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[Propaganda Man]

I've been told that this forum is private property and that I shouldn't complain...mods don't serve members...etc.

I've been inquired to see if these things are really true. My findings are as followed:

Now, Storm is the founder. He's numero uno. He's the root admin. You can't demod him. He owns this forum, right?

Well, no. I mean, not exactly. You see, you scroll to the bottom of the board and you find, "Hosted for free by ZetaBoards". If he payed for it...he might have an argument. He hasn't and this isn't his software nor is it his server. Bottom line is that this is not his forum. He runs it, yes but this forum can be taken away from him at any time regardless of the reason because he has payed nothing for it.

The domain name has nothing to do with the forum as it would be here, just as it is, without it. He owns that though. That, though, is not the forum.

Now, let's move on.

What is the purpose of the forum? Well when admins, this not being JUST about Storm, say that users have no right to complain or that they are not being served they are speaking foolhardy.

Why is this forum here? The truth? This forum is here basically to host communication through an AC themed forum. There is no product...nothing to buy....nothing to make money off of. This forum is here to be used. Without use it is dead. Without users it is not in use.

Admins maintain the forum. They take care of technical issues and may mod on the side. Moderators moderate the forum to make sure everyone is civil. Users, happy with how the forum is running and the lack of flames/spam are in result happy and post more. As a result of posting more the forum thrives. It is happy. It is alive! The forum is a success and the moderator's and admin's work is paid off with the simple, yet so rewarding, adoration from the loyal members.

This is forum philosophy.

We members exist outside and away from this forum. We don't need this forum...yet we chose it...no....we prefer it..... Some even love it... There are very few things more rewarding than people loving what you put your time and energy into. Ask any chef.

Now, about this thread....please don't move/delete/or lock this. It is not a bad thread. I'm not looking to cause drama...and I'm open for a polite and relative discussion about what I said....in fact, the purpose of this thread is for discussion and a chance for me to voice my opinion about how the forums work.

My question, if I need one, is what do you think about what I said?

Thank you for reading, this was not made to cause drama...do not think of it in such a dim way.

 

[RiiRii]

Thats INTENCE! never thought of it that way....

 

[stand]

i say it is here for networking



the forum :0 = it


and are you sure youre not trying to cause drama -_-

 

[Ryudo Dragoon]

You are very right, I like the way you think.
Yeah, ZB is a great host but just like how American's don't "own" their houses, this forum is not owned by anyone other than ZB. c=

If this gets locked, etc, tell me, so I'll know to be mad. c:

 

[Propaganda Man]

Thats INTENCE! never thought of it that way....

That's a reason for me posting this.

 

[Jeremy]

The forums are owned by Zathyus Networks, which grants administration powers to me / The Bell Tree. It is still private property. The point is that if you don't like a forum, you can leave it. But all forums are private property, not some sort of government system where you have rights. There is not such thing as free speech when it is owned property. This is why a forum can make and enforce rules. With a business you either use their product or you do not. With a government you have rights, and should secede if they are being infringed.

 

[Propaganda Man]

The forums are owned by Zathyus Networks, which grants administration powers to me / The Bell Tree. It is still private property. The point is that if you don't like a forum, you can leave it. But all forums are private property, not some sort of government system where you have rights. There is not such thing as free speech when it is owned property. This is why a forum can make and enforce rules. With a business you either use their product or you do not. With a government you have rights, and should secede if they are being infringed.

It's private property....but not owned by you.

i.e. Make a board about porn with pictures of porn at it gets deleted.

And I didn't say government

 

[Jeremy]

The forums are owned by Zathyus Networks, which grants administration powers to me / The Bell Tree. It is still private property. The point is that if you don't like a forum, you can leave it. But all forums are private property, not some sort of government system where you have rights. There is not such thing as free speech when it is owned property. This is why a forum can make and enforce rules. With a business you either use their product or you do not. With a government you have rights, and should secede if they are being infringed.

It's private property....but not owned by you.

i.e. Make a board about porn with pictures of porn at it gets deleted.

That doesn't change anything...

 

[Propaganda Man]

The forums are owned by Zathyus Networks, which grants administration powers to me / The Bell Tree. It is still private property. The point is that if you don't like a forum, you can leave it. But all forums are private property, not some sort of government system where you have rights. There is not such thing as free speech when it is owned property. This is why a forum can make and enforce rules. With a business you either use their product or you do not. With a government you have rights, and should secede if they are being infringed.

