The Amazon is burning

[tumut]

The amazon has been burning for 3 weeks ish ish with the media finally catching attention. A football/soccerfield burns every minute. Recently its been discovered that the fires were likely intentional created by farming companies. Bolsonaro recently rolled back regulations on Amazon land and has been dismissive on the issue. He claimed the country didnt have the resources to fight them last week until french president Macron threatened to opt out of a trade deal with South America, where he decided to send 44k troops to fight them after two weeks. The Forest cannot be recovered.

I think its disgusting. And honestly someone should write a we didnt start the fire for millenials with all the crazy **** going on in our lifetimes.

 

[Bowie]

It’s one of those situations in which everyone talks about it and prompts others to do something about it even though the people “raising awareness” of it are, in fact, doing absolutely nothing and merely thinking tweeting about it is enough to consider themselves superior to those who have just heard about it.

“1 like = 1 prayer” doesn’t work.

 

[Dim]

20% of our planet's oxygen...

 

[Tessie]

People on social media have the weirdest hypocritical audacity to post about the Amazon rainforest fire to make themselves feel progressive and aware while they sit back and eat their animal based products, willfully ignorant to the fact that the mass deforestation fire was deliberately done to make more land to raise cattle so they all can have meat on their plate.

 

[G0DFlesh_88]

Yea its sad if a corporation was behind this. I feel like this could have also happened naturally, but who knows. Not going to put on the tin foil on this one, but we should have done something about this earlier.

 

[Paperboy012305]

We humans are destroying what possibly could be the ONLY planet we could possibly live in. (Besides Heaven, and Mars?)

Makes us sick.

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I know Heaven isn't a planet, don't correct me.

 

[tumut]

People on social media have the weirdest hypocritical audacity to post about the Amazon rainforest fire to make themselves feel progressive and aware while they sit back and eat their animal based products, willfully ignorant to the fact that the mass deforestation fire was deliberately done to make more land to raise cattle so they all can have meat on their plate.

You really shouldn't be blaming consumers for the mass atrocities on our environment by corporations. Most people cant afford to go vegetarian or vegan and shouldnt have to. Its time we start holding the agricultural, manufacturing, and fossil fuel industries for climate change and environmental damage.

Im tired of this notion that the planet is being destroyed because people wont go vegan or start a compost pile or whatever when corporations cause MUCH more damage and can actually be regulated.

Anyway does anyone else feel like theyre living in a dystopian YA novel or is it just me?

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If anyone wants to actually help you can switch to ecosia which is a browser that donates all of its profits to planting trees, and doesnt sell your information.

 

[Alienfish]

People on social media have the weirdest hypocritical audacity to post about the Amazon rainforest fire to make themselves feel progressive and aware while they sit back and eat their animal based products, willfully ignorant to the fact that the mass deforestation fire was deliberately done to make more land to raise cattle so they all can have meat on their plate.

Yeah, this "clicktivism" makes me sad. So does people glorifying their mental diseases for doing things, lol(not this specifically but activism in general).

But yeah this whole burning is really sad regardless who did it or just being behind it.

 

[Blood Eclipse]

Calling attention to it through social media might (keyword: might) actually prompt others in those areas to protest against the situation. It's not entirely "trying to prove you're better than others" as much as trying to spread the word.

Going vegan is another way to combat this situation, though I agree, realistically, veganism isn't in everyone's budget. (Hopefully meat cloning will happen a lot sooner than predicted and be an affordable option for those who want to still eat meat or can't afford a diet free from it, and still help in someway).

Companies only see the world as a dollar sign and they'd exhausted its resources if it meant making more cash. That's why some of them have jumped the "going green" bandwagon, despite not actually doing a thing to better the environment.

Spoiler: Trigger Warning

Though it may be a controversial subject, I also think there should be more sex education, condom distributions and abortion plans for those who aren't ready to be parents (i.e. they can't afford to have them, they were raped, they're too young to bear the burden, health complications, ect.)

I can only wish more deforestation doesn't happen, I can recycle and try to go as vegan as possible, I can consume less electricity to help the environment, I can stop buying goods from almost all companies and buy local, I can even protest or spread the word to as many people as I know in my daily life, but my hopes are dead. I have none. Doesn't mean I don't try, it just means I don't believe in a future where this isn't going to continue happening. Where the world and people aren't reduced down to a dollar sign.

 

[tumut]

Calling attention to it through social media might (keyword: might) actually prompt others in those areas to protest against the situation. It's not entirely "trying to prove you're better than others" as much as trying to spread the word.

Going vegan is another way to combat this situation, though I agree, realistically, veganism isn't in everyone's budget. (Hopefully meat cloning will happen a lot sooner than predicted and be an affordable option for those who want to still eat meat or can't afford a diet free from it, and still help in someway).

