Jas0n said:
Spoiler'd due to it being a wall of off-topic text XD
<div class='spoiler_toggle'>Lolwalloftext</div><div class="spoiler" style="display:none;">You still haven't explained how or why Photoshop is buggy and bloated. I've used Photoshop on both a Mac and PC and the only buggyness/bloatyness I've noticed is on the Mac platform where the Mac dislikes the processor intensive stuff.
As for the sad UIs and Adobe being lazy, that doesn't make much sense, considering they're always adding a whole range of additions to the applications and overhauls to the UI.
Which security flaws in the applications are you speaking of? Again, with no proof of your claims there's not really much you can stand on.
I agree that Illustator is a very nice application, but due to it being vector it lacks a lot of stuff that Photoshop is capable of.
Never heard of nor experienced the GNU Image Manipulation Program so I can't really comment, but I'm sure it's fine for simple things. Free applications can only go so far though, when something is free the company typically only makes money off of advertising and such, which isn't enough to make an astounding application.
Yes, Adobe do bundle some pretty pointless stuff in their applications, though sometimes with good reasoning. I've not come across one thing that I'm forced to install though. I never use Acrobat so I can't comment on that, and again I've only noticed Flash to be horrible on the Mac, it's one of the worst things ever for Mac users. I also rarely use Dreamweaver so I can't comment on that.</div>
<div class='spoiler_toggle'>Le Reply</div><div class="spoiler" style="display:none;">Why its buggy and bloated? I thought it was obvious: they got lazy. The application should be down to 512 megabytes
at the most, but instead it floats between one and two gigabytes, which any application like this should not reach. Applications become bloated because some developers either keep building off a single basis without trimming out obsolete stuff, without condensing the coding where possible, and/or without rewriting things to fit modern standards, instead opting to keep building off obsolete technology, which requires compensation for newer operating systems.
Yes, they're always adding things to the applications, and yes they're always changing the user interface, both of those things
could be good things, but Adobe has been making them bad instead of good. They add to the applications, but, like mentioned above, they don't trim the fat when needed. They need to slim down their old stuff (and, yes, it can definitely be done), and the user interfaces are too radically different. The interface needs to flow well with the operating system, not flow freely so it looks like some alien windows floating on your computer, or in Windows' case, a window with a bunch of other windows crammed inside of it. It should also be something that's familiar between versions, and be easy to find everything.
As for Illustrator, it lacks some tools for modifying bitmap images, and that's about it. The tools are a lot different because they match vector images, instead. Photoshop is meant for what it's name suggests: Photos. Illustrator is more ideal for things like computer graphics, web design, advertising, simple modeling, among other things. Illustrator is limited as you suggest, it actually even carries over some Photoshop tools and effects, in the case you want to rasterize your image. Photoshop actually uses vectors for things like shape and text tools, which make it very nice for resizing objects.
I'm surprised you haven't heard of GIMP, it's pretty popular nowadays, becoming more prevalent as a rival for Photoshop in recent years. It's probably the one application that can match it, and even beat it in some areas. It can even support Photoshop's PSD format, and it's plugins. Saying that free software is more limited than paid applications isn't so true, especially when talking about open-source applications. Many free applications tend to provide better quality than paid applications do. Just look at Mozilla Firefox, Oracle StarOffice/OpenOffice (formerly owned by StarDivision, subsequently Sun), WebKit, Mozilla Thunderbird, Audacity, HandBrake, PHP, MySQL, Apache, Wordpress, Notepad++, jEdit, and BitTorrent. All are pretty well known, considered by many to be the best in their genre, and all are free and open-source.
For the security, you must not be very caught up on Adobe's bad history with fixing bugs, especially bad ones. Adobe recently fixed some bugs in Flash that'd cause it to crash frequently, as well as some security bugs. Sounds good, until you find out that it took them nearly one and a half years after discovering them to finally get around to fixing them. There were more serious issues with Adobe's PDF viewer, allowing a doorway for malicious code to be executed simply by opening a PDF file in the application. Many serious issues in both applications still exist, and have been becoming more widely exploited, with many more being discovered in recent months. The security firm McAfee recently named Adobe's products as likely to become the biggest security threat for 2010. It replaces the former long-time security threat-producer Microsoft for this position.
Flash is horrible on any system nowadays: with it's bugs and security loopholes, and its becoming quickly outdated with other things that should be replacing it becoming more prevelent. Asynchronous Javascript and XML (commonly AJAX, or "Web 2.0", a fake term that doesn't mean anything, just meant to dazzle people) is what should be replacing it, alongside nice abilities coming in with the HTML5 and CSS3 specifications, which are more open and require no proprietary plugins. Flash is great, yes, for playing neat little games, but all this can be done with simpler technologies that have long proven to be more stable. I'm sure we'll be seeing the Flash-based animations and games for a good while now, but more and more people are moving away from the limited format.
Yes, Flash is a
bit more crash-happy on Macs (being very crash-happy on both systems), and the software is more bloated on Macs. A main reason for both these issues is because recent editions of Adobe's products have not been built using native standards under both the Windows and Mac OS X operating systems. Adobe has said that, in their next generation software, they will be building their applications to rely more heavily on the respective systems' built-in resources to improve the quality of their software.
As for the processor issue: You were probably using an old PowerPC Mac, which haven't been made since around 2004 or 2005, but they're still a bit common. Modern Intel-based Macs don't have issues with processor-intensive tasks, unless something has been messed up in the software, or if the application is using more resources than needed. I've not had processor issues with any Adobe products under OS X, only problems with Flash and Illustrator using more RAM than necessary after long periods of being used.
Since you say I don't back myself up, here's some references.
Adobe's Bloatware
Flash Crashing Bugs
Download Manager security threats
Top Flash Security Threats
McAfee's 2010 Threat Predictions
Wikipedia Article on Vector Graphics
Amazing Gallery of Vector Images
More pretty vector images
GNU Image Manipulation Program
Happy birthday, Photoshop!</div>
I'd like to apologize to the creator of this thread now and say thank you for giving the room for a secondary conversation in it. I won't reply here with off-topicness again. =)
The picture really is nice, you did a good job with it, regardless of the application that was used. It's not the application, but the results that truly matter in the end.