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given toad's current sate on the nl, and the misdirection of guilt towards qwerty's lynch. i'm unvoting for qwerty and switching to toad. not only were they incredibly defensive when questioned about a d1 NL, but they've also come accross as abrasive and a bit threatening with their "you'll regret lynching me" back in one of their earlier posts, which makes me believe they could possible be a blue role.. and by their threatening demeanor it certain has given me a HUGE red flag on toad's claimed "ignorance for the game"

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if I re-read it and understand I will post saying ok lets go... but this is literally my first real game of mafia, so I just don't know whats happening

Were gonna be looking at the same odds of getting mafia in a lynch at some point in this game whether its day one or day two or whatever.... however we get more time to weigh our options and decide on whose mafia by not lynching, we are gonna lower our odds of overall success though by expediting the lynching of our own freaking people, so if we aren't sure then we should just bow out....

you have to think if the flow of this conversation was going towards lynching someone who wasn't mafia, don't you think the mafia would WANT us to then go ahead and lynch someone?

i think this is you trying to back yourself up by showing your remorse towards us lynching qwerty.


I really do understand the whole "success rate of lynches mentality" but maybe its my newness to this game that still doesn't make that seem right...

and honestly if I was mafia and saying all this it would make me the biggest freaking target ever, so do you really think I would be going out of my way this much to put my neck on the line if I didn't actually believe that NL is the better option?

yes. misdirection is key in this game.

and your constant reminded that "this is my first game" over and over again is your shield to use.

ok.... I'm just trying to comprehend it all, you gonna pigeonhole me for trying to understand this... people think in different ways all the time and this is literally my first game of mafia here. I just don't foresee the advantage of random lynching vs more informed lynching, we clearly want to go along with the whole lynching first day thing, so I'm game with it since you all have more experience than I do... I will just watch this to see how it all plays out. Note I'm not doing all this to sway us one way because thats clearly not working, but rather play devil's advocate just in case others saw NL as good option too

and go ahead, lynch me.... but you will be sorry

why will we be sorry?

it sounds like a complete threat towards us if we suspect you.

:^)
 
why on earth is having guilt on Qwerty's vote making me a target.... if anything it should assure you I'm not mafia, if I was mafia and finally gotten all that attention off me and on to someone else don't you think I would've shut up?

where I'm coming from is this.... yes I whole-heartedly believed that NL was a better strategy as someone who is completely new to actually playing this game, however after all this backlash I've been getting and looking into more and trying to understand the other perspective, I'm convinced that yeah its probably a better strategy to at least TRY to get someone rather than just rolling over to let the mafia come get us. BUT as someone who was originally (like a few horus ago) and genuinely convinced that NL was a good idea, you can imagine that, now that I'm onboard for d1 lynching, I want to make sure we at least can have a shadow of a doubt that the person we are lynching is the best option... so when I found it weird that Qwerty just gave up, it was a red flag that maybe they aren't really a mafia after all and they are just fed up with trying to prove their innocence to their own people and that maybe we should rethink it, I wanted to start a conversation about it in general.... lord knows I know the feeling of explaining innocence! I'm sorry if you think I'm flip flopping on whether you should fight or not if you get pegged, but I felt like explaining myself was very necessary as getting lynched for genuine newness to the game is gonna be the worst story ever....
 
i don't think your ignorance is all that genuine, toad.
 
Current Vote Count #3


Lynn105-0: Alexi

Qwerty111-4: Mother of all Llamas, Taesaek, lynn105, toadsworthy, Alexi

Toadsworthy-2: Runeraider, Taesaek, Qwerty111


Players not voting: Qwerty111, Helloxcutiee, Inkling




You currently have 1 hour left to vote. Currently, Qwerty111 is set to be lynched.
 
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why on earth is having guilt on Qwerty's vote making me a target.... if anything it should assure you I'm not mafia, if I was mafia and finally gotten all that attention off me and on to someone else don't you think I would've shut up?

where I'm coming from is this.... yes I whole-heartedly believed that NL was a better strategy as someone who is completely new to actually playing this game, however after all this backlash I've been getting and looking into more and trying to understand the other perspective, I'm convinced that yeah its probably a better strategy to at least TRY to get someone rather than just rolling over to let the mafia come get us. BUT as someone who was originally (like a few horus ago) and genuinely convinced that NL was a good idea, you can imagine that, now that I'm onboard for d1 lynching, I want to make sure we at least can have a shadow of a doubt that the person we are lynching is the best option... so when I found it weird that Qwerty just gave up, it was a red flag that maybe they aren't really a mafia after all and they are just fed up with trying to prove their innocence to their own people and that maybe we should rethink it, I wanted to start a conversation about it in general.... lord knows I know the feeling of explaining innocence! I'm sorry if you think I'm flip flopping on whether you should fight or not if you get pegged, but I felt like explaining myself was very necessary as getting lynched for genuine newness to the game is gonna be the worst story ever....

unless you're both mafia and your ply to bring their lynch down and change the vote to someone else was an attempt at misdirection to us lynching qwerty? but even so, it's a little ballsy to go under fire, and then throw yourself out there YET again for someone else.

i don't think it proves your innocence though, because anything can be an act, be it an act of ballsy stupidity or an act of completely silence while you let someone else take the lynching.

regardless there's only two people this far who've shown me some sus behavior, you, and qwerty.
 