Companies only see the world as a dollar sign and they'd exhausted its resources if it meant making more cash. That's why some of them have jumped the "going green" bandwagon, despite not actually doing a thing to better the environment.

Spoiler: Trigger Warning

Though it may be a controversial subject, I also think there should be more sex education, condom distributions and abortion plans for those who aren't ready to be parents (i.e. they can't afford to have them, they were raped, they're too young to bear the burden, health complications, ect.)

I can only wish more deforestation doesn't happen, I can recycle and try to go as vegan as possible, I can consume less electricity to help the environment, I can stop buying goods from almost all companies and buy local, I can even protest or spread the word to as many people as I know in my daily life, but my hopes are dead. I have none. Doesn't mean I don't try, it just means I don't believe in a future where this isn't going to continue happening. Where the workd and people aren't reduced down to a dollar sign.

I agree with your post but that sex education bit is like...so random lmao

 

[Blood Eclipse]

I agree with your post but that sex education bit is like...so random lmao

higher population = higher demand and waste deposit

1 like = one tree rematerialising

 

[Tessie]

You really shouldn't be blaming consumers for the mass atrocities on our environment by corporations. Most people cant afford to go vegetarian or vegan and shouldnt have to. Its time we start holding the agricultural, manufacturing, and fossil fuel industries for climate change and environmental damage.

Im tired of this notion that the planet is being destroyed because people wont go vegan or start a compost pile or whatever when corporations cause MUCH more damage and can actually be regulated.

Anyway does anyone else feel like theyre living in a dystopian YA novel or is it just me?

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If anyone wants to actually help you can switch to ecosia which is a browser that donates all of its profits to planting trees, and doesnt sell your information.

I'm vegan and live on $40 a week on groceries. I don't know what your idea of vegan food is but it's not these high-tech mock meats. I live off rice/grains chickpeas/lentils and fresh veggies. It's false to say it's too expensive for people to get into.
Animal husbandry/agriculture is the number one cause for deforestation (which causes species extinction) and it is 91% of the cause of deforestation in the Amazon (source: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/15060). It's absolutely unsustainable and hypocritical to care for the environment but eat mass meat. Absolutely absurd. Environmentalist in Brazil/Peru are killed by these corporations for trying to make awareness of the mass deforestaton for meat production. Realize your lifestyle is a contribution.

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I'm not saying I'm the most perfect human being, but limiting meat consumption is a start to improving the environment. But this'll never happen globally, people are too fixed on taste, tradition, and habit.

 

[tumut]

I'm vegan and live on $40 a week on groceries. I don't know what your idea of vegan food is but it's not these high-tech mock meats. I live off rice/grains chickpeas/lentils and fresh veggies. It's false to say it's too expensive for people to get into.
Animal husbandry/agriculture is the number one cause for deforestation (which causes species extinction) and it is 91% of the cause of deforestation in the Amazon (source: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/15060). It's absolutely unsustainable and hypocritical to care for the environment but eat mass meat. Absolutely absurd. Environmentalist in Brazil/Peru are killed by these corporations for trying to make awareness of the mass deforestaton for meat production. Realize your lifestyle is a contribution.

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I'm not saying I'm the most perfect human being, but limiting meat consumption is a start to improving the environment. But this'll never happen globally, people are too fixed on taste, tradition, and habit.

No offense but your diet doesnt sound like something i could eat everyday, even with spices and different dishes.

My family makes a lot of pork, intestines, sausage, rice, beans, chicken and fish. The food is a part of my culture and i think its absurd to ask people to give that up.

Also cage free meat and eggs exist. But of course are more expensive. But like I said before, veganism focuses on the right problem but is the wrong solution. Regulating corporations is much more reasonable and feasible.

But anyway I eat meat so i dont really care about the environment haha XD

 

[dedenne]

It's absolutely unsustainable and hypocritical to care for the environment but eat mass meat. Absolutely absurd.

wow. ngl thats a bit harsh.
imo telling people they have to drastically change their diet to care about the environment is absolutely absurd.

 

[Tessie]

No offense but your diet doesnt sound like something i could eat everyday, even with spices and different dishes.

My family makes a lot of pork, intestines, sausage, rice, beans, chicken and fish. The food is a part of my culture and i think its absurd to ask people to give that up.

Also cage free meat and eggs exist. But of course are more expensive. But like I said before, veganism focuses on the right problem but is the wrong solution. Regulating corporations is much more reasonable and feasible.

