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Wow, after checking the current results of the poll, it baffles me that literally no one has answered yes yet.
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Please if you are Mexican, be sure to read this. If you live on any country that was an ex-colony, be sure to read this. In general, if you are human, read this, I want as many people to read this and know my perspective on stuff.
It has recently come to my attention a very important and relevant topic, specially lately because of the Black Lives Matter movement and the recent worldwide protests regarding police brutality and racism. But I'm here to talk about the latter. All over social media like Tik Tok, Instagram, and overall on the Internet I've seen many posts of people regarding how the US and the Europeans invaded and colonized all the world with their imperialist and expansionist views. While this fact is undeniable, it's important to remark that almost every country in the world conquered and expanded through imperialism and wars. That's how history went, that's how countries were born. By saying this, I'm not condoning or sympathizing with any way of cruelty, racism or genocide.
You've probably heard many people, ranging from Native Americans, Asian Americans, Mexicans or even White Americans say that Americans live on stolen land because the Europeans invaded and colonized North America and South America, by settling in lands that originally belonged to Native Americans. I'm not here to deny the statement because, in essence, it's radically true as Native Americans were living on these lands for millennia before. In today's perspective it's clear to know who is original from North and South America and who is a settler, as White people are the settlers who travelled from Europe and stablished their lives on a new continent, while the Indigenous people were the original ones.
However in my country, Mexico, where the natives weren't completely eradicated, and the mixture of Indigenous and Spanish culture gave birth to the Mexican identity and culture we know today, there is a huge misconception and a very blurred definition over who is a settler and who isn't. If you didn't know, most of the Mexican population is mestizo, which means "mixed". That means most of us have mixed Indigenous and European ancestry. It is estimated that 75% of the Mexican population is mestizo, while 15% is completely White European, and the rest 10% are the last remains of the Indigenous, original peoples. However, even if most of the population is mixed, most of them seem to only value their Indigenous side for some reason. This comes from a long history of anti-spanish, anti-european and pro-indigenous ideas and policies. Even at school, they generally only teach us Indigenous history, as if we were completely Indigenous, completely forgetting our European ancestry that 90% of the population has. They don't teach us the Medieval history of our Spanish ancestors. Even worse, it is very common by Mexicans to hear the phrase "They conquered us" to which I always reply that you could only say that you were conquered if you belong to the original peoples of Mexico. If you are mestizo, you also belong to the settlers, to the colonizers. They always remind us at school about the 60+ Indigenous languages spoken in Mexico, but never about the rich history of Asturias, Catalonian, Basque, Galician, etc, all of which our ancestors also spoke.
In a more broader sense, most Mexicans are actually more European than Indigenous, culturally, historically and genetically speaking. Most of us speak Spanish and not any Indigenous language. Only 6.5% of Mexicans speak Indigenous languages. Most of us are Roman Catholic, have a Western mentality, eat and drink European food everyday, have Western-styled government and laws, and generally have European traditions. Even so, since the 1600s, Mexican people dressed according to European-styled clothing. Most of us have European last names. Most of us are predominantly genetically European, as 50% of the population has light skin, 20% has blond hair, and many other European traits as light eyes, beards, tall height, lactose tolerance, narrow noses and wavy/curly hair are not a rare sight in Mexico. So, if we are, in fact, more European, thus, more settler, why do we view ourselves as the conquered, the natives, the victims, and not what we actually are? It's because it's easier to think that way and blame our problems on others, rather than ourselves. It's easier to play the victim, when Mexico is, in many ways, not a victim. We should learn the history of our Spanish ancestors too.
It's also a common misconception that Mexico is a homogenous country, when each state is very different in terms of ethnicity, culture and history. Actually, each state has a varying degree of Indigenousness, as the Northern and Western states are less Indigenous and more European than the Central and Southern states, as there were considerably a lot less Native people living in Northern and Western Mexico when the Spanish colonized these lands. It's not a surprise that while, in Southern states like Oaxaca, 32% of the population speak Indigenous languages, in my Western state, Jalisco, they're barely spoken, with only 0.7% of the population speaking them. You cannot generalize over a country such as big and diverse as Mexico, and those were some examples of it.
