totally understand now speaking for all but like, it's normal to assume it, right?

 

[voltairenism]

answering or not the question is not AI if you cant argue on why responding it is beneficial to town

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answering or not the question is not AI if you cant argue on why responding it is beneficial to town

answering it*

responding = respondendo in portuguese sorry

 

[Antonio]

answering or not the question is not AI if you cant argue on why responding it is beneficial to town

It's hard to argue how it is beneficial to town if I can't find the original post.

 

[Dinosaurz]

ofc I have no problems answering questions XD

 

[glow]

I swear somebody wrote that "town was more likely to do this"

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ok so I'm going to take a nap and look again when in awake

do you remember any other context

the only thing i vaguely remember along these lines was epona talking about Dan's actions being more likely town idk

 

[Damniel]

alek basically tried making a whole big point without being sure that they had the proper evidence to even back it up

i think mafia would try forcing a point at least instead of this whoops moment

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if you think im mafia for not answer a question, than explain the wolf motivation behind it. if you can't than its an AI point for me to not want to answer

 

[Antonio]

do you remember any other context

the only thing i vaguely remember along these lines was epona talking about Dan's actions being more likely town idk

Yes!!! There was some certainty to the message that I recall. I also believe they started it off with the word Town but I'm not 100% sure. i do know they were taking about Town in a general sense.

 

[Damniel]

like i said it's a tentative townlean and definitely subject to change, but i followed daniel's champs games pretty closely and i think he's adapting a lot of the different playstyles and tactics that he picked up at MU and applying them to this game (specifically random and unprovoked voting early in the game)

my gut says he does that as town to be more productive and solve-oriented, and to genuinely play to town's advantage and wincon, but doesn't do it as wolf bc he'd know that it would stick out bc it's not the convention here, and if he's a wolf he's also on a team and i just don't rlly feel like he'd go rogue in that way

also i wouldn't expect him to dig his heels into alek's response as sus but immediately townreading him for it as opposed to just leaving it feels townie to me

you're definitely right about him being a strong player which is why my townlean on alek is a lot stronger, but my general feeling atm is that they're town/town

this is her tl on me

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if you think im mafia for not answer a question, than explain the wolf motivation behind it. if you can't than its an AI point for me to not want to answer

NAI*

 

[voltairenism]

It's hard to argue how it is beneficial to town if I can't find the original post.

sadchamp

 

[Damniel]

alright lets start to talk about who each of us dont want and possibly may want to vote for today

my read on hikari hasn't really changed btw i haven't been moved by anything to believe they're town yet

 

[Antonio]

if you think im mafia for not answer a question, than explain the wolf motivation behind it. if you can't than its an AI point for me to not want to answer

Well, what's your motivation for not answer it? I didn't say you were wolfy because you didn't answer but because of a lack of motive.

 

[voltairenism]

Dedenne and Epona response to me pressuring a response also is suspicious. Like, if we are all Town then why would you be against somebody asking a question? Wouldn't you be more against someone not answering such a simple question?
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this would be true if you were proved town