An analysis of New Horizons' furniture

Well no that’s true :) but what I meant with same-y is that they’re all... just that, a model of a fish or a bug. Unless you wanted to fill a room with fish or bug models (mind you that’s a cool idea but not for everyone), you’d only really get use out of displaying one or two favourites. It’s still, if we look at the numbers game, 168 individual items that in the base game of new leaf were sofas, tables, chairs, beds, etc. which is definitely a lot more versatile (the fossil models in new leaf were only around 30)

On the other hand, imagine the uproar if somebody's favorite fish or bug wasn't a model. There is complaining now over sets that aren't versatile enough (bunny day, wedding set, spooky set, festive set in some cases).

I can see it both ways. For whatever reason, ot just feels like no matter what they do, the AC community has gotten big enough that (it feels like) nobody is ever happy with anything.
 
Thanks for the replies!

On the topic of models, I do miss miniature dinosaur fossils. Also I miss the music boxes. Additionally, the gemstone variations of furniture being absent is a little disappointing.

I honestly wish Re-Tail would return. Crafting and customization is a huge thing in this game, yet we don't have these.
When I learned about the mini-fossils I was sad they didn't come back. We do have the ability to use the giant fossils, but like most things, having both would be amazing!

Cyrus & Reese returning as special visitors who offer their services would be a fantastic addition!

Well no that’s true :) but what I meant with same-y is that they’re all... just that, a model of a fish or a bug. Unless you wanted to fill a room with fish or bug models (mind you that’s a cool idea but not for everyone), you’d only really get use out of displaying one or two favourites. It’s still, if we look at the numbers game, 168 individual items that in the base game of new leaf were sofas, tables, chairs, beds, etc. which is definitely a lot more versatile (the fossil models in new leaf were only around 30)
There are around 165 models for fish and bugs counting each individual and a few variations like the Mounted Marlin. Like you said, some of the sets were probably cut in order to finish the models. Versatility is key, because it falls on the eye of the beholder. For me, I prefer having different model to decorate instead of 10 beds of different colors- I only have the need for one bed on my house and I used a Shell bed to decorate a beach, whereas I have used up to 30 bugs and fishes around the island. But the reverse is true for others, which is why I hope they keep adding things to the game!

I think one of the key factors that get overlooked is access to your options - in NL, everything was available in your own copy of the game, while NH requires both money (for the online subscription) and other venues outside of the game (to arrange trades) to get a lot of options. Maybe the diner series is the perfect fit for my kitchen, but I need it in yellow instead of blue - and now I need to have a paid service and invest time, possibly a lot, to find people who happen to have all the pieces in the color I want. In NL I'd order the default series and have them changed, and just waiting half an hour per item is nowhere near as time-consuming as coordinating trades with people with their own schedule (a thing you really only HAD to do with regional exclusives in NL).

And then there's the variety - thanks to the crafting system and the limited resource types there is a lot of wood. Yeah, the numbers are impressive, but then it's a regular wooden series, wooden blocks, logs, wood with some iron around it, and it really gets samey compared to distinctly diferrent furniture like, say, comparing the rococo, royal, astro wtc. series from NL. NL may be more creative with the event items but overall it feels like less because the day-to-day items don't match up.

Numbers are well and good, but they don't really reflect the actual experience of playing the game.
Just to nitpick, I may be on the wrong, but I don't think there is an absolute need for money. Local play doesn't require a NSO subscription, right? I know now is not the time for local play but I doubt Nintendo knew either :p There are also free NSO trials to help cataloguing. Of course, it's all a problem of current Nintendo, and something Animal Crossing developers couldn't prevent, sadly.

The access to your color options is not something I intended for this thread, as I lack the relevant information for NL (which and how many items can be customised). I know that there are around 350 items on this game that can be customised at any time, similar to NL. RNG can also help (or most of the times, not) to get the variations of non-customisable items, and can also be done by yourself- but thanks to the fact that it is RNG, it's safe to say it's not a big support. If anyone has the data, I'd be delighted to take a shot at analysing it.

Lastly, I may not agree with the variety. For me, many of the sets of furniture blur together not because of colors or shape (which some of them are indeed very similar) but because all the sets feature mostly the exact same items. On the other hand, all of the four series you mentioned feature wood, but they have much more furniture variety, as I won't find 4 kitchenettes, 4 decorative shelves, 4 stools, 4 garden lounges, etc.

