Mafia Jailbreak Mafia Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!
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So I'm not going to synthesize a full on defense for Radical but I wanted to address this since I'm pretty sure that Radical is town here. These next few quotes are going to be disecting Antonio's argument. I'll preface this by saying that I understand the point Antonio is making regarding Radical, but the argument doesn't hold as much water as you would think.
P.S. @Antonio for future reference Radical goes by they/them, not male pronouns.
This is apparently the main point of reference for the argument. There's bad logic sprinkled all throughout here. Firstly, see my later responses regarding the supposed "pivot" here (spoiler: there isn't one). Secondly, I can testify that I read the OP before this game and all of the rules regarding the mafia not knowing eachother and the game being flipless. If you want to be extra we can put it in the WayBack machine to prove it. So yeah, your point is moot.
I don't know what point you're making here, that wasn't a pivot from radical trying to get heat off, they just were stating the facts of how the mafia is working this game. It isn't alignment indicative. I respect the effort, but you're no agent hydra. Nowhere did radical "change" their stances, they just stated the facts of how the mafia is working here. They aren't collapsing under your "pressure" here, you're just hyping this up in your mind.
This point is moot and somewhat crappy to try and speculate on considering that the host holds zero influence on roles. Just because he forgot to send you a role PM does not mean that he would have left out information in the scum PM. If you really want to go down this path of host speculation, you could easily make the argument that since Radical replaced into a new player that Geoni would have given Master64 a scum role for their first game. But again, the point is moot, because its pointless to speculate on it.
I understand that your main argument here is that you don't think that Radical would have asked the question before subbing in, when really that can just be applied to either town or mafia. Do you really not see any realm of possibility where Geoni approaches Radical to replace, only for them to ask certain specifics regarding the setup before they are replaced in? Theres also the fact that Radical and Geoni are good friends who talk about things. Silliness.
Which, again, if you just think about it then it isn't quite as damning as you seem to think it is. They could have just been talking about the setup beforehand. Might as well just have Radical give their point of view on all of this at this point.
Again, it isn't alignment indicative because anyone would have asked that. If they asked it from a town perspective, they would be doing it to understand how it worked. If they asked it from a mafia perspective, then they would have also been doing it to understand how it worked. It goes both ways.
When it comes down to it this argument is just a baseless accusation. I'm reading Radical as town for these posts in particular:
There isn't a lot but I view them as more town than Waffles. If you look at this from a tone perspective, then I view here as the most candid person in the thread right now. And also... if you really want to get into it, I view that post about the subbing in to be the most town thing in the thread right now. It indicates to me that they pointed it out for the benefit of everyone being able to analyze the thread.
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Also I'm reading Antonio as townie who has a bad argument, but good intentions. Soooo, the only person that leaves imo is Unravel. Will make a post on her in a minute.
P.S. @Antonio for future reference Radical goes by they/them, not male pronouns.
This is apparently the main point of reference for the argument. There's bad logic sprinkled all throughout here. Firstly, see my later responses regarding the supposed "pivot" here (spoiler: there isn't one). Secondly, I can testify that I read the OP before this game and all of the rules regarding the mafia not knowing eachother and the game being flipless. If you want to be extra we can put it in the WayBack machine to prove it. So yeah, your point is moot.
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I don't know what point you're making here, that wasn't a pivot from radical trying to get heat off, they just were stating the facts of how the mafia is working this game. It isn't alignment indicative. I respect the effort, but you're no agent hydra. Nowhere did radical "change" their stances, they just stated the facts of how the mafia is working here. They aren't collapsing under your "pressure" here, you're just hyping this up in your mind.
This point is moot and somewhat crappy to try and speculate on considering that the host holds zero influence on roles. Just because he forgot to send you a role PM does not mean that he would have left out information in the scum PM. If you really want to go down this path of host speculation, you could easily make the argument that since Radical replaced into a new player that Geoni would have given Master64 a scum role for their first game. But again, the point is moot, because its pointless to speculate on it.
