What Should I Do?

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Okay, so yesterday my husband and I decided to foster a black cat named Mina on a whim. Well, not exactly a whim cause we've been talking about adopting another cat for months, and we'd already decided on the sex and color and everything, but we were completely unprepared. We only went to the SCPA to look, so we could back home and mull things over. Then we fell in love Mina. She's so cute and super friendly. She was exactly the kind of cat we were looking for because our other girl, Kenna, is a special needs cat with an anxiety disorder. So we can't have a cat that's too playful or aggressive or anything, and we didn't want another boy cause it's harder to acclimate two toms because of how territorial they are. So decided to foster Mina to see how things go. The problem: We had never introduced our cats to another animal before, except for our betta fish, Lector.
So my husband just like, "We'll leave her in the box, and let James (the tomcat) sniff her out. Then we'll let her out."
VERY BAD IDEA.
Now, we have all the cats separated, but James still managed to find his way into the room where Mina is twice today and both times it resulted in him hissing and spitting. Mina is terrified of him. And she's gotten so used to me that I can't leave the room without her trying to get out. And, now, James is stressed out again and we have to start acclimating all over again.
But the worst part is that we've been thinking of getting rid of James for months. Despite all his cuteness and cuddliness, he hasn't been a very good cat. He destroys furniture, makes people trip and fall just when they're walking around the house, he constantly knocks things over, and he has bullied his sister, Kenna, to the point where she is afraid to go near any of the cat toys or even in our study for long amounts of time. He's four years old and he's neutered, but he's still just that territorial. My husband says it because he and Kenna are litter mates, and he's being mean cause he sense he's related to her. But I'm starting to wonder if it's because he's just a one-animal kind of cat. Like, he always wants to be the center of everyone's attention. We tried playing with him more, so he'd be less stressed out and have less pent up energy, but it doesn't work. He goes after Kenna anytime she goes near something he has deemed as his territory. And we really, really don't want to send Mina back to the shelter because we really love her and if we send her back, there's a really good chance she'll never get adopted because so many people believe in the stigma against black cats. So she'd just be rotting in a cage forever.
But you are NEVER supposed to rehome animals, no matter what because it damages them psychologically. Cats and dogs who have been rehomed have known to be anxious and to act out more because they can't figure out what they did wrong to be rehomed in the first place. The more they get rehomed, statiscally, the worse their behavior will become until they end up right back in a shelter. And I don't want to rehome him to begin with. I just want him to get along with the new cat, so he can have someone to play with rather than to bully, someone who can stand up to him, and someone who will, hopefully, look for Kenna. But I mean, what if he doesn't -- then what am I supposed to do? Send Mina back to the shelter to be killed or send James off, so we can keep Mina?
Both of those options suck and are equally horrible, I know. I realize that, but I also can't letting him treat Kenna the way he has been. What should I do?
What would you guys do if you were me?
TiA.
 
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Is he still eligible for training? You could maybe get a professional trainer and calm down his behavior. It may be expensive, but in your situation, it seems like the right thing to do. Help them to get along, and you can live in peace. It's humane, it's harmless, and you won't have to choose between the two.

I hope things go well for you. I am very sensitive (yet allergic) when it comes to animals, so I really feel for your situation. Honestly I feel like this is the best option, and I wish you and your family lots of luck!
 
YOU SHOULD HAVE SPECIFIED THAT YOU FOSTERED A CAT, LIKE RIGHT WITH THE FIRST FEW WORDS

I THOUGHT THAT YOU FOSTERED A BLACK CHILD
 
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Well then...

I don't know if I'm helpful or not but I've taken animal behavior and animal health classes. I've also worked in a vet clinic. Anyway, I don't know what you're talking about when an animal can't be rehomed...One of my dogs was used in dog fighting and he was rehomed to us and he's happier here than there.

If it was me and I didn't want to hire a trainer or I didn't have time, I'd take Mina to a non-kill shelter if possible or possibly see if one of your friends can take them. There are organizations where I live that will take cats in for no charge. They won't put them down and they'll be taken care of. If you feel your love Mina more than James, then maybe send James to a non-kill person.