If you're looking for variety within specific categories like chairs, tables and clocks; sure, NL got you covered. If you're looking for variety of shapes, objects and the like, I think NH has the upper hand. From a quick look, NL has 95 chairs to choose from and that's impressive! It's a fact it has a wild variety of the same piece. NH has only 34 chairs. That means that some of the missing items from NH are other things different than chairs, that add variety of objects.

It all boils down to the focus of decorating both outdoors and indoors and probably the functionality seen of each item. That's precisely why numbers need context to work.



Excuse me, but I felt you were being very rude and hostile to me.

You quoted me, and in bold text proceeded to point out how I am wrong about everything I posted.

When my post was JUST an opinion, hence the word 'probably', and not stating anything as fact.

I'm an adult.
I don't come here to be talked down to, or have my posts dissected, or to debate.
I wasn't rude to you.

Do me the same courtesy.

It seems people who don't incessantly gush over this game are attacked for it.

Over & out.
Please don't mix your opinion with actual facts then. I was very respectful with you and didn't say anything wrong nor made some digs at you, which you did. And apologies, this a forum for discussion, I thought we are expected to debate things. If you want to keep incessantly complaining about the game, I think there's a special thread for that (and even then, you are allowed to complain in any thread). But once again, I open up the invitation to create and even richer thread with analysis, comparisons and understanding.
 
Excellent analysis. Though there's a few additions I think are of note.

From a pure furniture perspective, what NH is missing is variety in the furniture. You want a red/purple/white house interior, well you have to pick a standard brown set and maybe customise the cushions? If there is a white option it's the log series customised only. This is terrible for a series that has it's main draw be decorating.* In NL there was a lot more basic furniture yes, but it was hugely varied. NH it's almost all wooden or brown, or some new and outdoorsy. There's no inbetween or other types of furniture. We've also lost a lot of the wackier series, like the Astro series, or fun nintendo bits, or number lamps and giant chess pieces. And without these sorts of options, you run ito a case where almost everyone has a cottage core island, because the modern and sleek sets were deleted so no options for a black interior heavy metal den.
*Because lets face it the game priority was not purely decorating in the early series games, and that is what is pushed for NH now (also socialisation, but without new decorated areas.... there's nothing to do here, our only option is show of decorations currently?)

NH also has a lot more furniture locked up in time fixed events compared to NL, further restricting the amount of items we could see this first year. But even as these have slowly rotated in through the year, they just as quickly disappear. So the day to day variety of new furniture is further diminished. This compounds the percieved problem of Nooklings not selling anything interesting, to the point I stopped checking their shop early on in the game. Meanwhile I could open NL every day for a week and still see some furniture I don't have over a year later.

HHD and PC also came before NH, and incorporated many ideas and furniture pieces that a lot of people understanably expected to come to the main series. - And I don't just mean PCs 1000s of items. I mean things like curtains, door decorations, ceiling items. These are the sort of gameplay progressions that should have happened that resulted in a lot of effectively cut content. But these things are not factored in when just looking at furniture totals. I know you took the view that comparing WA content to NH is unfair as it came 4 years later. But NH came 8 years later, so as far as I'm concerned, it should have 8 years of progression, and not be backtracking to the furniture total of a game that came out 5 years before NL. (And even CF had better variety in furniture types!)

I also think the counting system here is a bit skewed by NH having literally 160 bug/fish models, and not counting PWP in New leaf, when most of it's 100ish PWP are now furniture in NH. (Also don't get me started on adding diving critters but then not adding models for them.) And although it happens less in NH, we still have things like the pond stone, cherry blossom pond stone and maple leaf pond stone counting as 3 different items.

I think some of my points have meandered a little, but to end off on a big one. This game costs more than any previous Animal Crossing game, and then sold better than all of them. I'd like to see some of those hundred millions of extra profit in the game I'm playing, and not only 51 new items so far. - We're on track to eventually reach NL+WA furniture total in.... oh, 10 and a half years at the current rate.
 
Just to nitpick, I may be on the wrong, but I don't think there is an absolute need for money. Local play doesn't require a NSO subscription, right? I know now is not the time for local play but I doubt Nintendo knew either :p There are also free NSO trials to help cataloguing. Of course, it's all a problem of current Nintendo, and something Animal Crossing developers couldn't prevent, sadly.
Local play is even less readily available, since it relies on other people who are geographically close enough to spending money on both a Switch and the game. Sure, once you do know someone, it's much easier than online, but the option needs to be there in the first place. (And NSO trials don't cost money but give you a very limited time frame to do all the arranging and trading, which honestly isn't much better.)
 
