The ACNH Rant Thread

[Boidoh]

Thank goodness there is a rant thread because I just have to get this out of my system.

I feel like these forums are the most toxic they have ever been around here. Day after day there is at least a new thread trying to attack other people. Whether it is for the love or for the hate of New Horizons. I know I don't have to participate in these threads or read these threads, but when a thread happens to get a lot of posts in a very short amount of time, I get curious. It is starting to feel like for those people who do want to try to discuss things, we have to tiptoe around people with very precise wording (sometimes to the point of overwording) in order to not get what we are trying to say or ask twisted around and used as ammo against us.

Every day there are also people ranting that they can't be critical of New Horizons where the most popular posts in this subsection of the forum are those that are highly critical of New Horizons. Some to the point of just plain hate and frustration.

It has gotten to the point where Reddit is comparatively less toxic than the forums. And before anyone says to "just go and enjoy Reddit if you hate the forums enough to rant about them", that is what I intend to do for a while.

I have a feeling this particular line is directed at me, so I'll respond as such.

The posts that are critical of NH seem the most popular due to how fast replies come in, but majority of the replies tend to be by staunch defenders of NH. I don't think I hate NH, but the level of insanity and the number of hoops I have to jump through to make a point about NH being lacking in many regards - it's ridiculous. It feels to the point that I am being gaslighted into believing that I'm wrong and I should just be happy with NH like everybody else.

 

[Matt0106]

I have a feeling this particular line is directed at me, so I'll respond as such.

The posts that are critical of NH seem the most popular due to how fast replies come in, but majority of the replies tend to be by staunch defenders of NH. I don't think I hate NH, but the level of insanity and the number of hoops I have to jump through to make a point about NH being lacking in many regards - it's ridiculous. It feels to the point that I am being gaslighted into believing that I'm wrong and I should just be happy with NH like everybody else.

I wouldn't say anyone is "jumping through hoops" to get their points across. I must've read countless posts on threads regarding lack of furniture, poor dialogue, how NH is lesser compared to NL, etc. There is no minority here. Many users on the forums have stated these issues, time and time before you have.

This is where the frustration comes from. There's just a very large amount of negative threads bustling in ever since launch, and it was fine the first few months, but we're almost a year in and the same threads aren't slowing down. I feel like every time I come on here, it's déjà vu. Just a couple days ago, there was an entire thread about how bad the beans were. bEaNs. Before that, there was one made about how you can't wish while holding something. These are very minuscule issues; very fitting for this thread in fact. So, no. You are not jumping through hoops. We've been hearing the complaints loud and clear. And hey, I even have some of my own, like the lack of Nintendo items and amiibo characters, but I'm not going to rip at Nintendo because of it, because who knows how smooth or rough the development was for them?

And this last bit is not directed towards you, but toward those who call us "defenders of NH": we are not defenders. There is no crime in enjoying the game, just like how there is no crime in criticizing it, and I find it absurd that if I say "hey I actually like the crafting" or "I don't mind the dialogue, it's not as repetitive as NL imo", I'm looked at like a mindless fanboy. Everyone has a right to their own voice and opinion, but I guess the point I'M trying to get across is filling up the forums with threads revolving around the same issues isn't always required (though I know the staff said everyone can make a thread on whatever they like; I'm just stating how I feel on the matter).

 

[Boidoh]

This is where the frustration comes from. There's just a very large amount of negative threads bustling in ever since launch, and it was fine the first few months, but we're almost a year in and the same threads aren't slowing down. I feel like every time I come on here, it's déjà vu. Just a couple days ago, there was an entire thread about how bad the beans were. bEaNs. Before that, there was one made about how you can't wish while holding something. These are very minuscule issues; very fitting for this thread in fact. So, no. You are not jumping through hoops. We've been hearing the complaints loud and clear. And hey, I even have some of my own, like the lack of Nintendo items and amiibo characters, but I'm not going to rip at Nintendo because of it, because who knows how smooth or rough the development was for them?

First of all - what's the issue with there being several threads about the shortcomings of NH? Why shouldn't the people who feel strongly about the game voice their opinions? Like I said in another thread, what do you want there to be topics for? "Favourite New Reaction?" If ACNH is a "chill" game? The colour of Festivale items in your shop? General game questions?

