Coronavirus

I very much feel like Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, at least here in the United States anyway, will be remembered in the same vein as James Buchanan's handling of the secession of the Southern states ahead of the Civil War, or Herbert Hoover's handling of the Great Depression. Whenever a president mishandles a crisis, it hurts his historical standing.
Even presidents who technically handled lesser crises than Buchanan and Hoover in poor ways aren't remembered well. Martin Van Buren's handling of the Panic of 1837 isn't remembered well. Franklin Pierce did next-to-nothing about Bleeding Kansas. Jimmy Carter's bad economy and the Iran hostage crisis are stains on his administration, and they caused him to lose re-election to Ronald Reagan in a landslide in 1980. George W. Bush's handling of the Great Recession is not considered to have aged well and Bush largely hasn't been considered a president that was well aware at all of the housing bubble when it was occurring (granted, the bubble actually started under his predecessor, Bill Clinton, but still).

Not to mention, if one president poorly handles a crisis, it takes a toll at the entire party for an extended period of time. When Abraham Lincoln became president, the United States rarely elected Democrats until 1932. When Franklin D Roosevelt became president, Republicans couldn’t control any part of the federal government for 20 years. This might happen to the Republicans again, but because we live in an age of extreme partisanship, I don’t know who’s going to win the next election. My choice of news (Townhall.com) had written many articles proving that the Democratic Party is the party of dictatorship and betrayal, but many other news sources have been saying that the Republicans have poorly handled the virus. This election might be a virus vs economy & freedom election, rather than a healthcare vs immigration election like what the 2020 election was initially about.
 
I honestly don't think Covid-19 is going to "go away"...and if it does, it will be replaced by something else. I think we're just at that point where the population is on the brink of something or another. Same could be said for the supply chain. It was strained to begin with. Of course, we could all be doing more to limit the spread of these things, and it would certainly help if scientific endeavors would stop being undercut for political gain. But...yeah...I think this is just how we are now. I don't really see 2021 or even 2022 being a "magical number" for everything just being "fine".
 
Wow this is wild to read a couple months later with how the state of the world is now. I think a lot of us started out thinking the virus was something that is creepy and scary but would never actually reach or harm any of us, but look at where we are now.
 
I am so glad the semester is over, because I’ve reached a mental breaking point and can barely focus on anything anymore. I live with two essential workers, and the tension over the situation is slowly eating away at us. They put on a brave face and make a good show of being fine and happy, but I can see how drained they are even while we’re laughing and playing games. I just found out that my uncle passed away yesterday due to Covid, but I’m so numb that it isn’t even registering emotionally.
 
I honestly don't think Covid-19 is going to "go away"...and if it does, it will be replaced by something else. I think we're just at that point where the population is on the brink of something or another. Same could be said for the supply chain. It was strained to begin with. Of course, we could all be doing more to limit the spread of these things, and it would certainly help if scientific endeavors would stop being undercut for political gain. But...yeah...I think this is just how we are now. I don't really see 2021 or even 2022 being a "magical number" for everything just being "fine".

Yep. The fact that this pandemic is changing society is probably worse than the pandemic itself. Eventually we will have a cure for COVID-19. But what was "normal" I don't think will ever completely return. I think we'll have to get used to a new normal, whatever that's going to be.
 
I am so glad the semester is over, because I’ve reached a mental breaking point and can barely focus on anything anymore. I live with two essential workers, and the tension over the situation is slowly eating away at us. They put on a brave face and make a good show of being fine and happy, but I can see how drained they are even while we’re laughing and playing games. I just found out that my uncle passed away yesterday due to Covid, but I’m so numb that it isn’t even registering emotionally.

I am so sorry for your loss and for the overwhelming amount of mental weight you are facing right now. If you ever need to vent to someone you can send me a PM. I'm here for you!
 