In the future, always remember to introduce puppies or kittens to other puppies/dogs or kittens/cats and also humans.

If you feel you want to keep all three, first start with James behavior. Cat behavior, I found, was kinda easy but people kinda don't know how to do it. In my class, we learned this technique where if they cat acts mean, ignore it. Play time is very important to cats and they hate when they miss out on attention. Another one that only works sometimes is when you put the cats together and if James calms down, he gets a treat. That method isn't that reliable, tbh. There are several cat trainers (hell, there was a TV show) that can help you but YOU have to put in the effort.
 
Well then...

I don't know if I'm helpful or not but I've taken animal behavior and animal health classes. I've also worked in a vet clinic. Anyway, I don't know what you're talking about when an animal can't be rehomed...One of my dogs was used in dog fighting and he was rehomed to us and he's happier here than there.

If it was me and I didn't want to hire a trainer or I didn't have time, I'd take Mina to a non-kill shelter if possible or possibly see if one of your friends can take them. There are organizations where I live that will take cats in for no charge. They won't put them down and they'll be taken care of. If you feel your love Mina more than James, then maybe send James to a non-kill person.

In the future, always remember to introduce puppies or kittens to other puppies/dogs or kittens/cats and also humans.

If you feel you want to keep all three, first start with James behavior. Cat behavior, I found, was kinda easy but people kinda don't know how to do it. In my class, we learned this technique where if they cat acts mean, ignore it. Play time is very important to cats and they hate when they miss out on attention. Another one that only works sometimes is when you put the cats together and if James calms down, he gets a treat. That method isn't that reliable, tbh. There are several cat trainers (hell, there was a TV show) that can help you but YOU have to put in the effort.

When adopt a pet or rescue one from a shelter, you aren't supposed to rehome them. The idea that it damages them psychologically is pushed by the forever home supporters very heavily.

Anyway, James is actually very well trained. He stops when I tell him no, he lies down when I tell him to, he comes when he's called, and we've been using cat treats to reinforce good behavior since the first day we brought him. The only thing we haven't been able to control is how treats Kenna and his alpha cat behavior. Part of it is because he views his "attacks" as being playful, but Kenna is special needs and thinks she's danger. The other part is that he is determined to remain the alpha cat of the household. Kenna doesn't eat before he does, she doesn't drink before he does, she isn't allowed in the armchair in the study, she isn't allowed in ANY cardboard boxes but she can climb on them all she wants, the windowsill in the living room is out of limits but not the one in the bedroom, she can't sleep in the bed at night and she can only be in it during the day if there's enough room for both of them or if she's not in my lap or somewhere he wants to sit. If she does ANY of things, James will attack her with hissing and spitting, and she just runs from him because she's a runt (she's literally the size of a kitten and she's fully grown) and doesn't fit back. All this is the whole reason we wanted another cat: So Kenna could have a friend and someone to look out for her. My husband and I have tried controlling James's alpha male behavior, and it doesn't work. All he does is get mad at us and take it out on Kenna.

....I don't want to rehome James because I really do love him, despite all this, but I really think he just doesn't get along with other animals. There are no professional cat trainers where we live, and there really aren't any cat experts in the area, except for the volunteers at the SPCA. But Mina came to us with half-inch long nails, a fear of heights, appears to have no idea what to do when she's being (she thinks we're gonna drop her, I guess), and has never tasted soft food. So I'm not too sure I want to turn them. The only other person I can think of asking is Jackson Galaxy.
 
HAHAHAHAHA SPECIAL NEEDS CAT
I'VE HEARD IT ALL
AHAHAHAHA

You should probably get rid of them all and buy a pet spider.
 
I've taken care of a, well, "special" cat before and we only allowed our therapy cats to have contact with it.

