Okay. Let?s start from the beginning.
Day 1
Endless brings up suspicion on Kat based on her response to the question he posed her. He believes her refusal to answer the question at first, then changing her mind later & answering it indicates she was more concerned with looking town to
Endless than she was with whether or not the information would be more harmful to town than it was helpful. Kat comes back and says:
When Endless PM'd me asking for my power, I was skeptical at first and said I wouldn't give it to him, then I realized we could use it to stop fake claiming and then told him (main reason was that I wanted to hear his powers tbh, and that was the counter proposal).
You could use it to stop fake-claiming, sure. But by agreeing to the trade,
at this point, you had to at least somewhat think
Endless was town. If someone tried to fake-claim, Endless could just CC. And nobody would try to fake-claim
Endless? role if he?d already died. So really, there was no town benefit to learning his role.
Now, note the bolded part. Kat wanted to hear
Endless? powers. I?ve already established above that there was little to no town benefit to learning
Endless? powers. But, there is a mafia motive - blue-sniping. If you know
Endless has powers, he?s suddenly a great candidate for a night-kill. And being a strong player, it wouldn?t be suspicious for him to die N1. Also wanted to mention a point
Runeraider made that everyone seemed to ignore:
I'm personally very annoyed that Kat gave away their role, especially if they were a blue.
Now, I still think that everything I wrote in
this post still applies regarding
appearance motives. However, when I wrote that post, I overlooked the obvious: actual information motives. i.e., I was considering how each of them would appear to the other based on their actions, while completely ignoring the powerful information on the table that was up for grabs. That changes things.
Slammint then comes in, votes on the Kat bandwagon, and gets immediately pinned down by
Endless. Kat enters the picture & starts questioning them. This line stuck out to me:
Slammint, I know there isn't a lot to go off of, but if you had to pinpoint one person as scum, who would it be? Rather than being 100% random in your vote, try for your best educated guess.
Doesn?t seem like much, but in the context of them being on a mafia team together, it seems like a subtle attempt to steer attention off of them. Also, this whole exchange is weird:
Your my team mates! You should help me xD.
B. If you think I'm your team mate, then why're you voting me?
B: I'm not anymore, I came to my senses.
Could be nothing, could be something.
While people were humming and hawing over Endless, you were the first one to seriously suspect him, and also the first one to vote for him (not including Ender?s LOLvote). Ender agreed with you, and thus starts the bandwagon. Ding, dong, the witch is dead. Except he wasn't a witch, was he?
Night 1
Well ****, if he was town, that takes me back to the drawing board.
Gonna read though and see what I missed. Never quite caught the suspicions surrounding Slammint.
Literally the only thing I can think of as to why Slammint could be scum was that initial vote for me (if there's anything else, tell me). Which yeah... that's bad. But you all made it sound like theres absolutely no motivation for him voting me. I think it was bandwagoning, actually. I have a theory about it, but I have an idea...
Acknowledges the
Slammint suspicions but doesn?t agree to them in subsequent posts. Also writes off the bandwagon vote for her.
Then, you post your reads. Pretty straightforward, then this:
Slammint seems to just be geniunely confused and trying to put something together, so I'm thinking he's alright (for now). That vote he made's a big no no though. My order, from least suspicious to most suspicious, is:
Panda
Bloop
Call Me Daniel
Slammint
Trojan
If you thought
Slammint was alright, why did you put them as second-most suspicious? It makes you look good now that
Slammint?s flipped red.
Slammint then town-reads you (again). A point you keep driving for your case against me, but it applies to you too?
So you're saying that while you saw his point, you saw it only as a possibility, but thought that scum!Slammint would make much more sense? Alright.
My main reasoning at the time as to why I didn't think Slammint was as scummy as you and Endless thought was because I saw what she did as a bandwagon due to him thinking that others knew what to do better than what she knew. Did you consider that, and if so, why did you disregard that possibility?
More defending of
Slammint.
In regards to
Trojan:
Ok thats sus af. I'm pretty damn confidant he's scum.
Then, your next two posts:
Wait, you think someone saying another person was a Town PR is nothing much to think about?!
Why Trojan is PR:
He asked how you use a role. Implies Town PR as he asked in thread, rather than in a mafia chat of some kind (which we wouldn't see).
Then, you go on on to push
Trojan as mafia (really strongly) in
this post despite having acknowledged them as a PR above. Do you or do you not think
Trojan's scum? Can't have both m'dear. I also love how you posted all of this under the guise of 'I might die tonight guys, carry on without me' knowing full well you weren't going anywhere (unless
Trojan's shot had hit you, of course).
Day 2
I never said you were 100% confirmed, and I think I had a pretty damn good reason to say that you were practically confirmed maf. Good job on the shot, though.
This made me LOL.
You then go on to offer yourself up in sacrifice to the mafia gods. Not sure what you thought was going to happen there? 'She's volunteering to die for us, how noble, she must be town. ;-;"? Still don't understand this whole bit. If someone wants to shine some light on it that would be appreciated. Also,
this post is the second time you'd suggested a third party in the game. Trying to create a distraction?
Day goes on. Ender pokes, you respond. Everyone decides you're pretty scummy. Looks like you're going home. Then, you post this...
@EVERYONE
Assume, just for a second, that I'm actually town. Who do you think is the last mafian?
...and Ender comes flying through the metaphorical door to save your butt. Lynch moves to me, then lynch moves to
Bloobloop. I honestly don't really blame him - it looks town to me, too. And I don't blame the new players either - that whole situation was chaotic. But
everything else points to you as the last mafia member, and I can't ignore that on what was likely an off-hand comment to pass time until lynch.
Oh **** this post is scummy as ****. I kinda read over the "love" part when I first read it I guess.
We do have 3 total lynches to burn though, at least. With 3 minutes, it kinda seems impossible to organize a new lynch. This is why we utilize the time that only I was on for like 6 hours.
During the chaos. Might be me misunderstanding your comment, but if we mislynch twice more mafia wins? Not sure how that means we have (had) three lynches to 'burn through'? Just one of those comments that made my gut go 'nope'.
I really hope BlooBloop's mafia. They're the only person I think it feasibly is if it isn't Labelle.
Great, except this
completely contradicts the whole 'experienced mafia' thing you keep pushing.
Night 2
Sarasa is defending herself(?), in a situation where she's trying to prevent her own lynch, the sort of defeatedness is almost what I expected from scum.
But there is no motivation to ask that question. Most scum don't think to ask questions like that when dying. The LAST remaining scum will occasionally play for after the night phase, so it sounds like they are town. (Lynch x after me. Etc) but more often then not, they don't ask questions which lead to positive information flow. A question like that is very highly likely town. (I was also rereading and getting a funny feeling I was wrong too but yeah.)
Like, it's possible that scum!Sarasa said that, but I will honestly be VERY surprised.
The bolded is
exactly what Kat did with
Trojan N1.
Not much else to report on for N2. You questioned me, I responded.
Day 3
Now, to present day. Daniel reveals his reports. Kat immediately assumes I'm GF without hesitation. Ender follows her train of thought.
So there's my case. I was going to make a case for Ender's innocence as well, but to be honest, I don't see the point. You've already made your reasons for thinking Ender's innocent quite clear - they all make sense and I'm inclined to believe them. I will post a case if needed, though.