Not to mention, if one president poorly handles a crisis, it takes a toll at the entire party for an extended period of time. When Abraham Lincoln became president, the United States rarely elected Democrats until 1932. When Franklin D Roosevelt became president, Republicans couldn’t control any part of the federal government for 20 years. This might happen to the Republicans again, but because we live in an age of extreme partisanship, I don’t know who’s going to win the next election. My choice of news (Townhall.com) had written many articles proving that the Democratic Party is the party of dictatorship and betrayal, but many other news sources have been saying that the Republicans have poorly handled the virus. This election might be a virus vs economy & freedom election, rather than a healthcare vs immigration election like what the 2020 election was initially about.
You make a good point, Mica, as the only Democrats elected in the presidencies from Abraham Lincoln to Herbert Hoover were Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson (Cleveland first got elected in 1884, then he lost re-election in 1888 to Benjamin Harrison, but then he defeated Harrison in a rematch in 1892, which is why he is the only president to serve non-consecutive terms, while Wilson was first elected in 1912 and then re-elected in 1916). As for the twenty years the Democrats controlled the presidency from 1933 to 1953 under the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry Truman, yes, that is true, although the Republicans did manage to control Congress for a single term from 1947 to 1949 under Truman, as the Truman administration had become unpopular in the lead-up to the 1946 midterms because of what was perceived as Harry Truman's poor handling of labor unions right after World War II.
Nevertheless, I would like to mention that in the former case of the years following the Civil War (until the onset of the Great Depression, anyway) in the second half of the nineteenth century and the early part of the twentieth, James Buchanan likely wasn't the only president blamed for poorly handling the secessions of the Southern states-as I said, his predecessor, Franklin Pierce, was in office when Bleeding Kansas, which essentially precipitated the Civil War, broke out in 1854, and Pierce had gotten so unpopular even within the Democratic Party that he is the only elected president to not have been renominated by his party when running for re-election. (This was before primaries, of course, but at the 1856 Democratic National Convention, rather than renominating incumbent President Pierce to be the nominee again and allow him to run for a second term, James Buchanan was nominated instead) I think the Pierce and Buchanan administrations were equally blamed by American voters.
However, it could also be argued that even if two recent Republican presidents have been elected (George W. Bush and Donald Trump), the Republican Party has still suffered in the eyes of the voters in the United States. Since Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, lost re-election to Bill Clinton in 1992, George W. Bush's re-election in 2004 has been the lone time a Republican won the popular vote in a presidential election. George H.W. Bush lost both the popular and electoral vote when he lost re-election to Clinton in 1992, and then Clinton got re-elected winning the popular and electoral vote again in 1996 against Bob Dole. George W. Bush did get elected in a close, controversial election in 2000 against Al Gore (who of course had been the incumbent vice president in the Clinton administration) with the Florida recount, but Gore still won the popular vote. While Bush managed to get re-elected in 2004 against John Kerry winning the popular and electoral vote, Republicans John McCain and Mitt Romney would go on to lose the popular and electoral vote again to a Democrat in the 2008 and 2012 elections, Barack Obama. Then, while Republican Donald Trump won the 2016 election, he still lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton. All but one election since 1992 has involved the loss of the popular vote for the Republican nominee.
It is worth mentioning this: while none of the elections since 1992 can be considered landslides, sans 1996 (and even then, Bill Clinton's re-election victory over Bob Dole in the 1996 election was barely a landslide), both of Clinton's respective victories in 1992 and 1996 and Barack Obama's first victory in 2008 were by pretty large margins. Even the 2012 election when Obama got re-elected wasn't terribly close. On the other hand, both of George W. Bush's election victories in 2000 and 2004, respectively, and Donald Trump's victory in 2016 were close elections, with neither winning the popular vote (in Bush's case, not the first time at least, against Al Gore).
 
As someone who lives down here, yes, they do close Disneyland during natural disasters.
I forgot to mention that the 2020 Summer Olympics has been delayed, 2020 might be the first year since the Player’s Strike that MLB won’t have a World Series, and unemployment is going up. If all of that is happening all at once, that tells me something.

I decided to compile a list of events (based on significance and impact) that are on par with COVID-19, both social and technological. The Holocaust is clearly one of them, but events like 9/11 isn’t (especially if they were more minor than 9/11).You may remind me if I have forgotten something, but if it’s an event I know that I haven’t listed, I avoided listing it for a reason. Not that we shouldn’t care, but this is how much impact the Coronavirus did.

  • The fall of the Roman Empire
  • The Crusades
  • The Bubonic Plague
  • The Invention of the Printing Press
  • Columbus’s Voyages
  • The American Revolution
  • The French Revolution
  • The American Civil War
  • The Invention of the Light Bulb
  • The Panama Canal
  • The Sinking of the Titanic
  • World War I (and related events)
  • The Great Depression
  • World War II (and related events)
  • The Moon Landing
  • The Invention of Computers
 
I forgot to mention that the 2020 Summer Olympics has been delayed, 2020 might be the first year since the Player’s Strike that MLB won’t have a World Series, and unemployment is going up. If all of that is happening all at once, that tells me something.