This is an interesting analysis -- I gotta say I'm loving how versatile the new furniture is for outdoor decoration, but I really miss the 1x1 single couches and the ranch set!
 
Local play is even less readily available, since it relies on other people who are geographically close enough to spending money on both a Switch and the game. Sure, once you do know someone, it's much easier than online, but the option needs to be there in the first place. (And NSO trials don't cost money but give you a very limited time frame to do all the arranging and trading, which honestly isn't much better.)

The thing about the NSO trials: There's nolimit to how many you can get - and once a trial is up, you can use another one. My Nintendo offers new trials for 100 platinum points each month, so they're pretty easy to get. Thus, the 'limited time' really isn't as limited as you think.
 
There are around 165 models for fish and bugs counting each individual and a few variations like the Mounted Marlin. Like you said, some of the sets were probably cut in order to finish the models. Versatility is key, because it falls on the eye of the beholder. For me, I prefer having different model to decorate instead of 10 beds of different colors- I only have the need for one bed on my house and I used a Shell bed to decorate a beach, whereas I have used up to 30 bugs and fishes around the island. But the reverse is true for others, which is why I hope they keep adding things to the game!
This was an incredibly interesting perspective, thank you for sharing! Personally I hadn’t even thought of decorating the outdoors with a wide variety of models, and I agree that makes more sense than a bunch of beds! I’m more of an interior decorator so the first thing I noticed was that I had run out of unique 2x1 tables, but I suppose if you’re designing your island there isn’t much of a need for so many tables lol, and maybe I’m the only one being fussy about not reusing a table anywhere in my house.


The new leaf furniture customisation is here btw if you were interested!
Thanks for sparking the most productive conversation yet about the New Horizons furniture :)

From a pure furniture perspective, what NH is missing is variety in the furniture. You want a red/purple/white house interior, well you have to pick a standard brown set and maybe customise the cushions? If there is a white option it's the log series customised only. This is terrible for a series that has it's main draw be decorating.* In NL there was a lot more basic furniture yes, but it was hugely varied.

I agree about a lot of what you said but I have to say I disagree about the colour thing though? In New Leaf I often couldn’t customise furniture into entirely different colours but in New Horizons I could literally... Combine white rattan with white customised log, with a white variation of the fireplace, and a white customised anchor, with white customised shells, etc. It’s been way easier to mix and match colours. The same thing happened for my dark brown and red basement

On the other hand, imagine the uproar if somebody's favorite fish or bug wasn't a model. There is complaining now over sets that aren't versatile enough (bunny day, wedding set, spooky set, festive set in some cases).

I can see it both ways. For whatever reason, ot just feels like no matter what they do, the AC community has gotten big enough that (it feels like) nobody is ever happy with anything.

Don’t worry ^^ I think having all the models in game is cool! I just mentioned them because they skew the numbers in favour of new horizons, yet new horizons still doesn’t come out very favourable. If we had like 1600 items including all the models that would have been awesome :)
 
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The thing about the NSO trials: There's nolimit to how many you can get - and once a trial is up, you can use another one. My Nintendo offers new trials for 100 platinum points each month, so they're pretty easy to get. Thus, the 'limited time' really isn't as limited as you think.
That's interesting, I didn't know they would let you use it again and again. I remember when I first got the game I was thinking about the trial and looking up my platinum points that I got from Pocket Camp. Unfortunately they expire and hundreds of points that I saved up had already disappeared. I since deleted Pocket Camp, do you happen to know of any other ways to get points? Do I need to play Nintendo phone games or something?
 
That was a really lovely post to read! I already figured that New Leaf had more furniture in the game but it was nice to see a direct comparison of the old vs new Bunny Day & Spooky sets.