But...if you knew James was a mean cat, why did you get another cat? I understand Kenna needs a friend but...did you think he'd change just this once? This should've been anticipated.
Also, I'd hate for you to choose but think about Kenna. She needs the care so maybe sacrifices might have to be made?

Also, are you sure there aren't any cat trainers? I live in a city so I guess it's just a common occurrence to see "Yoga Pet Pals" and "Pet Shop Love" stores scattered everywhere. https://iaabc.org/consultants Also, maybe they go under a different name like "Animal Behaviorist" If there isn't a certified cat trainer in the area, there might be a certain event. My Petsmart held a "Cat Trainers" group before but it was only for a week. If you can't find an event like that, maybe read a few articles/books or watch some shows. I know that's not the best method but in some cases, it helps a lot. Also, I don't know if you already knew this but when training animals, they go through periods where the behavior your trying to stop actually increases. So if I'm training my dog not to jump up on me, I ignore him. He'll think "What?? Why isn't this working before? I got attention this way." and then he'll continue doing it even more to try and get the previous reaction before it calms down. You didn't specify what type of things you do to try and stop the behavior so I'm not sure if I can help. Plus, this is a forum :P

Regarding the "rehoming" thing, I guess I misunderstood what you meant about "rehoming". I thought you meant in general.

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HAHAHAHAHA SPECIAL NEEDS CAT
I'VE HEARD IT ALL
AHAHAHAHA

You should probably get rid of them all and buy a pet spider.
spiders are hella cool
 
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I've taken care of a, well, "special" cat before and we only allowed our therapy cats to have contact with it.

But...if you knew James was a mean cat, why did you get another cat? I understand Kenna needs a friend but...did you think he'd change just this once? This should've been anticipated.
Also, I'd hate for you to choose but think about Kenna. She needs the care so maybe sacrifices might have to be made?

Also, are you sure there aren't any cat trainers? I live in a city so I guess it's just a common occurrence to see "Yoga Pet Pals" and "Pet Shop Love" stores scattered everywhere. https://iaabc.org/consultants Also, maybe they go under a different name like "Animal Behaviorist" If there isn't a certified cat trainer in the area, there might be a certain event. My Petsmart held a "Cat Trainers" group before but it was only for a week. If you can't find an event like that, maybe read a few articles/books or watch some shows. I know that's not the best method but in some cases, it helps a lot. Also, I don't know if you already knew this but when training animals, they go through periods where the behavior your trying to stop actually increases. So if I'm training my dog not to jump up on me, I ignore him. He'll think "What?? Why isn't this working before? I got attention this way." and then he'll continue doing it even more to try and get the previous reaction before it calms down. You didn't specify what type of things you do to try and stop the behavior so I'm not sure if I can help. Plus, this is a forum :P

Regarding the "rehoming" thing, I guess I misunderstood what you meant about "rehoming". I thought you meant in general.

We thought that if we brought in another cat that'd be willing to stand up to James, he'd curb his behavior. As for the cat trainers, we live in a really small, conservative town in the Bible belt. The only type school there is for dogs around here is at Petco and clicker training for cats is virtually unheard of around here. The most you can do is buy a $12 kit at Barnes & Noble, and most people view those as a novelty item. And according to the website you linked, the nearest cat consultant is three hours away.
And, yeah, I am thinking of Kenna. All we've been doing is thinking of Kenna and what we can do to make her happier. She has an appointment coming up soon to see whether or not we should put her on anti-anxiety meds. That's why we started considering rehoming James in the first place.
For negative reinforcement, I usually tell the cats no in a stern voice. If they keep doing it, then I ignore them for a few hours and they usually stop. If they do something really, really bad, I squirt them with a water bottle, which I normally don't have to resort to.
Also I've been researching and studying cats since I was 9 yrs old. I pretty much already knew most of what you've been telling, except for the cat trainer thing. Honestly, I kinda thought that was just a TV thing, but it does make sense now that I think about it, seeing cats are trainable. But, yeah, I know all the basics of cat training and stuff, but I don't know everything. I realize that we should have done more research on introducing new cats to the household before deciding to foster Mina, but we more interested in saving her than leaving her there and reading about it. We've done the research now, though, and we're acclimating Kenna and James to her scent, so there's a chance they'll get along better in the future.
 