I understand that your main argument here is that you don't think that Radical would have asked the question before subbing in, when really that can just be applied to either town or mafia. Do you really not see any realm of possibility where Geoni approaches Radical to replace, only for them to ask certain specifics regarding the setup before they are replaced in? Theres also the fact that Radical and Geoni are good friends who talk about things. Silliness.
To understand the game better?
To understand the game better and get better reads?
Which, again, if you just think about it then it isn't quite as damning as you seem to think it is. They could have just been talking about the setup beforehand. Might as well just have Radical give their point of view on all of this at this point.
Again, it isn't alignment indicative because anyone would have asked that. If they asked it from a town perspective, they would be doing it to understand how it worked. If they asked it from a mafia perspective, then they would have also been doing it to understand how it worked. It goes both ways.
When it comes down to it this argument is just a baseless accusation. I'm reading Radical as town for these posts in particular:
There isn't a lot but I view them as more town than Waffles. If you look at this from a tone perspective, then I view here as the most candid person in the thread right now. And also... if you really want to get into it, I view that post about the subbing in to be the most town thing in the thread right now. It indicates to me that they pointed it out for the benefit of everyone being able to analyze the thread.
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Also I'm reading Antonio as townie who has a bad argument, but good intentions. Soooo, the only person that leaves imo is Unravel. Will make a post on her in a minute.
So can you testify exactly what happened? We need the receipts here (what time did you ask, why did you ask it, etc.) because he isn't going to stop voting for you unless you explain your pov.
Who do you want to lynch right now and why?
Ok so i wanted to play but he was like. Lol youre too late. So i was like whatever
Yesterday, at 1:17 whatever timezone is after PST (MST?) AM, he tells me if he doesnt hear from heyden by noon then he will sub me in.
I then ask when we learn about someones alignment at 1:24 AM and he said he was debating on it.
I said "lol be nice to TBT" but then he says it may create more clears. I clarify and ask if its because if scum dies in one cell, that clears 3 people.
So then he decides it will be flipless.
And then we had a phonecall around 2am so i dont have specifics I can look off of but then I asked if mafia knew each other and he said not yet
I fall asleep and at 10:39 he tells me heyden cant play til the 11th so im the sub
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Tbh I agree with you on unravel and townread you ness since you couldve let antonio lynch me since i doubt unravel wouldve persuaded antonio. So you couldve just let me be lynched for ez cell
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Antonios is somewhat emotional and i feel is trying very hard as town even though his case didnt rly make sense
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Ok im rly tired and scared ill fall asleep so im just gonna vote now just in case
VOTE: Unravel
radical6 said:
Townreads are always a good way to make me be your friend but is there any more in depth reason you tr me? I mean, I could easily just be pocketing you for the free towncred considering you did say mafia would be thinking about future cells.
By the way the call wasnt only about mafia and we talkef about life and video games and i was listening him die in botw but then i thought of a question about the game and asked him. And then we started talking about random **** again. I didnt know my role at this time though.
Just wanted to prepare myself basically.
Just wanted to prepare myself basically.
Antonio
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I still think my point is still valid because why would he ask a question about scum if he wasn't scum. I would understand if the question wasn't related to scum game play but his question was "Do scum know each other?". I assumed he would have come up with that question after receiving that info. He confirmed this was in DM so he asked Dad a bunch of questions to make sure he knew everything. Since this was also on Discord, Dad could've not use the same format as he did on the forums which would've led to that particular conversation where he was wondering if he is supposed to know the other mafia members or not.
I can't based my reads on tone because I literally have autism (high functioning, don't belittle me please) so I can't really understand tone when browsing on the internet. This is why most of my arguments on Mafia are based on things that I perceive as suspicious. However, I agree that this argument isn't much to work off of. I will be removing my vote for now but unless I have another lead or an actual argument against someone else, my vote will be going back to radical6 which most likely would happen.
##Unvote Radical6
However, no one has pressured you throughout the entire Cell C, Ness? I do perceive your actions as Town but it could be you just taking advantage of the current situation where everyone has town read you. So, answer me this, why should I trust you? Why should you be considered town?