I'd be lying if I didn't acknowledge that there is a sense of enjoyment in debating the, yes, defenders of NH. It's somewhat fun. Having debate is a good thing.

Secondly, what you're doing here is to ridicule people who disagree with your opinion on the game. Some people in life see a big picture - maybe that's what you see with ACNH. Perhaps for your the overall gameplay experience was streamlined and enhanced, and that's all you need. For some of us, the "little things" are what matter. And this isn't something strictly relegated to Animal Crossing. Many who care about the "little things" in life are often condemned for being like that. This forum is just an extension of that sentiment. They are miniscule things - but, small things add up. That's why a lot of people love New Leaf so much - it cared about the little things. There's nothing wrong in feeling let down because YET ANOTHER disappointment came your way from NH (in the case of beans). And actually, the thing with wishing is a major issue that actually affects gameplay. There are many times (from habit of New Leaf) where I'd try to wish on a star but I was holding a ladder or something. Then the star goes away and I lose my chance. I then had to start a habit of running around hands empty at night due to a fear of missing the stars when they come. In isolation, ridicule it all you want about how it's a relatively meaningless thing in a bigger picture - however, add it up with all the other tiny complaints and for those of use who enjoy the little things - the game gradually gets worse.

And this last bit is not directed towards you, but toward those who call us "defenders of NH": we are not defenders.

Well, I used to the term so it is directed at me. Nothing wrong with that though.

Maybe YOU aren't a "defender of NH" - but there definitely are some on this forum! Not those that simply say "I enjoy NH more", but those who deny and renounce anything that existed in a previous Animal Crossing game. Those that will use their very last breath to deny that Nintendo didn't give it their all with this game.

 

[tajikey]

First of all - what's the issue with there being several threads about the shortcomings of NH? Why shouldn't the people who feel strongly about the game voice their opinions? Like I said in another thread, what do you want there to be topics for? "Favourite New Reaction?" If ACNH is a "chill" game? The colour of Festivale items in your shop? General game questions?

I'd be lying if I didn't acknowledge that there is a sense of enjoyment in debating the, yes, defenders of NH. It's somewhat fun. Having debate is a good thing.

Secondly, what you're doing here is to ridicule people who disagree with your opinion on the game. Some people in life see a big picture - maybe that's what you see with ACNH. Perhaps for your the overall gameplay experience was streamlined and enhanced, and that's all you need. For some of us, the "little things" are what matter. And this isn't something strictly relegated to Animal Crossing. Many who care about the "little things" in life are often condemned for being like that. This forum is just an extension of that sentiment. They are miniscule things - but, small things add up. That's why a lot of people love New Leaf so much - it cared about the little things. There's nothing wrong in feeling let down because YET ANOTHER disappointment came your way from NH (in the case of beans). And actually, the thing with wishing is a major issue that actually affects gameplay. There are many times (from habit of New Leaf) where I'd try to wish on a star but I was holding a ladder or something. Then the star goes away and I lose my chance. I then had to start a habit of running around hands empty at night due to a fear of missing the stars when they come. In isolation, ridicule it all you want about how it's a relatively meaningless thing in a bigger picture - however, add it up with all the other tiny complaints and for those of use who enjoy the little things - the game gradually gets worse.



Well, I used to the term so it is directed at me. Nothing wrong with that though.

Maybe YOU aren't a "defender of NH" - but there definitely are some on this forum! Not those that simply say "I enjoy NH more", but those who deny and renounce anything that existed in a previous Animal Crossing game. Those that will use their very last breath to deny that Nintendo didn't give it their all with this game.

Defender of NH here, and proud of it! Might even have to sell merch and distribute to the finite list of members that feel the same way I do.

That's all I have to say, as this is a rant thread, and I don't have any rants against the game at the moment (unless you count the fact that I REALLY want the Festivale confetti machine to show up in my Nook's, because that thing is awesome!).

 

[Matt0106]

First of all - what's the issue with there being several threads about the shortcomings of NH? Why shouldn't the people who feel strongly about the game voice their opinions? Like I said in another thread, what do you want there to be topics for? "Favourite New Reaction?" If ACNH is a "chill" game? The colour of Festivale items in your shop? General game questions?