I decided to compile a list of events (based on significance and impact) that are on par with COVID-19, both social and technological. The Holocaust is clearly one of them, but events like 9/11 isn’t (especially if they were more minor than 9/11).You may remind me if I have forgotten something, but if it’s an event I know that I haven’t listed, I avoided listing it for a reason. Not that we shouldn’t care, but this is how much impact the Coronavirus did.

  • The fall of the Roman Empire
  • The Crusades
  • The Bubonic Plague
  • The Invention of the Printing Press
  • Columbus’s Voyages
  • The American Revolution
  • The French Revolution
  • The American Civil War
  • The Invention of the Light Bulb
  • The Panama Canal
  • The Sinking of the Titanic
  • World War I (and related events)
  • The Great Depression
  • World War II (and related events)
  • The Moon Landing
  • The Invention of Computers
I would tie in the invention of computer with the rise of the Internet, which obviously took place in the 1990s and caused an economic boom, at least in the United States.
 
Starting today, more businesses are being allowed to open back up in my state, albeit with restrictions that include wearing face masks and observing social distancing. My husband was finally able to go back to work yesterday to prep for reopening. He works at a local gaming store and they marked the floor with 6ft grid lines and removed all the tables since they won't be able to hold tournaments for now.
 
As someone who lives down here, yes, they do close Disneyland during natural disasters.

They re-open when earthquakes hit but other than that, they've never had a hard closure due to natural disasters. It's only ever been closed a handful of times, which was due to things like 9-11, COVID-19, etc..

Unless you mean Disney World.
 
I honestly don't think Covid-19 is going to "go away"...and if it does, it will be replaced by something else. I think we're just at that point where the population is on the brink of something or another. Same could be said for the supply chain. It was strained to begin with. Of course, we could all be doing more to limit the spread of these things, and it would certainly help if scientific endeavors would stop being undercut for political gain. But...yeah...I think this is just how we are now. I don't really see 2021 or even 2022 being a "magical number" for everything just being "fine".
Yep. The fact that this pandemic is changing society is probably worse than the pandemic itself. Eventually we will have a cure for COVID-19. But what was "normal" I don't think will ever completely return. I think we'll have to get used to a new normal, whatever that's going to be.

Yep, this is the part that kinda concerns me the most. We’re basically living in a point in time where the social norms and culture is changing heavily right as we speak.
 
They re-open when earthquakes hit but other than that, they've never had a hard closure due to natural disasters. It's only ever been closed a handful of times, which was due to things like 9-11, COVID-19, etc..

Unless you mean Disney World.

Woops I meant Disney World, sorry. Yeah they close Disney World every time there's a bad enough hurricane and that was what I was referring to.
 
Woops I meant Disney World, sorry. Yeah they close Disney World every time there's a bad enough hurricane and that was what I was referring to.

And I was referring to Disneyland California (the original Disney park). Yeah, despite being in earthquake territory and other times it has closed, it wasn’t closed for an extended period of time (like a month or longer) before 2020. And it’s not even the state government’s decision. It was Disney that made that decision.

The most shocking decision is what’s happening to the Summer Olympics.

I read some earlier posts about how the Chinese are getting blamed and how people are discriminating against them. I have to say, this doesn’t change the way I view China. I’ll still eat Chinese food, and I’m still interested into Kung Fu. That, and I still like the Chinese theme. WWII is over. The Cold War is over. We don’t need to hate other cultures for what some other country did. It’s only the government that I don’t like (hence that second part of my signature).
 
I am really sad and worried about this situation, people are dying, tensions are rising, and I already thought the world was filled with enough crap and hatred. I feel like the coronavirus is almost like a physical manifestation of how messed up the world is. Only, it’s making people gravely ill and killing them... not to mention, it’s halting the productivity of the world to a standstill and could cause recessions, and poor countries without good healthcare could become affected even greater when it comes to people’s health.

I hate how people are blaming Asians (especially Chinese) and terrorizing them, attacking them, even going as far as stabbing, shooting them!? People are disgusting and stupid, and racist! I’m so angry and disgusted when I hear about it. I hate how the president of the US is handling this situation too, he doesn’t care about people’s lives in his country, he cares only about his image and reputation, and he doesn’t give a single care to what happens to the people. He doesn’t care if millions of people die, as long as he can remain in power, and he keeps making up lies and distractions so that people won’t blame him for being so careless.