Even, historically, Mexico has a story of prosecuting, murdering and displacing Indigenous cultures, specially the ones in Northern Mexico like the Yaqui, Apache, Comanche, Navajo and Kiowa cultures, specially when Mexico owned the states of California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah and Texas. However, this is barely spoken about (and we are never really taught about those Indigenous cultures, which, in some way, belonged to Mexico at some point), as a way to eliminate any sort of way to accuse Mexico of being imperialist. Mexicans love complaining about how the Spanish murdered the Indigenous cultures or how the US invaded half of our territory, when
1. We're also very Spanish, so our ancestors conquered and invaded too
2. Mexico was also imperialist and committed several massacres against the Indigenous cultures.
But when I tell them about how the Mexican government singlehandedly commanded several attacks and invasions to seize the native's lands, they say "they deserved it". The hypocrisy.
Mexicans love to celebrate the rich Indigenous culture and heritage and even label themselves as "Indigenous" while they also only want that when it doesn't interfere with their privileges and quality of life. Kind of like cultural appropriation. They love labelling themselves "Native or Aztec (even when the Aztecs only ever expanded into a small area in Central Mexico, so not all Mexicans have Aztec ancestors, only the ones living in Central Mexico)" but then proceed to derogatorily refer to the Indigenous peoples as unintelligent, lazy, fat, or inferior because of their dark skin. In essence, if you ask an Indigenous person, how they view mestizo Mexicans, most of them would answer "Spanish". You're only indigenous if you either have a predominant if not 100% Indigenous ancestry, or if you speak an Indigenous language and still hold strong community ties with an Indigenous community and culture. So no, you, Mexican mestizo, don't try to be an Indigenous because you'll never be like them, it's kind of racist. You will never suffer the same discrimination they suffer everyday in every aspect of their lives. Recognize your privileges.
That's why I consider that, essentially talking about who is the original owner of these lands, they do not belong originally to Mexico. These lands belong to us Mexicans in the same way they belong to the US or Canada. Lands obtained through conquest and invasion. Even if you have a certain degree of Indigenous in your DNA (which is, for most Mexicans, lower than they think) you are not Indigenous either. The great majority, if not all (in some cases) of your ancestors and culture comes from European settlers who moved to these lands from the 1500s to the 1800s. You belong to them. It's time for Mexico to recognize and learn its past, and stop playing the victim and blaming their problems on Spain. That's why I consider myself a settler, and you, should too. We are settlers in the same way as the British settlers in the US and Canada, or the French settlers in Quebec and Louisiana. We are settlers, we settled these lands, and it's time to recognize that your ancestors were also guilty of colonialism and conquest. So no, in essence, these lands do not originally belong to us, Mexicans.
What is your opinion on all of this?
I like your in-depth analysis and not being afraid to share your opinion! My personal opinion is that we are all settlers, no one really knows where humans come from, archaeologists studying ancient people today are still unable to pinpoint where the original homo sapiens originated from but just speculations and constant studying (currently studies show that the homo sapiens evolved and originated from Africa based on fossil discoveries but what if there are fossils yet to be found on the seabeds?). Conflicts and wars have been around since before the term colonist even existed. No one is ever truly indigenious. No one really knows how the Earth looked like so many years ago and how the plate tectonics have changed the continents that we know today. Some can even question if human beings are an invasive spesies
The biggest problems with human beings will probably be our existential and identity crisis, we don't know where we fit in the food chain or in the natural balance of things. We all want to belong but at the same time do not know where we belong. Human beings are very fickle-minded and fluid with the passage of time. The tragic truth is that the weak and poor will be oppressed by those in power regardless of race, religion, gender, etc. Hope you stay well and continue to fight for what you believe in!
-Just wanted to add that I do not condone any form of injury on another human being both mentally and physically.-
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I think that all people are at least in some way not native to where they live, because there have been so many . In Europe for example there have been many migrations and conquests throughout history. Where my family comes from (Portugal) I'd say the people there are fairly native, but of course Portuguese people have ancestors that are from other places. For a lot of the middle ages the Iberian Peninsula was under Muslim control so most Spanish and Portuguese people have ancestors from North Africa and the Middle East, most also have some Italian because of the Roman Empire, other examples of what Portuguese and Spanish have in them are Greek (because of Greek colonies in ancient times), Germanic (because of Visigoths and other Germanic kingdoms), and much more I'm sure. Also most Moroccans and Algerians have some Spanish and Portuguese because of the expulsions of the Muslims in Spain and Portugal and other Iberian kingdoms in the 1400s and 1500s. Also even if many or most of someones ancestors are "native" to an area, it doesn't mean their culture is, as you mentioned with Mexico. Anyway, I just think that no one should be discriminated against for what culture they are or what race they are, I think people should be able to practice whatever culture they want as long as they're not hurting anybody, and I think we should protect all the worlds cultures from dying out and celebrate all of them because I feel like a lot of culture is dying out and I feel like a lot of people don't care. I think all discrimination against people for their race or culture or ethnicity needs to be put to a stop.