Alright. In the unfortunate, and probable lynching of yours truly, I've gathered all my thoughts.

>If I am lynched(and innocent, of course), who drove my lynch without much reason? Toadworthy and Lynn voted for me but didn't have much to say on the matter. (Unless I missed it) Kinda puts my theory of them working together more valid. I'm super suspicious of both of them. Especially with Toadworthy always banging on about how unexperienced he is. We get it! We're all unexperienced here!

>if anyone at all is lynched, and innocent, check their posts on the first page! Here's all mine, for example. http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5497857
 
Alright. In the unfortunate, and probable lynching of yours truly, I've gathered all my thoughts.

>If I am lynched(and innocent, of course), who drove my lynch without much reason? Toadworthy and Lynn voted for me but didn't have much to say on the matter. (Unless I missed it) Kinda puts my theory of them working together more valid. I'm super suspicious of both of them. Especially with Toadworthy always banging on about how unexperienced he is. We get it! We're all unexperienced here!

>if anyone at all is lynched, and innocent, check their posts on the first page! Here's all mine, for example. http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5497857

nobody drove your lynch more than alexi, but they've done nothing sus in my case.
lynn was quick to support a side, but that's all we've got from em.

right now we need a vote from inkling and a vote from cutiee and it depends on their vote. :'/
 
seriously, why would I put myself BACK out there after all that.... I did it because I genuinely want us to get someone, and sorry if I had my doubts about Qwerty and voiced my opinion about it, I wanted to know if anyone else was thinking the same thing, which we clearly were as we all voiced how perplexed we were to Qwerty's sudden silence! Why would I make that big of a ballsy move so early? what gain as a mafia would I have gotten doing that? to gain some shield? I clearly don't have any shield right now.....
 
nobody drove your lynch more than alexi, but they've done nothing sus in my case.
lynn was quick to support a side, but that's all we've got from em.

right now we need a vote from inkling and a vote from cutiee and it depends on their vote. :'/

Nnn.. Alexi kinda made valid points mostly.
 
@toad.

i find your flop weird though.
like scum trying to seem townie.

you stated you're all for the NL, 100% don't wanna lynch anybody but you wen't for qwerty's lynch anyway?
and then you seemed to try to flip that and reach out to see if anyone felt guilt for it? it's like you flipped around because qwerty was a weak mislynch so that means that maybe you're mafia and you're covering for someone else + yourself?

you + lynn?
you + heloxcutiee?
you + inkling?


the biggest red flag has been you.
 
Nnn.. Alexi kinda made valid points mostly.

or I mean she was making points that seemed clear and followable.... I called her out as being mafia-ish at one point... to which she said what a scummy thing to say, then a few posts later she arrived back and defended me.... gimme a sec I will quote them
 
seriously, why would I put myself BACK out there after all that.... I did it because I genuinely want us to get someone, and sorry if I had my doubts about Qwerty and voiced my opinion about it.

why the hell do you use so any ellipsis god damn.

anyway, if you genuinely feel like qwerty wasn't the scum, why vote for them? and then flop?
this makes me feel like you know more than us. since you eventually jumped on board with everyone else for qwerty's lynch and now you're feeling like "they might not actually be the scum!"

what do you know that we don't?
who's the scum then?
 
I may have changed my mind a lot but this was because there was always people always making really convincing evidence and stats and the like. It was really hard to proccess the huge chunky paras so I didn't. And also because I wasn't thinking straight mostly. So yeah. ^-^
 
@toad.

i find your flop weird though.
like scum trying to seem townie.

you stated you're all for the NL, 100% don't wanna lynch anybody but you wen't for qwerty's lynch anyway?
and then you seemed to try to flip that and reach out to see if anyone felt guilt for it? it's like you flipped around because qwerty was a weak mislynch so that means that maybe you're mafia and you're covering for someone else + yourself?

you + lynn?
you + heloxcutiee?
you + inkling?


the biggest red flag has been you.

I made that thought process change, because if we were gonna get anything done as townies we needed to be on the same page... and I wasn't being helpful to that by playing devil's advocate anymore! so I switched my efforts onto trying to figure out a mafia to picking someone to lynch, since thats what a majority of us (whether it was mafia or town)wanted to do, I wasn't being any help by constantly whining at us not to lynch! and yes what Alexi said about Qwerty's flip flopping on who to pick was getting supremely weird, they didn't seem to exlain their thoughts change very well.... and seemed content on calling out someone else, so long as it wasn't them....

and I am sorry about the go ahead and lynch me, you will be sorry statement! I realize now that Scum or Town, it looks really pretentious, and if I go out, I don't wanna be remembered that way
 
why would you state you "genuinely want to lynch the scum" but you were once 100% on board for the NL?

why are you so defensive right now?

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and I am sorry about the go ahead and lynch me, you will be sorry statement! I realize now that Scum or Town, it looks really pretentious, and if I go out, I don't wanna be remembered that way

you don't have to be sorry, you already said it.
it was a clear as day threat to us lynching you.

either you know something we don't, or you're really ballsy at how you play.
 