I'd be lying if I didn't acknowledge that there is a sense of enjoyment in debating the, yes, defenders of NH. It's somewhat fun. Having debate is a good thing.

Secondly, what you're doing here is to ridicule people who disagree with your opinion on the game. Some people in life see a big picture - maybe that's what you see with ACNH. Perhaps for your the overall gameplay experience was streamlined and enhanced, and that's all you need. For some of us, the "little things" are what matter. And this isn't something strictly relegated to Animal Crossing. Many who care about the "little things" in life are often condemned for being like that. This forum is just an extension of that sentiment. They are miniscule things - but, small things add up. That's why a lot of people love New Leaf so much - it cared about the little things. There's nothing wrong in feeling let down because YET ANOTHER disappointment came your way from NH (in the case of beans). And actually, the thing with wishing is a major issue that actually affects gameplay. There are many times (from habit of New Leaf) where I'd try to wish on a star but I was holding a ladder or something. Then the star goes away and I lose my chance. I then had to start a habit of running around hands empty at night due to a fear of missing the stars when they come. In isolation, ridicule it all you want about how it's a relatively meaningless thing in a bigger picture - however, add it up with all the other tiny complaints and for those of use who enjoy the little things - the game gradually gets worse.



Well, I used to the term so it is directed at me. Nothing wrong with that though.

Maybe YOU aren't a "defender of NH" - but there definitely are some on this forum! Not those that simply say "I enjoy NH more", but those who deny and renounce anything that existed in a previous Animal Crossing game. Those that will use their very last breath to deny that Nintendo didn't give it their all with this game.

I'm not ridiculing anyone and I'm sorry if it came off that way. Maybe the way I said "bEaNs" came off a little ridicule-y, but that was more for topical humour since everyone takes such small details so seriously (and honestly good for them if they're passionate!). But obviously everyone has a right to make a statement and to give constructive feedback; all my statement is directed towards is regarding the magnitude at which negative threads are being posted. I also clearly put in bold that the staff said people can say what they want on whatever thread they want, and I have fully accepted that, but that doesn't mean I won't find it a little tiresome when a new thread regarding small issues pop up again and again. But once again, AND LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR, this is just how I feel.

As for the defender title, I was trying to say it's not just you. Multiple people on these forums refer to those who enjoy NH and see its redeeming qualities as such, and that's not right. No one should be calling anyone anything first and foremost. I'm sure you get some people who will defend this game to no end shutting down the voices, and of course that's ridiculous and is should not be tolerated. But on the other end of the stick, people who are voicing their complaints seem to have this Holier-Than-Thou attitude; almost like they're this "woke" group who sees things that we who enjoy the game don't, and I don't think that's fair either.

While this is now slightly unrelated, I think Nintendo stopped allowing wishes with handheld items since it could become cumbersome while trying to fish or catch bugs and then boop, star interrupts the action (if it's a meter storm with a lot of them)? Then again, I'm not game developer so don't take my word for any of this.

ANYWAYYYYYYYYY, that's my two cents, or bells if we're sticking to the theme here. I know that this thread isn't for people like myself who don't have many problems with the game, but regardless, I just thought I would share how someone on the other side of things might see it--without going all "THIS GAME IS AMAZING, STOP TRASHING IT AHSHSHASJF."

 

[tajikey]

I also clearly put in bold that the staff said people can say what they want on whatever thread they want

Now now, Matt0106, the 6 warnings (4 points) I've received within the last year would imply that we can't say whatever we want...

 

[Emfirenze]

I've only been playing for a month and I'm already getting a lot of repeat DIYs from my villagers. I got 2 recipes today and they are both repeats!

I've also been having rotten luck with the Mystery Islands. I ended up going to the same nothing special island 3 times in a row (exact same layout).

 

[Raz]

I can't stand the fact that threads that could be just regular posts in this rant thread keep popping up, polluting the forum with countless rehashes of the same complaints over and over and over...