Really interesting analysis. In Uruguay where my family originates, there are very few people left with indigenous ancestry, as most of them were cruelly slaughtered over a century ago. But now there is a kind of cringe-worthy veneration of them in Uruguayan museums and festivals. It seems a token gesture. But at least it’s acknowledged that a horrible mistake was made in the past.
I would add that even the Aztecs conquered other denizens of what is now Mexico.
Humans are acquisitive by nature, and historically, warlike.
I would add that even the Aztecs conquered other denizens of what is now Mexico.
Humans are acquisitive by nature, and historically, warlike.
Speculating into the hypocrisy you're talking about, I think it's because people in Mexico see all the privileges their neighbors the Americans have because of the color of their largest organ. They see how these people act towards people with different skin tones and they then in turn do the same with their own indigenous people in MX... in reality, they also want this "privilege". Colorism in MX has always been an issue as far as I can remember. Personally, because of my skin tone I've always been used as an object of comparison and I hate every single time it happens, it happened a lot with one of my classmates in high school, he would always comment on how "dark" he was compared to me, I got so fed up with it that I asked him if there was anything wrong with having dark skin, long story short, we had a conversation about it, he said no, and he never compared himself to me again. Yet, the question remains, why was he comparing himself to me? In media we see it all the time, en todas las telenovelas, la gran mayoría de los actores son de tez blanca y de ojos azules, so we learn who is "accepted" from a young age, which can't be further away from the truth, everyones is equally as deserving of acceptance!
Adding to your whole eduction point, I was taught a good portion of European history specifically from Spain and Italy, as well as, the history from the indigenous people in MX, but I do have to say a majority was from the latter. So I'm guessing this has more to do with where you went to school. On a side note, one of my classmates grandfather knew Náhuatl, I always thought that was super cool and that he should've been incredibly proud.
If you believe in the "el estrecho/puente de Bering" theory, then you could potentially make the argument that the indigenous peoples of the Americas are not "native" to this land either. With that said, I do not condone anything that happened with the Spanish conquest but it is important for us to acknowledge that we are likely the products of horrendous and heinous acts of violence and that the people committing those acts are ancestors to us. After acknowledging that, we can move forward and become better people. Who are ancestors were, does not make or define who we are.
Adding to your whole eduction point, I was taught a good portion of European history specifically from Spain and Italy, as well as, the history from the indigenous people in MX, but I do have to say a majority was from the latter. So I'm guessing this has more to do with where you went to school. On a side note, one of my classmates grandfather knew Náhuatl, I always thought that was super cool and that he should've been incredibly proud.
If you believe in the "el estrecho/puente de Bering" theory, then you could potentially make the argument that the indigenous peoples of the Americas are not "native" to this land either. With that said, I do not condone anything that happened with the Spanish conquest but it is important for us to acknowledge that we are likely the products of horrendous and heinous acts of violence and that the people committing those acts are ancestors to us. After acknowledging that, we can move forward and become better people. Who are ancestors were, does not make or define who we are.
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TheodoreCottontail
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I felt awkward being the first one to vote yes, almost like I wanted to change my vote for being so white presenting. My grandmother was Canadian Native American (Métis) but my 3 other grandparents were white so here I am. Me & my family has enough ancestry to have government Native Status through my dad's side. I still might change my answer though, it makes me feel guilty. I wouldn't want to talk over anyone who is fully indigenous.
The topic of colonisation in Canada is too deep for me to possibly cover in one post but if anyone wants to talk about it in messaging, feel free. I would forsee my emotions getting the best of me.
