Tana Mongeau? (The N word drama, Tana vs Idubbz)

[moonford]

So I just came across this girl and she is involved with drama about the 'N word', so basically there is this guy called Idubbz/Ian and he came up behind her and stood beside her and quietly said "say N word' to the camera/Tana. He said this because she had previously said "kill yourself" to him after seeing a video (I think) were he said the N word, the problem with this is that Tana has said the N word with emphasis of 'er' a lot in the past and possibly even the present so it is very hypocritical of her and that's why he said what he said as it was a way to mock her, because there was a video were she was looking at the camera and angrily said the N word (possibly in response to someone). Tana has apologized (like that changes anything and she is only apologising because she got caught) and said she "didn't know what it meant", some think she's lying (I do) and some don't, how could she possibly not know what it meant? Its in films, the news and so on. She has made a 23 minute long video about it and she sucks up to her viewers and expresses her distress about the situation, first of all she is Caucasian so she shouldn't be offended and secondly she has said it several times in the past and possibly in the present so she is no position to say how wrong he is to say it.
Idubbz is a comedian so he is going to say controversial things but that doesn't excuse what he said even if it was in a joking manner but Tana isn't a comedian and she has used it aggressively/ in a non jokingly manner.

So who's right and who's wrong?

Personally, I think neither should have said the N word even if Idubbz is comedian and I think Tana is even worse than him, shes a liar (most likely), hypocrite and has said to Idubbz that he should kill himself for saying the word, seriously? She's the one thats crying and whining, shes doing it for views but still. I don't think either are in the right and they need to grow up.

Sorry for the errors if there are any. >.<

 

[Twisterheart]

I think Tana is worse in this situation, because she is a hypocrite. She went after iDubbbz for something she herself did. I don't care if she was 13-14 years old at the time of saying it. She was clearly saying it as an insult, and then tried to cover for herself by saying she thought it meant "friend" or "homie." Nobody uses those words as an insult so I don't buy it. She was clearly saying it knowing it was an insult. Not to mention she told him to kill himself, and she also said she hopes he breaks his legs and she would be happy.

I don't like iDubbbz saying that word at all either. I don't like that word at all. But Tana is a hypocrite in this situation. She started this drama, and then cries when people point out her hypocrisy.

 

[BrinaLouWho]

Tana is a straight up liar. Idubbz is offensive and shouldn't say the n word but Tana used to say it in a hateful way she obviously knew what the word meant and she lies about her stalker and assistant as well. This is all stupid tbh Tana set herself up for disaster. She should admit she lies and that she was just an ignorant offensive teen and move on

 

[Chicha]

Oh god, reading about these people made me cringe. Maybe I'm too old but who makes a 23 minute video to cry/apologize? I hope those people aren't adults, especially whoever Tana is. I'm not even going to look at their videos. They sound very immature and ignorant about the history behind it.

Anyway, using the n word is not okay. Most people who apologize after saying it only do so because they were called out. If you're not black, don't say it. It's not rocket science.

 

[Nuclear Bingo]

Ian is a savage. But Mongeau is dumb, I agree with Ian. He can truly be ruthless but I don't think he has done anything morally wrong in particular. Ian puts himself out there, and people like him. Mongeau wants people to like her obviously. She got caught up in herself. It's obvious from her behavior. I agree with what he said at the end of the video. Being offended is a choice

 

[forestyne]

tbh, iDubbz is a piece of ****, but so is Tana. Her whole 'stalker breaking into her house & sending the email' think was debunked. The dude supposedly sent her two emails but he had receipts to say that he didn't even send it. A girl went to her old apartment in Las Vegas and easily got into her bedroom, no security stopped her at ALL. She continuously lies to her fans' faces and victimises herself to seem innocent and she has these 12 year old buttlickers to back her up on it.

When she said "I thought it meant 'homie', these white rappers were saying it too", the rapper she mentioned the name of strongly opposed the use of white rappers using the word (I forgot his name, I'm obviously not hip). The video in question also has her saying the 'N' word with a hard 'r', in a hateful and disgustingly derogatory manner and she's not even 13 like she claims. Her racist tweets date back to TWO YEARS AGO, when she would only be 16. She claims 13. Even those tweets have the 'n' word in a racist way (with an 'r'). But like I said, she constantly tries to victimise herself so people will love her. Her channel should be deleted, in my opinion. The 'n' word should just be left in the 1800s, with slavery.


Sorry that I went a little bit all out there.

 

[f11]

Um they are both racist and trash for saying that word and none of them are right.

