The official Animal Crossing: New Horizons guide revealed the relationship between Flick and C.J.

Is there anything in the text absolutely defining the characters as two males? I don't think it's a stretch to read Flick as female. Is Flick ever referred to in-game as he/him?

Flick calls himself a guy, and the villagers use "Him/He "
pronouns for him. Flick is a guy.

I have a picture of it, not with me though, he says something like "Hey, remember me? The guy who loves bugs?"
Villagers say something like "Flick is in town, he sure does love his bugs"
 
I suppose but in previous AC games there were relationships so idk why if in this one they actually were in a relationship it would be any different.

It isn't any different. I didn't realize we were talking about a "what's wrong if there is a gay relationship representation". I thought we were talking about relationships in general in AC. There is no way you would know unless you read carefully or were a long time fan of the series (or watched youtube videos on it) about the love triangle sort of progression between Pete, Pelly, and Phillis. The only really cannon romance was between our favorite AC couple, Reese and Cyrus since they are married. Edit: Oh! And Lottie having a huge crush on Digby (which I never really noticed because I never interacted with her that much in HHD past doing my job)

But romantic relationships of any kind really aren't the main focal point of the AC series. The main character (you) doesn't have a goal to date or have a romantic relationship with any of the NPCs or villagers. As far as relationships go, the main focal point of the AC series is the platonic friendships between you of the villagers.

To be perfectly honest, I never realized there was a segment of the community who made fan cannons or headcannons of romantic relationships in AC. It just never occurred for me to do it myself so it didn't cross my mind. Do I care if people do it? No. Just don't try to make it cannon that (for a ridiculous off the top of my head example) Mitzi and KK Slider are dating, but KK Slider is sneaking around with Marshal.

Honestly, living and growing up in a world where the #1 priority is made out to be who you are dating for most of your formative years, playing a game that doesn't have a main focus on any sort of romantic relationship is nice. I hope that made more sense.
 
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I haven't read this entire thread, so this may have already been said but I think that the nature of Animal Crossing is extremely open to interpretation.

Every village is different and every villager is different. Think about it. You and a friend could both have Raymond. Your Raymond may be a trendsetting, main-outfit-wearing diva, and your friends Raymond may be business cat getting on to everyone about doing their taxes. This is more about personal perception and personal headcannon, as well as small differences between villagers (aka hobbies) within the same personality.

I was part of a conversation with two of my villagers, one cranky (Butch) and one uchi (Cherry) and both dogs. They were bickering and joking around like a married couple and I thought they were cute together, but it occurred to me that not everyone was going to have the same experience. You may have the same conversation, but it could be with two different villagers. Your Cherry isn't the same as my Cherry.

It's the same to some extent with other characters, even when their personality is technically set. Sometimes I feel like Sable may offer my character a cup of tea and invite me to just stick around and chat with her and Mable. Some people think Tom Nook is much more of a shady character than the game makes him out to be, while someone else may feel like Tom Nook sort of a run down guy who had a midlife crisis and decided to start life anew on a deserted island.

Maybe your C.J. and Flick are more than just business partners. One could easily say that blurb of information doesn't tell that much about them personally. Maybe they're business partners and life partners? The game is what you make it.
 
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Maybe it's just me but I think that putting out an article just to do this was sort of a slap in the face and unnecessary . People can do what they want, I think it's harmless. Just let people enjoy things


There is Reese and Cyrus
The Pelican triangle
Kappn and his wife
I think the lgbt community wanting this one thing is okay..
 
That article: Flick and C.J. are not romantically involved

Me:
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What about Earthbound and Tony? He was at least confirmed.

I don’t think that it’s important to Nintendo to show a lot of Male/Male or Female/Female Relationships in their video games. The games are still designed for children. I don’t think they want some kind of backlash from Anti-LGBT-People, which wouldn’t even play a game, if they found out that one of their characters is Gay. I know it’s 2020, but there are still such people out there. So they always try to play it safe.
 