The topic of colonisation in Canada is too deep for me to possibly cover in one post but if anyone wants to talk about it in messaging, feel free. I would forsee my emotions getting the best of me.
Interesting topic and thoughtful discussion.
I don't really know how to view these things. I do know, per the ancestry tests I've taken on 23andMe and AncestryDNA, that I'm basically 100% white -- mostly German on my mother's side, mostly English on my father's. My mother's side of the family didn't come to the United States until the late 1800s and early 1900s. My father's side, on the other hand, has been here since the 1600s, and they've always lived in the north.
I guess you could say my father's side, at least, colonized to some degree. But since they lived in the north, there wasn't slavery, at least. And on my mother's side, there wasn't slavery, either, because they didn't come to the nation until well after the Civil War.
These kinds of specifics tend not to mean much in such debates, though. For many years, for example, my mother conversed with a black woman online. They were friends for many years, and my mother helped support this woman's writing career. They shared many theological views and wrote each other a lot. Toward the end of my mother's life, however, they started to drift apart, because my mother was very conservative. She always reminded that her people didn't participate in slavery or colonization. She also was very unbending on the whole flag thing with Kaepernick. She thought taking a knee was dishonoring to people who have died for the country. She remained convinced of this up to her passing in 2018. I wonder if she would have maintained such a position had she lived to see what happened to George Floyd.
My father, meanwhile, doesn't even think about any of these things. He believes people should just love each other and not argue over such matters. His life motto is, "Ignorance is bliss, and I'm a pretty happy guy." He's very pie-in-the-sky and thinks everyone should just get along and focus on their similarities rather than their differences.
Obviously I've been given very little guidance on what I should do in these kinds of matters, so I've simply been reading up more lately and trying to figure out these things more.
I don't really know how to view these things. I do know, per the ancestry tests I've taken on 23andMe and AncestryDNA, that I'm basically 100% white -- mostly German on my mother's side, mostly English on my father's. My mother's side of the family didn't come to the United States until the late 1800s and early 1900s. My father's side, on the other hand, has been here since the 1600s, and they've always lived in the north.
I guess you could say my father's side, at least, colonized to some degree. But since they lived in the north, there wasn't slavery, at least. And on my mother's side, there wasn't slavery, either, because they didn't come to the nation until well after the Civil War.
These kinds of specifics tend not to mean much in such debates, though. For many years, for example, my mother conversed with a black woman online. They were friends for many years, and my mother helped support this woman's writing career. They shared many theological views and wrote each other a lot. Toward the end of my mother's life, however, they started to drift apart, because my mother was very conservative. She always reminded that her people didn't participate in slavery or colonization. She also was very unbending on the whole flag thing with Kaepernick. She thought taking a knee was dishonoring to people who have died for the country. She remained convinced of this up to her passing in 2018. I wonder if she would have maintained such a position had she lived to see what happened to George Floyd.
My father, meanwhile, doesn't even think about any of these things. He believes people should just love each other and not argue over such matters. His life motto is, "Ignorance is bliss, and I'm a pretty happy guy." He's very pie-in-the-sky and thinks everyone should just get along and focus on their similarities rather than their differences.
Obviously I've been given very little guidance on what I should do in these kinds of matters, so I've simply been reading up more lately and trying to figure out these things more.
Reginald Fairfield
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We all are, even dating back to the Romans and antiquity. It isn't a bad thing. You need to see another perspective on current events. I also don't want to be the one to provide that, but it sounds like you want to evict a country.
Ace Marvel
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I kinda disagree with you in some points, although the general idea is accurate you are ignoring some key points, that I would like to add.
Here in Mexico we have to take into account that the Spaniards arrived and they were welcomed under the false pretense that Hernan Cortez was perceived as the god Quetzalcoatl when he arrived to central Mexico, and even before that La Malinche was a key element, uniting the two cultures, so it was easy for them to expand, since they didn't have a lot of resistance.
We can't compared what the Manifest Destiny was to the expansion of Mexico, here the key element was religion. Most of are celebrations like Dia de Muertos or our Saints, and even the Virgen of Guadalupe, were created in a way to blend indigenous religions and traditions to what is Catholicism.
I don't agree with this at all, I'm in no way arguing that the SEP has a perfect school program, but knowing about the history of Spain is irrelevant to the average mexican, and part of history is related the way it was written in this case by the mestizos, which I understand you are using as an umbrella term for all the castas system which was the most racist thing to ever happen to this country, but at the end of the day the are teaching the history of México, no our history.