I don't understand why this isn't considered an official rant thread by the mods. We had a very similar problem in the first couple months after the game came out, with a huge amount of threads about finding Raymond and the mods back then understood that there was no point to those threads, and they created an official Campsite Method/Find Villager thread or whatever in order to funnel all those threads (that could have been just regular posts) into one single thread. Why are they so hesitant in doing the same with the countless rant threads, as they follow the same pattern as the Raymond ones?

It just makes the forum a lot more toxic and unbearable, with tons of awkward interactions between users, as mentioned above by @meggiewes. It honestly seems like people have nothing better to do with their time, and they just keep confronting people just for the sake of it, or they're just obsessed with proving a point.

 

[OtakuTrash]

I wish you could summon villagers with a phone call, or something. It always annoys me. I don't want to spend an hour finding a villager just to say hello! That reminds me, I wish you could do more things with villagers, like shopping, picnics, and movies. It would add SO much more things and ideas to the game. Also, better campsite chatting. They repeat so many things, I can't. It takes FOREVER.

 

[Feraligator]

Honestly I always keep my rants here or contribute to the ones that people make if I agree, but I also agree that maybe rants should be kept here because the forums are noticeably very explosive right now. It seems nothing good comes out of making a thread of something negative atm, but keeping them in here to keep the criticism in one neat place would probably make the general atmosphere less negative.

 

[Raz]

Honestly I always keep my rants here or contribute to the ones that people make if I agree, but I also agree that maybe rants should be kept here because the forums are noticeably very explosive right now. It seems nothing good comes out of making a thread of something negative atm, but keeping them in here to keep the criticism in one neat place would probably make the general atmosphere less negative.

Yep, that's the gist of my post.

And before someone says I'm trying to "censor" them: it's crystal clear I'm not interested in doing that. I don't have any problems with people voicing their opinions. What I do have a problem with is people turning the forum into a battlefield because they can't keep their rants on the rant thread, maybe because they really want a thread of their own, or they think their rant/opinion should be more valuable and visible then the opinions of other posters. We had this dance before, many times, and we've seen how productive these individual threads are...

 

[Jaco]

And before someone says I'm trying to "censor" them: it's crystal clear I'm not interested in doing that. I don't have any problems with people voicing their opinions. What I do have a problem with is people turning the forum into a battlefield because they can't keep their rants on the rant thread, maybe because they really want a thread of their own, or they think their rant/opinion should be more valuable and visible then the opinions of other posters. We had this dance before, many times, and we've seen how productive these individual threads are...

I agree with this.

And I think people need to remember that dialogue is a two way street, which means people have a right to disagree with others' opinions. It's sort of tiring to see so many examples where someone states their opinion, someone else disagrees with that opinion, and then one or the other says they're being gaslighted or censored. I don't think that's true at all.

 

[Jam86]

actually WHY is hippeux a thing???
i just found him 4 times in a row island hopping and on the 5th island there was a diy bottle from him and on my own island, another diy bottle from him
everyone talks about how barold is the worst villager as if hippeux doesn't exist

i try not to be negative about villagers but hippeux is just the worst thing ever created and i can't believe nintendo would actually make a villager so terrible

i feel so much better after complaining about that lol

 

[SlEEPYTEARRS]

i do wish this thread would be official because negativity gets to people more than positivity, and i think its what is making people more hostile toward people wanting to be critical of the game

also even though the mods have said you can make whatever thread you want it is tiring seeing the same subjects brought up again and again (if youre taking this as dont post negative threads, no, its not. its just for threads in general it can be grating to see the same exact subjects over and over again, whether positive or negative.)

 

[-Blue-]

I don't have a problem with people who are disappointed in the game or love it. Lately I have posted more in the rant thread or about things that I believe are flaws because the core of the gameplay (terraforming) doesn't interest me. I enjoyed it in the beginning, but there hasn't been a lot of stuff day 1 and update wise that motivated me enough to really go back to doing it seriously.

The members who do trash on the game constantly without stating any remediable qualities of NH aren't any better then the hardcore defenders. Especially when one of those two get so heated that they have to drag someone in the mud to get their point across.

Every game has had flaws. In the previous titles you never knew when someone was leaving and couldn't control where they put a home. The WA update was a godsend with the qr paths blocking where they could plot and made it more bearable. Rocks were permanent and goodbye bushes if you dug them up.