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let's be real, it would be different because it would be a gay couple... no one ever had a problem with cyrus and reese, or the pigeon love triangle in Wild World
If you're talking about Pelly, Pete, and Phyllis they're actually pelicans (I wonder what they're up to nowadays). The only pigeon in Wild World was Brewster and it wasn't until Pocket Camp that they added the trio who work at OK Motors (Beppe, Giovanni, and Carlo); there are no female pigeons in the AC series yet.
 
What about Earthbound and Tony? He was at least confirmed.

I don’t thing that it’s important to Nintendo to show a lot of Male/Male or Female/Female Relationships in their video games. The games are still designed for children. I don’t think they want some kind of backlash from Anti-LGBT-People, which wouldn’t even play a game, if they found out that one of their characters is Gay. I know it’s 2020, but there are still such people out there. So they always try to play it safe.

I don’t think there’s been any games that Nintendo themselves developed that had any confirmed gay characters. But, what they have done is have a confirmed trans character in Mario: Birdo. While Birdo has had some mix reception in some parts of the world, she’s a reoccurring side character in the Mario franchise despite that. I don’t know why they wouldn’t have gay characters in their family-friendly games when they’ve done some representation in their most cherish franchise. It might not be now, but maybe someday they’ll do it.
 
If you're talking about Pelly, Pete, and Phyllis they're actually pelicans (I wonder what they're up to nowadays). The only pigeon in Wild World was Brewster and it wasn't until Pocket Camp that they added the trio who work at OK Motors (Beppe, Giovanni, and Carlo); there are no female pigeons in the AC series yet.

you're right lol, it's been forever since I played Wild World
 
I definitely think Nintendo America chose that ambiguous language on purpose. With
how lengthy CJs dialogue already is, there’s no reason to not add “business” in front of the “partner” in order to make it clear. But they didn’t.

That said, I’m glad. Our boy Flick can do so much better imo
 
I don't really ship CJ and Flik, but at the same time I can't sit around and wait for Nintendo to explicitly canonize gay characters and relationships. Given their track record for timely responses to social realities. I'd be waiting a long time. I mean, look at how long it took them to add the option to play Black characters, ffs (and please miss me with any justifications that neglecting options for brown skinned characters was because of Japanese "cultural homogeneity/insularity").

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, they're a couple.
 
whenever I read the word "partner" I say it in a western accent lol.

But also it seems weird when people are like "There shouldn't be relationships in animal crossing" when there's literally been quite a few:

1: Lottie has a crush on Digby
2: Isabelle has a crush on K.K. Slider
3: Tom Nook and Sable used to have a relationship (I'm pretty sure this is a thing and I didn't make it up? lol)
4: Kapp'n has a wife
5: Reese and Cyrus
6: Pelly likes Pete, Pete likes Phyllis
7: Harvey likes Harriet.
Also the villagers would always have rumors going around about others dating each other.
 
I couldn't care less whether they're romantically involved or not.
What bugs me is people "gay-washing" or sexualizing any close relationship between two characters they come across. Be it homo or hetero. I see it happen in fiction all the time and I don't really mind, as long as people treat it as personal head-canon. But in this particular case, people act as if it were canon, based on a very vague term and are really obnoxious about it. Like, not every relationship that goes beyond mere aquaintances has to be romantic an not everyone cares about that stuff...
 
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I haven't read the thread but I think a lot of people are quick to dismiss this because of the word "Partner" which is actually pretty interesting given the history of gay/lesbian couples in the USA. (Which is the localization I will be speaking on.)

The guide book is NOT made by nintendo it is an outside source. If nintendo were the ones directly writing this it may have just read "Partner" as it does in the game. The fact it is technically an OUTSIDE source they may have read partner and translated that to "business partner".