Sorry for being such a pessimist... I just hate living in a world with all these awful things, like racism, war, conflict, and hatred. And now there’s a lethal disease pandemic to top it off.

Sorry for ranting and being like this too. I needed to let it out. I’m sorry. But I also want to say, I wish the best for people. I really do. I wish the best for the affected people in this situation and I really hope we can all make it out okay. I still will keep hope in my heart and never abandon it.
 
I am really sad and worried about this situation, people are dying, tensions are rising, and I already thought the world was filled with enough crap and hatred. I feel like the coronavirus is almost like a physical manifestation of how messed up the world is. Only, it’s making people gravely ill and killing them... not to mention, it’s halting the productivity of the world to a standstill and could cause recessions, and poor countries without good healthcare could become affected even greater when it comes to people’s health.

I hate how people are blaming Asians (especially Chinese) and terrorizing them, attacking them, even going as far as stabbing, shooting them!? People are disgusting and stupid, and racist! I’m so angry and disgusted when I hear about it. I hate how the president of the US is handling this situation too, he doesn’t care about people’s lives in his country, he cares only about his image and reputation, and he doesn’t give a single care to what happens to the people. He doesn’t care if millions of people die, as long as he can remain in power, and he keeps making up lies and distractions so that people won’t blame him for being so careless.

Sorry for being such a pessimist... I just hate living in a world with all these awful things, like racism, war, conflict, and hatred. And now there’s a lethal disease pandemic to top it off.

Sorry for ranting and being like this too. I needed to let it out. I’m sorry. But I also want to say, I wish the best for people. I really do. I wish the best for the affected people in this situation and I really hope we can all make it out okay. I still will keep hope in my heart and never abandon it.
To be honest, after how politically tense of a year 2016 was (mainly referring to the context of me being an American here, but I am aware that other crazy political events happened that year in the rest of the world, most notably the United Kingdom voting to leave the European Union), I didn't think that politically, things could get any worse, but I really feel like 2020 and this virus outbreak has 2016 definitely beat.

That being said, I definitely want Donald Trump gone from the White House. In my personal opinion, Trump losing re-election is almost certain-unemployment is now at the highest level since 1936, right when we were coming out of the Great Depression. Four years earlier, in 1932, Herbert Hoover lost re-election to Franklin D. Roosevelt in one of the biggest landslide defeats for an incumbent president in American history. (The only two that were worse electoral college wise were William Howard Taft when he lost re-election to Woodrow Wilson in 1912, although that was largely due to a vote split with Theodore Roosevelt, and 1980, when Jimmy Carter lost re-election to Ronald Reagan, although Roosevelt defeated Hoover by a much larger margin in the popular vote in 1932 than Reagan did towards Carter in 1980) Yes, FDR did manage to get re-elected (in an even larger landslide) in 1936, but this was largely because the doldrums of the Depression had been blamed on Hoover and the other Republican politicians that had been associated with the Hoover administration, along with the fact that the New Deal programs were still being passed by the end of Franklin D. Roosevelt's first term.

Donald Trump's supporters will repeatedly insist that there is no way Joe Biden can defeat him. But when the economy gets bad, and we are now in the worst recession since the Great Depression, surpassing the Great Recession of 2007-2009 in that regard, the American public blames the crisis on you. Fairly or unfairly, this is how it goes. (And in Trump's case, I do think it's fair, because it's pretty clear that in 2020 so far, he has massively mishandled the crisis, and in my personal opinion, the worst handling of a virus pandemic of any president in United States history) Since at least Herbert Hoover's landslide re-election defeat to Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932, any time the economy tanks under a Republican president, a Democrat gets voted in. Not only did this happen when we went from Hoover to Roosevelt, but it similarly happened in the 1992 election when George H.W. Bush lost re-election to Bill Clinton, and in the 2008 election, when after two terms of the administration of George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush's son (the second Bush was term-limited because of the Twenty-Second Amendment), a Democrat did win the election-Barack Obama. (Perhaps Jimmy Carter's defeat of Gerald Ford in 1976 can count, because the economy was pretty bad during most of the 1970s and had gotten bad before Richard Nixon's resignation from the Watergate scandal in 1974, as the 1973 oil crisis had hit that year, but Carter's win is largely considered to have happened as a reaction against Watergate, because as he was governor of Georgia, Jimmy Carter was able to successfully separate himself from the scandal and portray himself as an outsider to politics in Washington, D.C., and Ford had been greatly hurt by his pardon of Nixon)