I like some of the furniture in New Horizons, I just feel like it doesn't have a lot of house furniture, if that makes sense? The new Spooky furniture pieces were gorgeous! But... the only real "house" pieces I feel like we got were the wallpaper, floor, rug, and the portrait of Jack. Which don't make for the very best room haha. It feels like a lot of the seasonal sets have that sort of disconnect? They'll have pieces obviously suited for outdoors and then a few pieces for indoor use and it throws me off because there's not a lot of other pieces that I feel like will blend nice with the holiday furniture? I suppose the Antique set wouldn't look bad with the Spooky pieces depending on colouring, same with the Cute set for Bunny Day items, but I have no idea what I'd blend with the Ice Furniture for example.

I feel like we've only got a handful of complete house sets in New Horizons, no? Antique Set, Cute Set, Rattan Set, maybe one or two more. Not a whole lot to choose from and it's such a hassle even trying to find all the pieces for those sets.

I'm really hoping that they'll update Nooks store soon so it sells more than like... three furniture pieces a day lol and add in new furniture series when they do. I'd love to see the Rococo set & Regal set return with some New Horizons polish and I'd love for Gracie sets to come back! Specifically the Sweets set & Princess set. Hopefully they'll add in more houses furniture as they go because I feel like New Horizons is severely lacking in that department.
 
That's interesting, I didn't know they would let you use it again and again. I remember when I first got the game I was thinking about the trial and looking up my platinum points that I got from Pocket Camp. Unfortunately they expire and hundreds of points that I saved up had already disappeared. I since deleted Pocket Camp, do you happen to know of any other ways to get points? Do I need to play Nintendo phone games or something?

Logging in to My Nintendo from a PC browser each week nets 30 platinum points per week, so just doing that alone will give you enough points get a new trial code coming out each month. You can also enter the eShop via the 3DS each to get 30 more points as well. Just be careful that the codes do have an expiration date.
 
Logging in to My Nintendo from a PC browser each week nets 30 platinum points per week, so just doing that alone will give you enough points get a new trial code coming out each month. You can also enter the eShop via the 3DS each to get 30 more points as well. Just be careful that the codes do have an expiration date.
Oh ok, that doesn't sound too bad. Thanks 😀
 
I agree about a lot of what you said but I have to say I disagree about the colour thing though? In New Leaf I often couldn’t customise furniture into entirely different colours but in New Horizons I could literally... Combine white rattan with white customised log, with a white variation of the fireplace, and a white customised anchor, with white customised shells, etc. It’s been way easier to mix and match colours. The same thing happened for my dark brown and red basement

In NL you had like the modern series, which could be any colour, and even gem colours giving 2 green, blue, pink and purple options. There were a few series that could be most colours. NH you have a series which is 3 shades of brown + white, a series which is only brown or green, a series which is 4 different wood colours and rainbow all in one. There's barely any series that are as versatile as some of the NL ones. (and when you do get one, like the cute series, you can only get one colour in your town!)

I agree on the whole colour matching is better, but it's because multiple series are now the same shade of colour, as opposed to having options. The green series would have light and dark greens, and there's not much like that anymore. Also I find some of the furniture that I've grouped thinking it's a good match, I then see almost everyone that went for that colour scheme has done the same grouping, because there is no other dark blue option outside of the imperial and diner series.
 
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Thanks for the replies, everyone! It's been great to see all the perspectives coming together.

Excellent analysis. Though there's a few additions I think are of note.

From a pure furniture perspective, what NH is missing is variety in the furniture. You want a red/purple/white house interior, well you have to pick a standard brown set and maybe customise the cushions? If there is a white option it's the log series customised only. This is terrible for a series that has it's main draw be decorating.* In NL there was a lot more basic furniture yes, but it was hugely varied. NH it's almost all wooden or brown, or some new and outdoorsy. There's no inbetween or other types of furniture. We've also lost a lot of the wackier series, like the Astro series, or fun nintendo bits, or number lamps and giant chess pieces. And without these sorts of options, you run ito a case where almost everyone has a cottage core island, because the modern and sleek sets were deleted so no options for a black interior heavy metal den.
*Because lets face it the game priority was not purely decorating in the early series games, and that is what is pushed for NH now (also socialisation, but without new decorated areas.... there's nothing to do here, our only option is show of decorations currently?)

NH also has a lot more furniture locked up in time fixed events compared to NL, further restricting the amount of items we could see this first year. But even as these have slowly rotated in through the year, they just as quickly disappear. So the day to day variety of new furniture is further diminished. This compounds the percieved problem of Nooklings not selling anything interesting, to the point I stopped checking their shop early on in the game. Meanwhile I could open NL every day for a week and still see some furniture I don't have over a year later.