 

[Celestefey]

I agree with Ian. I don't think he has really done anything wrong? I understand his points. And in those instances of using the n-word, he was using it to quote HER or things that other people have said, or using it to show exactly how stupid or pathetic she was being. I don't really know WHY she attacked him or if he did something to provoke that action but she handled the whole situation so pathetically and childishly. I admit it was REALLY petty of him to go all that way to see her during her tour for the video, but that's just the kind of length he will go for his videos - and people enjoy that he will really go that extra mile to do something crazy (I say that as a fan of him, lmao).

Btw, I totally disagree with the use of slurs, and I don't use them myself (considering I just find better ways to articulate myself anyway), but Ian was right in his point of either finding "all slurs offensive or none of them offensive" at all, and not picking + choosing which you CAN and can't say.

Edit: And yup, Tana is complete trash. I had never heard of her until recently and I'm glad I haven't until now, she's awful and her videos are just horrendous. I don't think I need to say more because ^ above posts just do it justice as to why she's garbage LOL

 

[moonford]

Ian was right in his point of either finding "all slurs offensive or none of them offensive" at all.

This is what I like about Ian, he speaks his mind and he's logical unlike that dumbo.

I don't watch his videos but I will say that he's very intelligent with the way he speaks and how he knew Tana would react the way she would when he arrived at her tour, its all part of his plan to destroy her without doing much, just show the hypocrisy and that's all.

People have given the N word way to much power, specifically white people who have 'white guilt' which is exactly what Tana is representing, he made the point that other racial slurs that relate to let's say...Asian people, don't bring nearly as much attention than a racist slur against a black person does, yet those are the people who are basically slaves these days, look at their working conditions, their pay and so on, its unbearable and people don't care/realise because those are the people who make our clothes, toys and so on, yet a slur against them is shrugged off like it was nothing.

- I do think the N word has a lot of history and has a horrible background, so calling a black person that is extremely nasty and you are disgusting for saying the word to someone directly whether it be a joke or seriously.

Ian hasn't said it to a black person.

Messy times.

 

[Bowie]

They both sound like children. Neither of them are right. I just hope that, like the children that they are, they grow out of their pettiness.

 

[AnimalCrossingPerson]

With no context, it's just a word. People don't go burning dictionaries, so I don't see why they should get up in arms over this, at least from what I've read here.

 

[Nightmares]

Lmaoo I watched Ian's Content Cop on it... he honestly makes some good points, and Tana seems really dumb

I think I died from cringing when he met her y7txutx but I was lowkey enjoying it at the same time hnn

 

[mogyay]

With no context, it's just a word. People don't go burning dictionaries, so I don't see why they should get up in arms over this, at least from what I've read here.

but the word has context, it doesn't really matter what intent you use it in (imo). i think they're both dumb but then again i only heard of them today

 

[Romaki]

The only thing I took from this is that Tana is incredibly stupid yet a stubborn liar as well.
And that Ian's Content Cop on her was way too short, but I guess he wanted to get it out while the topic is hot.

- - - Post Merge - - -

But on the topic, I personally won't use the word, but I see where Ian's coming from (take the power from the word itself) and in the end I'm white and have no history or any bad memory with that word, so I don't think I can really speak on that topic.

I'm just so tired of Tana's bull**** and I started knowing about her only from this scandal, starting from her insulting Ian on her Twitter, saying he should kill himself, that she would be happy if something happened to him and painting him as an assaulter.

Also tired of people excusing her bull**** because of her age.

 

[forestyne]

With no context, it's just a word. People don't go burning dictionaries, so I don't see why they should get up in arms over this, at least from what I've read here.

But the word does have context. And it's still an offensive word with history regardless of what context you're using it in. You can't excuse a word's racist origins easily.

 

[Goshi]

I don't like either of 'em since I'm black and know the feel of that slur and it shouldn't be used by either of them. Like... the way they use it, or Idubbbz specifically, is niche satire. Satire can be harmful. Satire that doesn’t challenge what it is satirizing can really quickly move away from originally being satire, and most people who use racism in their comedic style definitely don't make any challenges.

The problem with “I’m not really racist [or sexist, or homophobic, etc.], it’s just a joke” is that it makes positively zero difference. Saying something prejudiced automatically caters to people with a prejudiced mindset. They love it, every neo-nazi fascist skinhead and fundie bible-thumping zealot adores the jokes about black people or trans women and trying to pass them off as harmless nonsense. It's giving them fuel, giving them something to hide behind, making them feel like who tells these jokes is on their side.

If the supposed satire in question only makes the people meant to mock it feel catered to/justified, then it isn’t good satire, or satire at all. It loses whatever criticizing merit it had going to it if it’s completely and utterly indistinguishable from whatever it is that is being satirized. People use this type of humor to justify their racist beliefs a lot of the time, and it's just... gross. I'm not excusing Tana's behavior, though. With Tana, she's painting herself as a victim in the "poor me" attitude, as if she's not in the wrong and everyone should pity her.