In the USA people in non heterosexual relationships were not able to get married until very recently. Straight (mostly homophobic) people in the USA found it uncomfortable to refer to a gay mans boyfriend/husband as such and instead use the term "Partner". It's very common to speak with someone about a gay couple and to see them pause for a moment and say "Their....... partner" regardless if it is a friend, celebrity, or someone walking down the street. It is also a way for non hetero couples to talk about their s/o without DIRECTLY saying they are not straight and avoid any unnecessary altercations.

CJ and Flick being called "Partners" reflects this kind of language just like how Cyrus refereed to himself as Reese's partner. Now, we know they were married prior to this but why refer to himself as a partner rather than husband or business partner? No one thought he meant "Business partner" then.
Suddenly because a lot of people are against non-heterosexual or non gender conforming identities being displayed in media "for children" (AC is for all ages!) the term "Partner" in this sense has been forced into "Business partner". BUT. That makes no sense in the context of their relationship.

Reese and Cyrus OWNED a store together. They BOTH profited from this. CJ and flick are "Roommates" and CJ helps flick out with finding commissions. They DON'T own a store together, hold events together, etc. CJ just helps Flick out with commissions. Idk about any of you but I know I would NOT consider myself to be a business partner for a friend of mine who is accepting art commissions. Their "Business" is apparently buying fish and bugs....... for no gain aside from social media presence and a love of bugs/need to have them at all. Flick is the only one with an actual business side to it.

Also note "Roommates". A lot of closeted non-hetero couples will say their s/o is their "Roommate" to avoid being harassed by family or strangers.

There are also multiple things thrown around the game that imply the existence and ACCEPTANCE of LGBT people. I.e. dialogue where a character talks about a show with two princesses who are in love, the fact Chevre has a picture of Nan (Another female goat character) above her bed, male character dialogue where they are fine playing a princess in a play, and they have ALWAYS had dialogue about being able to express yourself no matter what gender you are especially in NL. (Makeup, dresses, etc.)

The language is vague for a reason. People who want to see themselves in this game CAN. They can see these two characters being together; they're "Partners" and "Roommates". It's NOT clear because nintendo likely does not want to lose consumers. They know if they put in two characters that are too obviously gay certain people would boycott the game. I've seen people say this has RUINED the game for them. But it's not a big deal!! at all! Nintendo is trying to be inclusive to everyone and there is nothing wrong with that.

The fact that this thread exists as if it were a "Ha I told you so!" is gross.


Thank you for coming to my ted talk :)
 
The guide book is NOT made by nintendo it is an outside source. If nintendo were the ones directly writing this it may have just read "Partner" as it does in the game. The fact it is technically an OUTSIDE source they may have read partner and translated that to "business partner".

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I appreciate you writing that all out but this isn’t just a random guidebook this is official licensed product by Nintendo, Yes they didn’t directly write but most likely saw this before it was released
 
I appreciate you writing that all out but this isn’t just a random guidebook this is official licensed product by Nintendo, Yes they didn’t directly write but most likely saw this before it was released

"Most likely" We DON'T know who was in charge of looking the book over, to what extent, and what liberties the crew making this book had while in production. It is likely nintendo gave them a list of items that HAD to be included and basic information on all of the characters and what not with key points to include when writing about them. I.e. Flick and CJ being "Partners" and "Roommates" as a cool fun fact to add in.

If anything the people reviewing the book did not look at every single word and see that business partner was now "Partner". The people reviewing the book may not have understood the distinction between partner and business partner in the game and did not think it was wrong. They likely looked at all of the OTHER information in the guide such as birthdays, fish, fossils, etc. for accuracy rather than a simple fun fact about two characters. It may have been licensed BY nintendo but the people in charge of the actual dialogue in the game did NOT write the book.

If you do not want to see them as a gay couple then that's you. But for there to be a forum and a group of people basically saying "HA there's no LGBT people in AC because you're not kid friendly!!!" in a sea of character relationships/crushes/drama (Isabelle and KK, nook and mable, the pelican trio, reese and cyrus) to put down a gay couple that is coded for gay people to see and know right away is gross and I will do all I can to point out that they are, in fact, not hetero :)
 
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