It's private property....but not owned by you.

i.e. Make a board about porn with pictures of porn at it gets deleted.

That doesn't change anything...

Yes it does. It means you don't own this forum. You have authorities over it.

 

[reedstr16]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

 

[Jeremy]

The forums are owned by Zathyus Networks, which grants administration powers to me / The Bell Tree. It is still private property. The point is that if you don't like a forum, you can leave it. But all forums are private property, not some sort of government system where you have rights. There is not such thing as free speech when it is owned property. This is why a forum can make and enforce rules. With a business you either use their product or you do not. With a government you have rights, and should secede if they are being infringed.

It's private property....but not owned by you.

i.e. Make a board about porn with pictures of porn at it gets deleted.

That doesn't change anything...

Yes it does. It means you don't own this forum. You have authorities over it.

Then try to complain to Zathyus Networks if you are banned for example. ZN has granted me authority over a part of their software and server space as long as I keep my end of the deal. And The Bell Tree will continue to make them advertisement revenue as long as they keep their end of the deal. The point you were trying to make earlier was that TBT is not private property, but I guess you changed your mind now.

 

[Propaganda Man]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

The reason for not doing that is that other users get angry with one of theirs being silenced for arguing civilly. What would then happen to them? The chance of them leaving would be much higher. With that, the forum might die. No good admin would have that.

 

[reedstr16]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

The reason for not doing that is that other users get angry with one of theirs being silenced for arguing civilly. What would then happen to them? The chance of them leaving would be much higher. With that, the forum might die. No good admin would have that.

good point lol

 

[Propaganda Man]

The forums are owned by Zathyus Networks, which grants administration powers to me / The Bell Tree. It is still private property. The point is that if you don't like a forum, you can leave it. But all forums are private property, not some sort of government system where you have rights. There is not such thing as free speech when it is owned property. This is why a forum can make and enforce rules. With a business you either use their product or you do not. With a government you have rights, and should secede if they are being infringed.

It's private property....but not owned by you.

i.e. Make a board about porn with pictures of porn at it gets deleted.

That doesn't change anything...

Yes it does. It means you don't own this forum. You have authorities over it.

Then try to complain to Zathyus Networks if you are banned for example. ZN has granted me authority over a part of their software and server space as long as I keep my end of the deal. And The Bell Tree will continue to make them advertisement revenue as long as they keep their end of the deal. The point you were trying to make earlier was that TBT is not private property, but I guess you changed your mind now.

Authority (Partial at that) doesn't mean ownership. I've said you have authorities. These authorities can be taken away at any time regardless of what you do. What you do, though, can cause reason and quickness behind their action.

And I'm talking about relevant things with this thread.

 

[Ryudo Dragoon]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

I'd lol if any owner of a forum ever banned someone cause of a discussion/minor arguement.

 

[Jeremy]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

The reason for not doing that is that other users get angry with one of theirs being silenced for arguing civilly. What would then happen to them? The chance of them leaving would be much higher. With that, the forum might die. No good admin would have that.

It's called capitalism. Except that we don't get paid so it means even less. Part of what keeps us from banning whoever we want is simply... the desire to be nice people.

 

[Propaganda Man]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

The reason for not doing that is that other users get angry with one of theirs being silenced for arguing civilly. What would then happen to them? The chance of them leaving would be much higher. With that, the forum might die. No good admin would have that.

It's called capitalism. Except that we don't get paid so it means even less. Part of what keeps us from banning whoever we want is simply... the desire to be nice people.

Storm, if you desired to be nice you would behave much differently and would show respect instead of telling people to leave if they don't like it (History shows these people are not the ones you want around). You are here to sell a community. What is the currency? Pleasure.

And the tone is not insulting in this post.

 

[Jake123]

umm ya reedstr is right dude u shouldnt argue with the main man, the big boss, the camma :veryhappy: :no: nder etc.

 

[Leagolas1]

i dont think i would argue with the main guy on this forum even if he doesnt own it he can probably delete your stuff or something like that

lol i agree i wouldn't argue too much

 

[Propaganda Man]

umm ya reedstr is right dude u shouldnt argue with the main man, the big boss, the camma :veryhappy: :no: nder etc.

Read my main post and my response to his.