There is one unfortunate realization I have made, though, during the coronavirus pandemic: even if the American voters this November vote out Donald Trump in favor of Joe Biden, I can't imagine that the racism Asians, especially Chinese people, have experienced here in the United States will go away. One thing I've unfortunately noticed about Americans is that anything, big or small, can bring out their racist tendencies: in the case of Asians anyway, this can be seen in concerns about the recent economic rise of China, and Japan before that, and with other issues related to countries in East Asia, such as the Toyota unintended acceleration recall of 2009-2011.
 
In my personal opinion, Trump losing re-election is almost certain
I don't want this thread to get too far derailed by discussing the political ramifications of COVID-19, but you're forgetting there's still five and a half months of brutal mudslinging and social media disinformation to go, and most Americans are pretty gullible. Trump is going to try to pin this all on China, and many people are going to go along with that. It's pretty rich that he's blaming China for downplaying the severity of the coronavirus when he did exactly the same thing, but he's never cared about being a total hypocrite in the past.

Even if Trump loses, he's almost certainly not going to concede and go away quietly, and his supporters are definitely not going away quietly. Just look at how his supporters behave when protesting the shutdown orders. We can only hope they don't get violent if things don't go their way in November. The U.S. is currently fighting two major diseases: COVID-19 and white nationalism, and I'm not sure which one is more dangerous long-term.
 
There is one unfortunate realization I have made, though, during the coronavirus pandemic: even if the American voters this November vote out Donald Trump in favor of Joe Biden, I can't imagine that the racism Asians, especially Chinese people, have experienced here in the United States will go away. One thing I've unfortunately noticed about Americans is that anything, big or small, can bring out their racist tendencies: in the case of Asians anyway, this can be seen in concerns about the recent economic rise of China, and Japan before that, and with other issues related to countries in East Asia, such as the Toyota unintended acceleration recall of 2009-2011.

I also speculate that even if the Democrats win every chamber in Congress and the Presidency, their win would be meaningless. While they would fight the and get the economy back to work, most of their positions on many issues might be grounds for rebellion. They would expect that everybody follows their laws to get their processes working. Instead, they would be met with extremely negative reception that would result in defiance and rebellion from citizens (especially from the conservatives). Hence why I would say it’s meaningless.

Why do I speculate that? Because the Democrats have gone so far to the left well past the point of sanity. Some of the issues, their positions would make tensions worse, not better. And others, whatever they’re fighting against has been deeply rooted in American culture so much that any change is going to cause chaos. The Republicans would face the same reckoning if Roe v Wade gets overturned or if any welfare program gets repealed. Sure they would win, but the lack of support shows that it’s meaningless.

Even if Trump loses, he's almost certainly not going to concede and go away quietly, and his supporters are definitely not going away quietly. Just look at how his supporters behave when protesting the shutdown orders. We can only hope they don't get violent if things don't go their way in November. The U.S. is currently fighting two major diseases: COVID-19 and white nationalism, and I'm not sure which one is more dangerous long-term.
Between COVID-19 and white nationalism, COVID-19 isn’t as dangerous, and is going away sooner. But there always has been, and always will be, evil in our country.

You are right to be concerned about the right wingers potentially repeating the French Revolution if Trump loses re-election. They’ve been so frustrated that they would go crazy. A question I have to ask is, would you rather let the Sith hold control for another four years, or would you rather awaken the beast and let it take control for 80 years? Personally, I would rebel against dictatorship if that were ever to come, but I wouldn’t cross the moral event horizon to get what I want, something that election rioters would do.

I admit being guilty of going off-topic, but I wanted to make a connection stating how significant COVID-19 is compared to many historical events. I never lived through something that big. I’m so glad that I haven’t contracted the disease. I don’t think I’m asymptomatic, but I did have episodes that made me think I have it, but luckily, it was allergies.
 
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My dad invited thIs random young couple into our yard so our dogs could play. They stood right next to each other and they didn’t wear masks. Apparently he “forgot that this was going on.”
 
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