Mafia Mafia: Trouble in Alola (Day 2)
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Istg Cleb, yeah, I metad his first post and thought it was town, but have you, or frankly anybody, actually read my posts? No I did not give him a free pass, but moreover, I don't like the fact that Ness failed to include relevant scum games. Gimme like half an hour and I'll look into SU more. But anyway, relevant post, and Trundle, looking at his town play again, honestly seems like he'd mass claim (mainly I think because he prefers the openness in PM setups)
Anyway, I'm back to null on him. Just gimme some time to take a look through his SU filter. I remember in a game a year earlier I miscatagorized him meta after he slipped, so gonna look at his D1 in that game only
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Also, yeah, we're not mass-claiming
I do not agree with this at all. All a mass claim on day 1 would do is reveal blue roles to the Mafia.
Honestly starting to get a bit sick of everyone talking about massclaiming. Literally just play like we would any other game.
EpicGamer12
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Mass claims are allowed, it just ruins the game for scum and other players who dislike it. I want everyone to have fun and not get mad so it would be nice if mass claiming was a last resort. You can mass claim if you want but I was being considerate of the scum players when I sent out the PM saying you shouldn't say anything about your role in the PREGAME because it could be indicative of your alignment and the game hadn't started.
The only rule about claims is that you dont discuss flavour text, mass claims are allowed but if you want to have a fun game you shouldn't do it.
The reason why I've been concerned with it is because it's ruined previous games for many players and I don't want that to happen again.
ITS UP TO YOU GUYS AS YOU ARE THE PARTICIPANTS!
can someone say most intrusive host ever
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Do you think I'm actually playing carefully or are you just baiting for a reaction?
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Actually, it would give the mafia PRs, but it would also narrow down who the mafia could be by a large amount. Mafia typically only claims townie (depending on the setup I suppose, not sure what kind of safe claims they would be given, if any), so you need to just discern the obviously town townies from the scum who claimed townies. Townies are some of the easiest people to tell in the game because they don't need to be afraid of dying or showing their role. That's why a distinction between blue and mafia is useful - they're hard to tell apart in the first place. How often do you see someone call someone out as either blue or mafia? There's a reason for that.
Looking back, I feel like Trundle would be acting differently from both themeless and SU due to the context of both games. Themeless was overly nooby, with easily swayed townies and pretty much every experienced player except him and Panda were maf (which isn't conductive to making good reads, since he described himself in the past as "not being able to tell the difference between new town and scum"). However, Trundle was notably inactive. While SU pretty much forced him to be active, making something like 100+ posts in under 48 hours. And, 24 hours into said game as scum, he actually posted a pretty complete reads list for 24 hours in
This is like super weak and stuff, but I have to go right now, but TL;DR. I see more similarities in Trundle to Themeless than SU
This is like super weak and stuff, but I have to go right now, but TL;DR. I see more similarities in Trundle to Themeless than SU
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
Big ol' Farobi
Are you going to give reasoning or just keep saying their scum
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
All I'm saying is that with how he is so reluctant to confirm to deny anyone in his reads makes him seem pretty fishy. It's a common scum tactic, I use it literally every game when I'm mafia.
ex: "Ness seems kinda scummy right now with his last post. However with how he posted last game I think he's probably town right now."
You essentially contradict yourself to remain neutral but still look like you're providing content in the game.
Kirbystarship
Senior Member
I'm back, internet wasn't working.
Thinking about, I'm actually surprised how easily Cleb was swayed by the meta aspect of meta's argument. Kinda makes me think inno Ness and Trundle with guilty Cleb
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Ok, we have 2 hours left at this point. My current prefered lynch is FN1, but honestly, it feels like a policy
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Ok, we have 2 hours left at this point. My current prefered lynch is FN1, but honestly, it feels like a policy
Kirbystarship
Senior Member
thoughts on game so far.
I didn't like how Appples claimed very quickly and not that much sus was on him.
Think Jacob made a mistake on sussing Bowie and he wasn't in playerlist.
Ninja seems to be laying low kinda sus right now cause of this.
Bianca didn't like how you contradict yourself.