Religion is the key element for this.
Talking about all the groups indigenas, yes you are correct, but the whole spectrum of Mexicans is not just indigenous people, and here is were I have the biggest disagreement with you, All indigenous groups lived as city states, but never as a unified country, so that is why you see this distribution the south of Mexico is more fertile, main reason more groups thrived and settled, north of Mexico was arid, so they moved a lot, meaning the didn't left settlements.
I will agree that Mexico is huge 13th in the world, and that is after the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty and the Independence of Texas, which I won't go much into detail, but the key elements were a country covering from an independence war and maps, maps always play a big part in history. Brazil is a Portuguese colony, because at the time the believe the were dividing America in half between Portugal and Spain.
But even speaking of Mexico as a general, we have norteños-sureños, chilangos-provincianos, etc. this is more of a cultural perspective than a geographical one.
Not that simple.
1 we are not Spanish, we are Mexicans geographically and legally. we can't go to Spain and say give me a Spanish nationality because of my heritage, being grandfathers with the Spanish nationality your only way to achieve this, but this was more of an attempt of Spain to recovered a dying population after the Franco regiment.
2 Not true, well not all, Nueva España was imperialist and cocommitted several massacres against the Indigenous cultures. Mexico made the indigenous people slaves under the haciendas method and the tienda de raya. But by the time Mexico was a country, the damage was already made.
This is not a heritage issue but more of a social construct imo, Mexicans don't celebrate indigenous culture at all, because this groups is not only ignored, but sadly is also marginalized, we celebrate Mexican culture, and what I mean by this is that we don't see the indigenous roots in things, and if we do is just as a justification to make it more Mexican, for example the doll Lele , part of the Otomí culture, has become the symbol of the state of Queretaro, but that is giving more power to the Mexican identity, not the Otomí one. And if you ask an Indigenous person what the think of mestizos, that again I don't think that term is used currectly, given it's history, of course they will say that, because the government has made it impossible for them to incorporate to the "normal" Mexico and keeping their heritage.
So no I do not considered myself a settler, because that would mean I come from somewhere else, where I can go back to, which if not the case, if I'm not Mexican, or from Mexico, I don't have an identity. Taking about privileges, yes the whiter you are and the closer you are to a white, heterosexual man, the more privileges you will have, economically and culturally, the güeritos are the pretty ones, the rich ones, the smart ones. We are not settlers, we are the consequence of years of conflict, but we didn't settle anything, we didn't invaded anything, if our ancestors did (I don't know how to say this English) no es una cruz que los toca cargar, what we need to do stop the class system that still exists in our country and start working to give everyone the same opportunities.
I put for example, learning a dialect, as a population knowing it would help maintaining it alive, but in practice, Spanish and English will always have an advantage, thanks to globalization.
I want to end, by saying that I understand were you are coming from, and why you think the way you do, but is a rich topic that you and I, are simplifying in one post. But I have to agree, that the Mexican construct of identity was build over the indigenous culture with violence and manipulation.
Here in Mexico we have to take into account that the Spaniards arrived and they were welcomed under the false pretense that Hernan Cortez was perceived as the god Quetzalcoatl when he arrived to central Mexico, and even before that La Malinche was a key element, uniting the two cultures, so it was easy for them to expand, since they didn't have a lot of resistance.
We can't compared what the Manifest Destiny was to the expansion of Mexico, here the key element was religion. Most of are celebrations like Dia de Muertos or our Saints, and even the Virgen of Guadalupe, were created in a way to blend indigenous religions and traditions to what is Catholicism.
I don't agree with this at all, I'm in no way arguing that the SEP has a perfect school program, but knowing about the history of Spain is irrelevant to the average mexican, and part of history is related the way it was written in this case by the mestizos, which I understand you are using as an umbrella term for all the castas system which was the most racist thing to ever happen to this country, but at the end of the day the are teaching the history of México, no our history.
Religion is the key element for this.
Talking about all the groups indigenas, yes you are correct, but the whole spectrum of Mexicans is not just indigenous people, and here is were I have the biggest disagreement with you, All indigenous groups lived as city states, but never as a unified country, so that is why you see this distribution the south of Mexico is more fertile, main reason more groups thrived and settled, north of Mexico was arid, so they moved a lot, meaning the didn't left settlements.