HHD and PC also came before NH, and incorporated many ideas and furniture pieces that a lot of people understanably expected to come to the main series. - And I don't just mean PCs 1000s of items. I mean things like curtains, door decorations, ceiling items. These are the sort of gameplay progressions that should have happened that resulted in a lot of effectively cut content. But these things are not factored in when just looking at furniture totals. I know you took the view that comparing WA content to NH is unfair as it came 4 years later. But NH came 8 years later, so as far as I'm concerned, it should have 8 years of progression, and not be backtracking to the furniture total of a game that came out 5 years before NL. (And even CF had better variety in furniture types!)

I also think the counting system here is a bit skewed by NH having literally 160 bug/fish models, and not counting PWP in New leaf, when most of it's 100ish PWP are now furniture in NH. (Also don't get me started on adding diving critters but then not adding models for them.) And although it happens less in NH, we still have things like the pond stone, cherry blossom pond stone and maple leaf pond stone counting as 3 different items.

I think some of my points have meandered a little, but to end off on a big one. This game costs more than any previous Animal Crossing game, and then sold better than all of them. I'd like to see some of those hundred millions of extra profit in the game I'm playing, and not only 51 new items so far. - We're on track to eventually reach NL+WA furniture total in.... oh, 10 and a half years at the current rate.
Your reply is very insightful. I'll try to respond to your points:

Yeah, the recurring factor I'm watching here is that indeed, NH lacks standard house furniture. I don't know if the "everyone has a cottage core" is a problem of NH when even then, every island can be different thanks to all the tools provided like terraforming. Was the problem of certain types of towns being recurring was not present on NL? Prior to release, I remember something about players complaining about some styles like the Fairy Tale one being prevalent around that era. Is the problem almost the same but greatly magnified due to more than double userbase?

What do you mean by time-locked furniture on NH? Are you referring to how for example, since the Halloween wasn't present on the game at first, you couldn't get that? If so, that's why I compared the totals at release and the update totals. The day-to-day furniture of Nook's Cranny is more of a "crafting" problem, as that reduces considerably the amount of new surprises to be found at the shop in exchange of having everything available all day- which for some wasn't a great trade-off.

The thing about PC or HHD coming before is that... I don't think that people should have expected NH to include everything from all the past games. I know that opinions and all that, but... like, people really got especially high hopes that all things were going to come back and that's not how game development works. Although there are comments about how early planning of the game begun after the release of NL, that doesn't mean it had all the time to include everything that came during the development- because different teams work on different games and even if the same people overlap; the managing of projects are totally different. People working on NH may have not known about people working on the Welcome amiibo or Pocket Camp or simply didn't have access to their features, codes, assets.

Sometimes it really seems that people expected NH to have ALL the things from the mainline and the spin-off games on top of having new mechanics, features, HD graphics and sound design and further updates down the line.

About the counting system, it's not really skewed. The 160 fish/bug models have the same importance as having 95 chairs and 70 beds; so it's not something worth pointing out. Regarding the PWP; please note that there are around 70 of them, but you can only have 30 of them in your town- which means they are not easily accesible. For example, you can put hundreds of log benches on NH, both inside or outside your house whereas putting a single one on PWP is restricted to the outdoors and you have 1 less project to use. Even then, PWP include things like bridges, fences, which are not being counted for NH total. Do remodelations and building count towards the limit? Because that makes it even more restricted. With all of this in mind, is why I didn't include the PWP on NL total.


The new leaf furniture customisation is here btw if you were interested!
Thanks, will check it out!

That's interesting, I didn't know they would let you use it again and again. I remember when I first got the game I was thinking about the trial and looking up my platinum points that I got from Pocket Camp. Unfortunately they expire and hundreds of points that I saved up had already disappeared. I since deleted Pocket Camp, do you happen to know of any other ways to get points? Do I need to play Nintendo phone games or something?
Adding to the answer that @Lanstar provided, yes, Nintendo mobile games offers Platinum Points by reaching certain milestones, but they also add "missions" from time to time that award points by finding things on the official sites for some games (like Astral Chain or Hyrule Wariors), and you can even get some by linking accounts and receiving the newsletter monthly.

In fact I have some Platinum Points saved, does anyone know if I can redeem them for NSO trials and giveaway them here?