NH is not without flaws. I think that's where people start to butt heads because someone will tear the entire game a new rear-end and act as if it doesn't have anything going for it and someone else will meet that opposition on the extreme end.



I will say that I hate the drip-feed and the lack of transparency. We don't know anything about the updates and they keep pretty tight-lipped about it. I play the game for maybe 15 minutes when I do boot it up and it's not everyday. That happened with every other title over time. Except I had the full game to experience when everything was fresh in my mind. When I do get around to whatever updates they give us back/new, the game won't be new to me. I will have played it for x amount of days/months/years.

By that point the newness will have worn off. The experience won't be the same. The spark will have worn off. It's sort of like buying an ice-cream cake, but only being able to eat a small piece and having to wait to eat the rest later. The cake has an expiration date. It won't taste as fresh and eventually it will be dry and stale. The experience of eating it won't be the same when it was freshly made.

 

[nightglow]

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[SlEEPYTEARRS]

I will say that I hate the drip-feed and the lack of transparency. We don't know anything about the updates and they keep pretty tight-lipped about it. I play the game for maybe 15 minutes when I do boot it up and it's not everyday. That happened with every other title over time. Except I had the full game to experience when everything was fresh in my mind. When I do get around to whatever updates they give us back/new, the game won't be new to me. I will have played it for x amount of days/months/years.

By that point the newness will have worn off. The experience won't be the same. The spark will have worn off. It's sort of like buying an ice-cream cake, but only being able to eat a small piece and having to wait to eat the rest later. The cake has an expiration date. It won't taste as fresh and eventually it will be dry and stale. The experience of eating it won't be the same when it was freshly made.

i agree with this wholeheartedly. it takes me a while to get excited about an update (and with how badly things went on here i dont think ill be weighing in on next updates until its out, i was just hoping to be able to put my first impressions out there because this was my first update while being on site but then people were going "ha look at the people who hated the (honestly bad) trailer, they love it now" as if your opinion cant change so yeah) and even after i get excited about a day or two later my brain goes "okay....now onto the next update" and im afraid that even though i love the festivale items, i still am not as excited as with last updates and ive noticed that my excitement gets lower and lower with each update

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also just want to add that im someone who gets excited by just about anything, i got super excited earlier just listening to the same song i listen to 100 times every day, but it was on the radio this time

 

[John Wick]

Folks who want to rant should be allowed to without them constantly being told what they should and shouldn't rant about.

I feel others are trying to censor the rants at times, and that shouldn't happen in a rant thread.

Go to the many positive threads if you can't bare to have the game criticised.

If we didn't give a crap about the game, we wouldn't bother criticising it.

 

[Jaco]

I will say that I hate the drip-feed and the lack of transparency. We don't know anything about the updates and they keep pretty tight-lipped about it. I play the game for maybe 15 minutes when I do boot it up and it's not everyday. That happened with every other title over time. Except I had the full game to experience when everything was fresh in my mind. When I do get around to whatever updates they give us back/new, the game won't be new to me. I will have played it for x amount of days/months/years.

I actually don't mind Nintendo's pattern on this. They formally announce an update and then it hits the servers 2 days later. That's pretty cool and doesn't set people up for disappointment.

I feel like if the game announced upcoming features months in advance, people would complain even more. Where's Brewster, where's this that was promised, where's that, why did this get cut? I understand that priorities and deadlines change, especially in a pandemic and not announcing everything up front gives them some flexibility regarding what gets released.

 

[SpiritofAce]

People have the right to express their opinions fully on a forum. That is the whole point of a forum.

I think the game is brilliant, it’s one of my favourite games - but at the same time there is no doubt that it’s full of problems, and especially I think the poor recent update offerings have left a sour taste in many mouths (including mine), who thought that the first update adding Leif and Redd would set a precedent for things to come. Since then the offerings have been very measly, and then you get the usual “Oh don’t worry! I’m sure the next update will add what you were wanting.” - Repeat cycle.

It seems there are a minority on the forum who want this place to just be an echo chamber. I mean, telling people not to post negative threads, really? They have just as much right as you do to post a thread heaping praise on the game. It’s a forum, for open discussion. Grow up people.