Cleb still think you're scum the only player you seem to push is me, when you're town you focus on more than 1 players at once and you ask them a lot of questions and don't seem that from you.
Sensai seems to only post when he is getting sussed on.
Dolby is back at null for me.
Ness is likely town, don't feel him being commanding in his posts.
Kermittea is town or TP
players I haven't talked about still need to read more in to you.
Vote will likely be on apple/cleb/ninja/bianca feel like scum is in this group of 4.
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forgot to add sensai as well.
Feel like scum is in this group of 5
I didn't like how Appples claimed very quickly and not that much sus was on him.
Think Jacob made a mistake on sussing Bowie and he wasn't in playerlist.
Ninja seems to be laying low kinda sus right now cause of this.
Bianca didn't like how you contradict yourself.
Cleb still think you're scum the only player you seem to push is me, when you're town you focus on more than 1 players at once and you ask them a lot of questions and don't seem that from you.
Sensai seems to only post when he is getting sussed on.
Dolby is back at null for me.
Ness is likely town, don't feel him being commanding in his posts.
Kermittea is town or TP
players I haven't talked about still need to read more in to you.
Vote will likely be on apple/cleb/ninja/bianca feel like scum is in this group of 4.
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forgot to add sensai as well.
Feel like scum is in this group of 5
im on mobile and am heading home but didnt you say you thought jacobs bowie slip was an honest mistake?
also im disappointed in FN, but if he decided to do this ****ty playstyle even before the game started then fine. at least post your thoughts. will try to get my thoughts in order once im home
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wait oh **** day ends at 3PM PST? im not going to make it in time
You know if you didn't get pissed off every time I say something that has anything to do with you maybe you'd see where I'm coming from. Literally if I hadn't said anything and linked you to it you probably wouldn't have done nearly as much as you have nearly as much to prove the idea wrong than you did. The game doesn't revolve around you, Dolby. Learn to take some opposing viewpoints and don't just OMGUS if you just so happen to prove those points incorrect.
In regards to the actual argument, Apple's activity certainly saw a huge spike in SU2, though I still believe the similarities of his pre-lynch play are showing many similarities to the way he's playing now. Even at one point, some of his posts before that Day show similarities to this game, being much more fleshed out than typical posts from him. From my perspective, activity generally means very little toward figuring out an alignment, especially when you're looking at more experienced players (like Apple himself). All activity really changes is the scale in which we can look at difference between one game and another, which in turn can lead to more or better information. The raw numbers just don't do all that much.
Also, in regards to comparing his activity in the two games, scaling them together shows that he wasn't all that inactive in Themeless like you suggest he was. The game is nearly three times shorter, so of course he's going to have fewer posts. By the time he died in SU2 and Themeless, there were about 1600 and 750 posts already made, respectively, so sure, he was less active in Themeless, but it's not to the extent that you make it out to be.
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Can you read?
In regards to the actual argument, Apple's activity certainly saw a huge spike in SU2, though I still believe the similarities of his pre-lynch play are showing many similarities to the way he's playing now. Even at one point, some of his posts before that Day show similarities to this game, being much more fleshed out than typical posts from him. From my perspective, activity generally means very little toward figuring out an alignment, especially when you're looking at more experienced players (like Apple himself). All activity really changes is the scale in which we can look at difference between one game and another, which in turn can lead to more or better information. The raw numbers just don't do all that much.
Also, in regards to comparing his activity in the two games, scaling them together shows that he wasn't all that inactive in Themeless like you suggest he was. The game is nearly three times shorter, so of course he's going to have fewer posts. By the time he died in SU2 and Themeless, there were about 1600 and 750 posts already made, respectively, so sure, he was less active in Themeless, but it's not to the extent that you make it out to be.
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Can you read?
this is the trundle we all know and love!
i didnt read faorbis post yet i think, but good catch. very wishy washy as toad would like to put it.
he has little conviction. on a side note, if we do lynch farobi i dont see him making it back in time.
Also I know I just said that activity in raw numbers wasn't a very good argument to make, but that's a point that still needs to be proven, because even if raw numbers were useful in this case, they wouldn't be because the scale is too similar between the two games.
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