That was a really lovely post to read! I already figured that New Leaf had more furniture in the game but it was nice to see a direct comparison of the old vs new Bunny Day & Spooky sets.

I like some of the furniture in New Horizons, I just feel like it doesn't have a lot of house furniture, if that makes sense? The new Spooky furniture pieces were gorgeous! But... the only real "house" pieces I feel like we got were the wallpaper, floor, rug, and the portrait of Jack. Which don't make for the very best room haha. It feels like a lot of the seasonal sets have that sort of disconnect? They'll have pieces obviously suited for outdoors and then a few pieces for indoor use and it throws me off because there's not a lot of other pieces that I feel like will blend nice with the holiday furniture? I suppose the Antique set wouldn't look bad with the Spooky pieces depending on colouring, same with the Cute set for Bunny Day items, but I have no idea what I'd blend with the Ice Furniture for example.

I feel like we've only got a handful of complete house sets in New Horizons, no? Antique Set, Cute Set, Rattan Set, maybe one or two more. Not a whole lot to choose from and it's such a hassle even trying to find all the pieces for those sets.

I'm really hoping that they'll update Nooks store soon so it sells more than like... three furniture pieces a day lol and add in new furniture series when they do. I'd love to see the Rococo set & Regal set return with some New Horizons polish and I'd love for Gracie sets to come back! Specifically the Sweets set & Princess set. Hopefully they'll add in more houses furniture as they go because I feel like New Horizons is severely lacking in that department.
Yes, there are not many complete house sets. I saw a similar feeling of the one you say about the Spooky series when the Turkey Day series was revealed. Even tho many people loved the items, they were expecting the standard bed, lamp, clock, dresser, etc. The bad thing for those is that Festivale series will probably get a similar treatment :(
 
In fact I have some Platinum Points saved, does anyone know if I can redeem them for NSO trials and giveaway them here?

You can only redeem the points for a trial code once per month per My Nintendo account - and the code is only usable once. They usually expire a week or so after the end of the month it was first offered as well. Just take note of that when you try to do a giveaway.
 
Rollingantony, thank you for this in-depth analysis. As a person who never played New Leaf, it's interesting to me to read about the differences. I kind of wish they'd release New Leaf for the Switch so I could play it. I don't want another console and the New Leaf graphics are not as nice, but it sounds like a great game. I would love to have all that extra furniture!
 
Your reply is very insightful. I'll try to respond to your points:

Yeah, the recurring factor I'm watching here is that indeed, NH lacks standard house furniture. I don't know if the "everyone has a cottage core" is a problem of NH when even then, every island can be different thanks to all the tools provided like terraforming. Was the problem of certain types of towns being recurring was not present on NL? Prior to release, I remember something about players complaining about some styles like the Fairy Tale one being prevalent around that era. Is the problem almost the same but greatly magnified due to more than double userbase?

What do you mean by time-locked furniture on NH? Are you referring to how for example, since the Halloween wasn't present on the game at first, you couldn't get that? If so, that's why I compared the totals at release and the update totals. The day-to-day furniture of Nook's Cranny is more of a "crafting" problem, as that reduces considerably the amount of new surprises to be found at the shop in exchange of having everything available all day- which for some wasn't a great trade-off.

The thing about PC or HHD coming before is that... I don't think that people should have expected NH to include everything from all the past games. I know that opinions and all that, but... like, people really got especially high hopes that all things were going to come back and that's not how game development works. Although there are comments about how early planning of the game begun after the release of NL, that doesn't mean it had all the time to include everything that came during the development- because different teams work on different games and even if the same people overlap; the managing of projects are totally different. People working on NH may have not known about people working on the Welcome amiibo or Pocket Camp or simply didn't have access to their features, codes, assets.

Sometimes it really seems that people expected NH to have ALL the things from the mainline and the spin-off games on top of having new mechanics, features, HD graphics and sound design and further updates down the line.

About the counting system, it's not really skewed. The 160 fish/bug models have the same importance as having 95 chairs and 70 beds; so it's not something worth pointing out. Regarding the PWP; please note that there are around 70 of them, but you can only have 30 of them in your town- which means they are not easily accesible. For example, you can put hundreds of log benches on NH, both inside or outside your house whereas putting a single one on PWP is restricted to the outdoors and you have 1 less project to use. Even then, PWP include things like bridges, fences, which are not being counted for NH total. Do remodelations and building count towards the limit? Because that makes it even more restricted. With all of this in mind, is why I didn't include the PWP on NL total.