Toad is defiantly the one to watch. He's been pushing nl like crazy and then he votes me without even a slither of explaination. What a bandwaggoner. I've flipped sides a lot but geez, toad is ridiculous.
 
why on earth is having guilt on Qwerty's vote making me a target.... if anything it should assure you I'm not mafia, if I was mafia and finally gotten all that attention off me and on to someone else don't you think I would've shut up?

where I'm coming from is this.... yes I whole-heartedly believed that NL was a better strategy as someone who is completely new to actually playing this game, however after all this backlash I've been getting and looking into more and trying to understand the other perspective, I'm convinced that yeah its probably a better strategy to at least TRY to get someone rather than just rolling over to let the mafia come get us. BUT as someone who was originally (like a few horus ago) and genuinely convinced that NL was a good idea, you can imagine that, now that I'm onboard for d1 lynching, I want to make sure we at least can have a shadow of a doubt that the person we are lynching is the best option... so when I found it weird that Qwerty just gave up, it was a red flag that maybe they aren't really a mafia after all and they are just fed up with trying to prove their innocence to their own people and that maybe we should rethink it, I wanted to start a conversation about it in general.... lord knows I know the feeling of explaining innocence! I'm sorry if you think I'm flip flopping on whether you should fight or not if you get pegged, but I felt like explaining myself was very necessary as getting lynched for genuine newness to the game is gonna be the worst story ever....

idk I feel like if they're scum the reason they're quiet is because if they say anything else they might giveaway their buddy

Alright. In the unfortunate, and probable lynching of yours truly, I've gathered all my thoughts.

>If I am lynched(and innocent, of course), who drove my lynch without much reason? Toadworthy and Lynn voted for me but didn't have much to say on the matter. (Unless I missed it) Kinda puts my theory of them working together more valid. I'm super suspicious of both of them. Especially with Toadworthy always banging on about how unexperienced he is. We get it! We're all unexperienced here!

>if anyone at all is lynched, and innocent, check their posts on the first page! Here's all mine, for example. http://www.belltreeforums.com/search.php?searchid=5497857

Yeah I didn't have much to say, but I did buy into alexi's post, and I mean if you don't want me to just repeat what she said just ignore this lol: Your very strong opinion at first onto NL and then the flip to "Not even I'm forcing a nl that much." to a lynch basically, didn't even put the pieces together until she pointed it out


as for toad I mean I guess he would assume that people would usually strike back after being accused scum but instead they didn't, kinda confusing them? idk I see it the opposite and them not wanting to give anything away afterwards and I only know this because I've played in games before

@tae I can see some of your points but I still feel like qwerty lynch makes ?more sense?
Going to be honest this point is weird:
since you eventually jumped on board with everyone else for qwerty's lynch and now you're feeling like "they might not actually be the scum!"
Wouldn't they shut their mouth instead? Why focus the lynch on someone else if someone is nearly close to being lynched? like from scum point of view why would you even do that

Group me all you want but I really don't see this as something scummy
 
why would you state you "genuinely want to lynch the scum" but you were once 100% on board for the NL?

why are you so defensive right now?

because you keep questioning literally everything I say, so like what do you want me to say?
I take back the Alexi thing, she called me scum for the NL thing but then once she read my posts was like ok, I don't believe he's mafia....

I WANT TO LYNCH MAFIA SO THAT TOWNIES WILL WIN
is there a difference between Mafia and Scum that I don't understand????
YES I was on board for NL at the start of today, but thats because I couldnt wrap my head around the other strategy.... and we were all up in the air about what to do.... once I saw how everyone seemed to think it was the right thing to do and re read it like 500 times, I saw the premise behind it and decided to stop being a beeyatch to the progression of the thread and start trying to help determine who to lynch
which I did think the best idea was Qwerty.... due to their flip flopping go with the flow attitude, then they fell off and I pictured them being a townie, defeated and just gonna let the lynching happen and I felt bad, so I threw out that post wondering if anyone was feeling guilty and that it was wrong, to which you just lunged at me and pulled up this huge story about how I am doing it to get rid of the remorse I have for not getting lynched...

holy hell I do use a ton of ellipsises
 
omg why all this so close to day end.

@tae you sure this is your first mafia game? lmao

I made that thought process change, because if we were gonna get anything done as townies we needed to be on the same page... and I wasn't being helpful to that by playing devil's advocate anymore! so I switched my efforts onto trying to figure out a mafia to picking someone to lynch, since thats what a majority of us (whether it was mafia or town)wanted to do, I wasn't being any help by constantly whining at us not to lynch! and yes what Alexi said about Qwerty's flip flopping on who to pick was getting supremely weird, they didn't seem to exlain their thoughts change very well.... and seemed content on calling out someone else, so long as it wasn't them....

and I am sorry about the go ahead and lynch me, you will be sorry statement! I realize now that Scum or Town, it looks really pretentious, and if I go out, I don't wanna be remembered that way

i'm sorry, explain who is "them"? me, or qwerty? i assume qwerty but want to make sure.
 
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