I can't based my reads on tone because I literally have autism (high functioning, don't belittle me please) so I can't really understand tone when browsing on the internet. This is why most of my arguments on Mafia are based on things that I perceive as suspicious. However, I agree that this argument isn't much to work off of. I will be removing my vote for now but unless I have another lead or an actual argument against someone else, my vote will be going back to radical6 which most likely would happen.
##Unvote Radical6
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However, no one has pressured you throughout the entire Cell C, Ness? I do perceive your actions as Town but it could be you just taking advantage of the current situation where everyone has town read you. So, answer me this, why should I trust you? Why should you be considered town?
I did? I dont remember tbh. Too tired to look
Anyway youve been consistent on townreading me even before antonio so perhaps scum!you decided against it because it would look suspicious if you did. So maybe thats a point against my town theory.
Idk I gotta think
Honestly I just think youve been putting the most effort in out of this whole game. Look at the other 2 cells. They were confused and a mess. You couldve easily just been like lol let them lynch each other.
But youre right. You could be doing that. However I dont know why you would bring that up if you were scum. This is all wifom lol.
Anyway I'll go through both u and unravel in a bit. Just gotta get some food
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I was slowly reading the game so I was wondering if scum were coaching each other on what to say. But generally I like to know everything about a setup. I don't see why I wouldn't ask before the game. Mafia wouldve acted differently if they did know each other (I expect whoever is scum in Cell A and B would be talking a lot on what to do. 64 noped out of the game afaik)
@Radical Don't get me wrong I'm flattered you tr me (I keep presenting wine, but I know I'm town), but if I were a 3rd party who say you townread me for your current reasons I think I'd probably push on it a little bit. But i'm not the concerned about it.
@Antonio Well based off the receipts I think the argument is pretty well wrapped up now since she asked Geoni the questions days in advance before replacing. And you can trust me because I pinky promise that I'm town :^)
In all seriousness I don't really find it necessary to answer that. It'll be up to you if you want to trust me or not but I'm personally not that concerned about how I'm perceived.
May make the Unravel case in several hours because holy hell I'm procrastinating hard on my AP project
@Antonio Well based off the receipts I think the argument is pretty well wrapped up now since she asked Geoni the questions days in advance before replacing. And you can trust me because I pinky promise that I'm town :^)
In all seriousness I don't really find it necessary to answer that. It'll be up to you if you want to trust me or not but I'm personally not that concerned about how I'm perceived.
May make the Unravel case in several hours because holy hell I'm procrastinating hard on my AP project
do your homework and get an A. seriously. **** AP lit. ok brb reading
Antonio
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Eeehhh, I understand the points of events but I still don't see how scum gameplay was suddenly brought back after 30 minutes. Maybe i'm too introverted to understand normal conversation pacings.
Just curious but when did you ask him that?
wifom but again, why put pressure on yourself
Genuinely read this as town wanting to avoid the disaster of the other 2 cells. You saw what happened and wanted to avoid that and get **** done.
Antonio
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Days in advance? Why didn't Dad update the thread then? It doesn't make sense to me. :/
Also, I trust you due to your town-like actions but no one had put pressure on you throughout the game and the pressured I did put on you, you just brushed it off right there.
Listen, there are 3 towns and 1 mafia. One of you are lying to me. I don't understand how it's Unravel and the only solid opinion I have is my perception on radical and her asking questions related to scum gameplay.
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The reason why I won last game is because I got rid of all the people putting pressure on me so I could slid by and do all my regular town-like actions.
I jump around all over the place. We were playing video games and I was listening him be bad at BOTW and mafia is kind of a game soo. We do talk a lot about mafia and ****. Theres also a personal reason why we pivoted back to mafia but I dont wanna disclose it cos it would cause some unrelated to mafia issues.
I asked him on Thursday at 8:54 PM Central time. I was asking him about the enemy/hammer modes he was talking about before he changed it into mountainous, he said that after our cell is wrapped up any further lynches will reveal the flips.
Eh, in hindsight it was phrased a bit weirdly but I was mainly basing it off of tone. I think I addressed it a little further in my text wall.
Alright no more, getting to work.
Antonio
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Yes, but where in the conversation did scum play come up?
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