But anyway I eat meat so i dont really care about the environment haha XD

Meat is part of nearly everyone's culture...lol. You think I also didn't grow up with meat as the main portion of the plate? It's why things like the impossible burger and other food advancements are working hard to replicate a plant-based food substance that is so closely related to meat by using the heme molecule. Because people just cannot let go of taste/tradition/habit.
Cage free meat and eggs aren't sustainable. There isnt enough land to make everything cage free...that is WHY deforestation is happening.
Tell me because I'm quite curious; in what way do we regulate corporations and what do you believe is the right solution?

wow. ngl thats a bit harsh.
imo telling people they have to drastically change their diet to care about the environment is absolutely absurd.

Truth is harsh. If you are an environmentalist and advocate for a better planet I think its quite hypocritical (and absurd) to live a lifestyle that's harming what you preach for. I feel so sorry for what is happening to the Amazon and all the indigenous creatures we share this planet this. For people to truly not care about the only thing that sustains life just shows mankind indeed is more of a vermin that has infested this planet than anything.
(Also a plant-based lifestyle isn't drastic lol).

 

[Shellzilla_515]

Of course, it's always gotta be those big corporation companies that always take toll on natural environments. One of the issues here is the policy and enforcement of these kinds of actions. There should be a consequence of what you did to damage the environment. What's the point of making a policy if you're not gonna have strict enforcement on violators? Even if a country decides to do something about a large company's action, they would unfortunately, take it to court or perhaps take drastic measures. So yeah, it's all about corporation greed that led to this and it makes me really angry on how we can try and do something about it, only having them stopping us on a planet where we could forever lose the resources we once had. Oh, did I mention that large companies can actually sue other farmers if their seeds accidentally fly to other fields? It's ridiculous and, argh, their boundaries knows no end to this.

 

[tumut]

Meat is part of nearly everyone's culture...lol. You think I also didn't grow up with meat as the main portion of the plate? It's why things like the impossible burger and other food advancements are working hard to replicate a plant-based food substance that is so closely related to meat by using the heme molecule. Because people just cannot let go of taste/tradition/habit.
Cage free meat and eggs aren't sustainable. There isnt enough land to make everything cage free...that is WHY deforestation is happening.
Tell me because I'm quite curious; in what way do we regulate corporations and what do you believe is the right solution?




Truth is harsh. If you are an environmentalist and advocate for a better planet I think its quite hypocritical (and absurd) to live a lifestyle that's harming what you preach for. I feel so sorry for what is happening to the Amazon and all the indigenous creatures we share this planet this. For people to truly not care about the only thing that sustains life just shows mankind indeed is more of a vermin that has infested this planet than anything.
(Also a plant-based lifestyle isn't drastic lol).

Ban plastic bags
Sanction rainforest exploiting companies
Ban plastic straws
The Green New Deal.
Stop subsidizing fossil fuel companies.
Cut back the largest consumer of fossil fuel, the U.S. military
Regulate the diets of livestock so they produce less methane
Put regulations in place to prevent fertilizer runoff that causes algal bloom and other damage
Ban exotic pets that can become invasive species
Invest in environmental research instead of spending over 50% of all taxpayer dollars on a ridiculously large military
Ban Palm Oil or tax it heavily (main crop grown from deforestation in Indonesia and Malaysia)

Just to name a few. This whole veganism is the answer thing is ridiculous.

 

[-Apples-]

20% of our planet's oxygen...

I don’t know how much we’ll be getting soon. The rainforest produces 20% of the Earth’s oxygen, and the plankton in the oceans produce 50% of the Earth’s oxygen. Without either source, the Earth will become too inhospitable for human life.

Just reading this thread makes me want to go plant trees everywhere. I don’t care if the Earth is overpopulated with trees. We need more if we want to have a good oxygen supply.

 

[MelloDimensions]

I'm vegan and live on $40 a week on groceries. I don't know what your idea of vegan food is but it's not these high-tech mock meats. I live off rice/grains chickpeas/lentils and fresh veggies. It's false to say it's too expensive for people to get into.
Animal husbandry/agriculture is the number one cause for deforestation (which causes species extinction) and it is 91% of the cause of deforestation in the Amazon (source: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/15060). It's absolutely unsustainable and hypocritical to care for the environment but eat mass meat. Absolutely absurd. Environmentalist in Brazil/Peru are killed by these corporations for trying to make awareness of the mass deforestaton for meat production. Realize your lifestyle is a contribution.

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I'm not saying I'm the most perfect human being, but limiting meat consumption is a start to improving the environment. But this'll never happen globally, people are too fixed on taste, tradition, and habit.

That pretentiousness goes really well with a big juicy hamburger.

 

[Kurb]

Oops. Nice job farmers, you've killed us all.