I will agree that Mexico is huge 13th in the world, and that is after the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty and the Independence of Texas, which I won't go much into detail, but the key elements were a country covering from an independence war and maps, maps always play a big part in history. Brazil is a Portuguese colony, because at the time the believe the were dividing America in half between Portugal and Spain.
But even speaking of Mexico as a general, we have norteños-sureños, chilangos-provincianos, etc. this is more of a cultural perspective than a geographical one.
complaining about how the Spanish murdered the Indigenous cultures or how the US invaded half of our territory, when
1. We're also very Spanish, so our ancestors conquered and invaded too
2. Mexico was also imperialist and committed several massacres against the Indigenous cultures.
But when I tell them about how the Mexican government singlehandedly commanded several attacks and invasions to seize the native's lands, they say "they deserved it". The hypocrisy
Not that simple.
1 we are not Spanish, we are Mexicans geographically and legally. we can't go to Spain and say give me a Spanish nationality because of my heritage, being grandfathers with the Spanish nationality your only way to achieve this, but this was more of an attempt of Spain to recovered a dying population after the Franco regiment.
2 Not true, well not all, Nueva España was imperialist and cocommitted several massacres against the Indigenous cultures. Mexico made the indigenous people slaves under the haciendas method and the tienda de raya. But by the time Mexico was a country, the damage was already made.
This is not a heritage issue but more of a social construct imo, Mexicans don't celebrate indigenous culture at all, because this groups is not only ignored, but sadly is also marginalized, we celebrate Mexican culture, and what I mean by this is that we don't see the indigenous roots in things, and if we do is just as a justification to make it more Mexican, for example the doll Lele , part of the Otomí culture, has become the symbol of the state of Queretaro, but that is giving more power to the Mexican identity, not the Otomí one. And if you ask an Indigenous person what the think of mestizos, that again I don't think that term is used currectly, given it's history, of course they will say that, because the government has made it impossible for them to incorporate to the "normal" Mexico and keeping their heritage.
So no I do not considered myself a settler, because that would mean I come from somewhere else, where I can go back to, which if not the case, if I'm not Mexican, or from Mexico, I don't have an identity. Taking about privileges, yes the whiter you are and the closer you are to a white, heterosexual man, the more privileges you will have, economically and culturally, the güeritos are the pretty ones, the rich ones, the smart ones. We are not settlers, we are the consequence of years of conflict, but we didn't settle anything, we didn't invaded anything, if our ancestors did (I don't know how to say this English) no es una cruz que los toca cargar, what we need to do stop the class system that still exists in our country and start working to give everyone the same opportunities.
I put for example, learning a dialect, as a population knowing it would help maintaining it alive, but in practice, Spanish and English will always have an advantage, thanks to globalization.
I want to end, by saying that I understand were you are coming from, and why you think the way you do, but is a rich topic that you and I, are simplifying in one post. But I have to agree, that the Mexican construct of identity was build over the indigenous culture with violence and manipulation.
Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
I forgot to mention it on my post, but I was born in Mexico and I have been living my whole life here.
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ForgottenT
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Big shocker, dumb arrogant people sitting in their air conditioned apartments, with water on tap, food in their freezers, the whole world in the palms of their hands, are mad that people in the past fought each others for survival, security, and growth?!
If it weren't for weapons of mass destruction scaring everyone, and the internet for letting us all see the lives on the other side, we'd still be at it.
Anyways to answer the question yes, my family is as Danish as it gets.
If it weren't for weapons of mass destruction scaring everyone, and the internet for letting us all see the lives on the other side, we'd still be at it.
Anyways to answer the question yes, my family is as Danish as it gets.
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Survival, security, and growth is not the same as rape, theft, and slavery.
Edit: You can't say that those 3 things were the only thing people in the past did, they took advantage of other as well.
I for one, am very aware of the privileges I have, sure, I take them for granted and complain about the little things in life from time to time, but you cannot tell me that everything that was done in the past was done with the sole intent of growth and survival, that there weren't other ways to solve conflict. Plus, talking about the past and acknowledging that mistakes were done, can help us move forward.
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