The Amazon is burning

[N e s s]

Just reading this thread makes me want to go plant trees everywhere. I don’t care if the Earth is overpopulated with trees. We need more if we want to have a good oxygen supply.

It's good to know you've finally come around on climate change

 

[Tao]

I'm vegan and live on $40 a week on groceries. I don't know what your idea of vegan food is but it's not these high-tech mock meats. I live off rice/grains chickpeas/lentils and fresh veggies. It's false to say it's too expensive for people to get into.
Animal husbandry/agriculture is the number one cause for deforestation (which causes species extinction) and it is 91% of the cause of deforestation in the Amazon (source: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/15060). It's absolutely unsustainable and hypocritical to care for the environment but eat mass meat. Absolutely absurd. Environmentalist in Brazil/Peru are killed by these corporations for trying to make awareness of the mass deforestaton for meat production. Realize your lifestyle is a contribution.

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I'm not saying I'm the most perfect human being, but limiting meat consumption is a start to improving the environment. But this'll never happen globally, people are too fixed on taste, tradition, and habit.

Expensive? No, but what you described sounds like a pretty bland and boring diet, variety being the key to most people sticking to a diet. Prisoners get more variety in their diet than that.

It's also a very conditional diet. Vegetables can go anywhere from dirt cheap and high quality to massively overpriced with half of it needing to go in the bin. It depends where you live and where/who you're getting it from, it's not a universal truth. Same goes for specifically vegan foods which can be expensive and hard to get your hands on depending on where you live due to the variable size of that market across the globe meaning in some places it's not feasible to even stock vegan foods, or they'll get it in and charge more for it considering only 3 people come in to buy it and it's taking up shelf space.

Also, $40 a week? I don't personally think that's expensive, for me that's nothing, but I also don't count for everybody and a vast amount of people live on minimum wage or have high cost households due to number of people in the house or lack of, any personal requirements they may need, the area they're living in, alongside having their various bills and expenses. That would be a hell of a lot for my mum for example, who still has 2 disabled kids living at home, herself and her 'not fit for work' partner to feed. You go and tell her that YOUR shopping """only""" costs $40 a week when she gets excited that 50 chicken nuggets cost ?1, I sense she won't be seeing the error of her ways.

$40, what's that, ?30ish? Coming from a poor household, I know I could easily go out and fill the freezer with a large variety of different frozen foods for AT MOST ?20 a month, probably having 'spares' at the end of the month, all which will still be edible long after I've died, much like those frozen meatballs that have been in my freezer since I moved in. Let's be fair and call it ?30 a month, roughly the equivalent of $40, I dunno, maybe I get extra hungry once a week and have guests. You still can't compare ?30 a month to $160 a month, a huge amount of money for a lot of people which you're shrugging off as nothing.
Yes, one of them is better for you, but when cost is an issue, it suddenly doesn't matter to a lot of people when given the choice between eating and not eating.

Damn, for ?5 I could fill my fridge with quality vegetables from a local market, so that alone shows the global variation in the recommendations you gave considering vegetables are the most expensive part of your list.

And lets not pretend my examples of peoples income and situation are the minority. There's a lot of lower income households for a variety of reasons whether it be large families, single paychecks in a higher priced area, disabled family members or student households living on beans and toast until their next student loan comes through. I imagine there's at least one person on this very website reading your drivel about how it's not that hard or expensive to do so as you essentially call them the problem to all the globes issues, veganism being the saviour of all lifes problems.

Rather than looking down on people from a pedestal with your 5th bowl of rice and chickpeas this week, take into consideration that "oh, maybe I'm just in a better position to be doing these things than other people".



Oh, and that one person who might be reading? It's not me, remember,

$40 a week? I don't personally think that's expensive, for me that's nothing

Gave my partner some money for the butcher this morning. I'll be having steak tonight...And I'll eat it knowing full well that locally bred British beef didn't kill the rain forest.

 

[Antonio]

It's sad that the amazon is burning. I wish brazil was doing more about it. :/

 

[G0DFlesh_88]

I doubt anything could be done to save the environment at this point. Everything we use in our everyday life causes some damage to the earth. Airplanes, plastic/oil manufacturing, Power Plants, the paper we use... etc

We would have to regress to cavemen style of living, and even then natural fires/volcanoes will cause damage.

 

[tumut]

I doubt anything could be done to save the environment at this point. Everything we use in our everyday life causes some damage to the earth. Airplanes, plastic/oil manufacturing, Power Plants, the paper we use... etc

We would have to regress to cavemen style of living, and even then natural fires/volcanoes will cause damage.

Its not everyday people who cause the most damage, its the industrial and agricultural sectors.

 

[N e s s]

I doubt anything could be done to save the environment at this point. Everything we use in our everyday life causes some damage to the earth. Airplanes, plastic/oil manufacturing, Power Plants, the paper we use... etc

We would have to regress to cavemen style of living, and even then natural fires/volcanoes will cause damage.

That’s not how it works. It is industrial companies that are the problem. What you can do is vote for someone (cough Warren Sanders) who want to put stricter regulations on these companies.

The amazon rainforest can be regrown, it’s iust going to take a long time. It sucks yeah but we can’t really do much about it other then wait and prevent big business from trying to claim that land.