First things first: james is VERY stressed out and insecure in his home environment. You need to work on building up the perfect home for him with MULTIPLE different cat trees, litter boxes, shelves just for him, etc. and no 3+ trees is not "a lot" of trees either.

How can you even think of "cat clicker training" when you are using positve PUNISHMENT methods of training? (note: NEGATIVE reinforcement is taking things away from him (Attention, toys, etc) and POSITIVE is adding things (Spraying him yelling at him, etc.)).
James is already insecure and you shouting at him and spraying him WILL NOT help at all.

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/3273
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/training_your_cat_positive_reinforcement.html
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/cat_problem_solver/?credit=web_id83225221

I promise the problem is not James, it is the condition he is in.
You should focus on James, he came first and Kenna is going to be way more easily rehomed than James. Stating that rehoming increases anxiety is very ironic considering you'd be willing to give James away because he's being difficult.

Also: there should be no "alpha" cat in your equation. That is a very outdated method of thinking of cat "hierarchy." You are not "alpha," neither is he or kenna. you are a family.
 
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First things first: james is VERY stressed out and insecure in his home environment. You need to work on building up the perfect home for him with MULTIPLE different cat trees, litter boxes, shelves just for him, etc. and no 3+ trees is not "a lot" of trees either.

How can you even think of "cat clicker training" when you are using positve PUNISHMENT methods of training? (note: NEGATIVE reinforcement is taking things away from him (Attention, toys, etc) and POSITIVE is adding things (Spraying him yelling at him, etc.)).
James is already insecure and you shouting at him and spraying him WILL NOT help at all.

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/3273
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/training_your_cat_positive_reinforcement.html
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/cat_problem_solver/?credit=web_id83225221

I promise the problem is not James, it is the condition he is in.
You should focus on James, he came first and Kenna is going to be way more easily rehomed than James. Stating that rehoming increases anxiety is very ironic considering you'd be willing to give James away because he's being difficult.

Also: there should be no "alpha" cat in your equation. That is a very outdated method of thinking of cat "hierarchy." You are not "alpha," neither is he or kenna. you are a family.

Thank you. This is exactly what I needed. I know that my training methods are somewhat outdated, but they are the only ones I know. I am somewhat familiar with using treats to train, and I've been doing it for years, but apparently, I haven't been doing it properly.
We're going to be adding more cat trees and shelves to our home next week because that's when my husband gets paid. We just don't have the money right now, but we're also clearing some space on our bookshelves so he can climb those as well. We've already set up many kitty hide-away spots on the ground for Kenna and for Mina since she seems to prefer those as well, but I know we do have to focus on the higher up spots.
I will work harder to remind James that we love him and to help him feel secure. Hopefully, that will help him to behave better.
Thank you for all of your helpful advice. I really appreciate it <3
 
Thank you. This is exactly what I needed. I know that my training methods are somewhat outdated, but they are the only ones I know. I am somewhat familiar with using treats to train, and I've been doing it for years, but apparently, I haven't been doing it properly.
We're going to be adding more cat trees and shelves to our home next week because that's when my husband gets paid. We just don't have the money right now, but we're also clearing some space on our bookshelves so he can climb those as well. We've already set up many kitty hide-away spots on the ground for Kenna and for Mina since she seems to prefer those as well, but I know we do have to focus on the higher up spots.
I will work harder to remind James that we love him and to help him feel secure. Hopefully, that will help him to behave better.
Thank you for all of your helpful advice. I really appreciate it <3

It can be a lot to take in at once! It takes a long time to learn positive reinforcement perfectly, but reading reading reading is the best way to go. :) there's thankfully a ton of free information out there that is easy to understand, so as long as you have patience James will start feeling better sooner than you'd think
 
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