Yeah, it is the standard housing furniture that I think has been worst hit here. But in terms of NL, the "fairytale" towns were prevalent because the exterior of the buildings only had like 4-5 options, and ofc PWP were limited. In NL it's more on the decorations inside houses, and that is what throws NHs furniture loss into such relief. Because most of the interior furiture is now either removed, or as you shown, reimagined into a new exterior series such as the Spooky/Creepy set. And what we do have just doesn't have the versatility to make something like my favourite New Leaf room:
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By time locked, I don't just mean the Holiday series. I also mean the cherry blossom/maple leaf etc series. In NL I think the snowman series, holiday items and 1 Gracie series per 3 months were time-locked items. Now a significant portion of craftable furniture is not unlockable for most of the year. This has likely dramatically hampered peoples designing for the first year, leading further to the echo chamber of the furniture pool being really small. It's improved now a year has progressed, but previous games didn't have nearly as much furniture that could only be acquired at set times of the year. So the base game may have had over 1000 items, but until you'd played for a whole year, a good portion of that was not available without TTing, and certainly never going to be sold in the shop, which is the first place that springs to mind when it comes to getting new items.

In terms of PC/HHD, I agree there's no way we would get all the furniture added to NH. (We have enough load problems as it is.) But compared to HHD the house feels a lot more basic than it was, and it's saddening to see villagers return to 6x6 rooms. They dangled these progressive features in front of us, and withdrew them. As for PC, I think what hits me hard is that every month for years now, PC players have had at least 50 new bits of furniture added. Every month in PC contains more new furniture than all the furniture from 9 months of NH updates put together. It just feels insulting to be so imbalanced. I'm not asking for the level of weird detail they get in PC, or for them to bring all PC items into the game in one giant update. But I am definitely going to call out that a far smaller third party company is able to churn out new furniture at a faster pace and often higher quality (villagers actually interact with it!) than Nintendo are managing.

As for the PWP from a decorating and content perspective, there are about 80 that act as furniture pieces. With a caveat here, of they have an additional file in the NL data for winter where they collect snow, so they represent about 160 furniture models in the data. Also about 40-50 of these became furniture in NH, hence why I think it be counted because they became part of the NH count despite being the same item. The 30 item restriction is irrelevant as the games code just interprets them as furniture. It's a bit like saying the 1700 items in NL can't be placed outdoors, so they count as 0 when decorating outside in NH. (I say this facetiously, as I am very familiar with the internal coding of AC games, and there is a lot (in fact far more in NH than NL!) of things that are in effect furniture as far as the game code is concerned.)

Again, mostly just my opinions here. But I can't help but feel jaded that my favourite game series has gone from a game that kept me engrossed and playing an hour+ daily for 3 years, to losing me completely within 5 months. Almost entirely because my favourite aspect - decorating, has been expanded spacewise so I can finally get all my ideas out, but half of the things I would want to make are no longer possible.
 
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And what we do have just doesn't have the versatility to make something like my favourite New Leaf room:
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I remember seeing the yellow watermelon items somewhere. I really hope upon hopes that if we get farming we’ll be able to grow watermelons and craft these furniture items.
 
I remember seeing the yellow watermelon items somewhere. I really hope upon hopes that if we get farming we’ll be able to grow watermelons and craft these furniture items.
Yeah, series like the fruit, flower, bug and fish sets in NL were some of my favourites. And they're exactly the series that have been wildly reinterpretted into outdoor items and lost all their chairs and tables and things like comically large angler fish lamps.

I really want farming (and the return of the cut tropical/perfect fruits) to bring these things back.
 
Yeah, series like the fruit, flower, bug and fish sets in NL were some of my favourites. And they're exactly the series that have been wildly reinterpretted into outdoor items and lost all their chairs and tables and things like comically large angler fish lamps.

I really want farming (and the return of the cut tropical/perfect fruits) to bring these things back.
While I kinda like the reimagined sets (if you’ve seen me around you’ll know I’m a nut for outdoorsy builds), it does kinda ruin how they were once used. I low key wish that they’d make something zany for newer sets (the closest we’ve gotten was the apple TV). I also hope that, if they add in more fruit, that they also make outfits for them. I NEED a durian hat in my life!
 
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