Like, slurs aren’t just “mean names” you know? Slurs are slurs for a reason. Slurs are words with long painful histories. Slurs are words weighed down with death, pain, sadness, loss. You can’t just throw them around to show how edgy you are, how much you don’t care. There is never an appropriate time to use a slur that doesn’t belong to you.

 

[forestyne]

I don't like either of 'em since I'm black and know the feel of that slur and it shouldn't be used by either of them. Like... the way they use it, or Idubbbz specifically, is niche satire. Satire can be harmful. Satire that doesn’t challenge what it is satirizing can really quickly move away from originally being satire, and most people who use racism in their comedic style definitely don't make any challenges.

The problem with “I’m not really racist [or sexist, or homophobic, etc.], it’s just a joke” is that it makes positively zero difference. Saying something prejudiced automatically caters to people with a prejudiced mindset. They love it, every neo-nazi fascist skinhead and fundie bible-thumping zealot adores the jokes about black people or trans women and trying to pass them off as harmless nonsense. It's giving them fuel, giving them something to hide behind, making them feel like who tells these jokes is on their side.

If the supposed satire in question only makes the people meant to mock it feel catered to/justified, then it isn’t good satire, or satire at all. It loses whatever criticizing merit it had going to it if it’s completely and utterly indistinguishable from whatever it is that is being satirized. People use this type of humor to justify their racist beliefs a lot of the time, and it's just... gross. I'm not excusing Tana's behavior, though. With Tana, she's painting herself as a victim in the "poor me" attitude, as if she's not in the wrong and everyone should pity her.

Like, slurs aren’t just “mean names” you know? Slurs are slurs for a reason. Slurs are words with long painful histories. Slurs are words weighed down with death, pain, sadness, loss. You can’t just throw them around to show how edgy you are, how much you don’t care. There is never an appropriate time to use a slur that doesn’t belong to you.

I get what you're saying, but Ian said in his Content Cop on Tana that the point of going to her show was to not only call her out on the dirt he dug up on her, but also make the point that either all slurs should be allowed to be said or none of them are. I think he understands that slurs are harmful and that it's ridiculous that you should be allowed to say one slur but the others aren't okay. For example, slurs towards Asian people, trans people, homosexual people and Jewish people should not be said because it has a past, so why should anybody be allowed to say that?

I agree with you though, satire and ironic jokes using slurs are harmful. I've noticed that PewDiePie has started to sink into this type of comedy, too.

 

[Goshi]

I get what you're saying, but Ian said in his Content Cop on Tana that the point of going to her show was to not only call her out on the dirt he dug up on her, but also make the point that either all slurs should be allowed to be said or none of them are. I think he understands that slurs are harmful and that it's ridiculous that you should be allowed to say one slur but the others aren't okay. For example, slurs towards Asian people, trans people, homosexual people and Jewish people should not be said because it has a past, so why should anybody be allowed to say that?

I agree with you though, satire and ironic jokes using slurs are harmful. I've noticed that PewDiePie has started to sink into this type of comedy, too.

Even if he truly understands the history and such behind it, it doesn't give him a pass. It's not a necessity to use the word to get this sort of point across. Like I said, there's never an appropriate time to use a slur that doesn’t belong to you. The process of reclaiming a slur is there for a reason.

 

[Celestefey]

Even if he truly understands the history and such behind it, it doesn't give him a pass. It's not a necessity to use the word to get this sort of point across. Like I said, there's never an appropriate time to use a slur that doesn?t belong to you. The process of reclaiming a slur is there for a reason.

I get that, but he was also just quoting what someone else had said? It wasn't like he himself was using the slur as an insult against her in the video, whereas Tana evidently WAS in her videos. So you're saying if someone has said a slur you can't also say it when quoting them?

Also about satire appealing to "people who are genuinely racist" and thus making them feel justified - then that's just them missing the point of the humour and not justifying them? any one with some sort of intelligence will be able to work out when satire is satire and not something to be taken seriously - if someone feels like their beliefs are being justified in that sense then that's on them and not the person making the joke.

 

[Stepheroo]

Are these YouTubers, or something? I'm sure I've heard of iDubbbz before (in a negative way, like about people hating him) but idfk who Tana is. I don't think anyone should use the n word, period. Even when African-Americans use it, it's hard for me to understand why a word like that could, in good conscience, be used toward your fellow man, knowing the history behind the word.

also why do people give youtubers (esp. ones like this) the time of day tho?