Coronavirus

The selfishness of these idiots protesting is ridiculous - it's even spread to our country now (Hyde Park morons I'm looking at you). Oh, I'm sorry you have to stay inside for a mere fraction of your life to keep vulnerable people safe, help stop the spread of this virus and out of respect for those key workers and care workers who are working their asses off to keep the world going and keep your family members safe.
I've seen such 'me me me' attitudes lately I can't even believe how self-centred some people are. There are people losing their lives, losing family, losing their jobs, houses and livelihoods and you're mad because you can't sunbathe at the park??! Don't expect the frickin doctors to care for you or your family when you end up in ICU with COVID because you've been an absolute tool waltzing around like COVID magnets.

Ooooh sorry, I've had enough of idiots this week and needed to get that one off my chest.
 
I’m starting to wonder. While it’s necessary to contain the virus to slow the spread, is support for freedom really declining as the new generations take over? Before this COVID-19 thing, there was a poll that Americans are supporting economic freedom, and personal freedom, much less than ever before. I wonder why people don’t like freedom anymore, even if Coronavirus never happened.
 
This senior made a huge post on instagram complaining about her school work and calling out our governor for "letting them down". While it really sucks for the seniors and it's valid to be upset that they are missing huge milestones, the tone of her post was very whiny and selfish. Basically, she wants school to be canceled for this last month because the seniors have been through enough. I literally just rolled my eyes at how tone deaf her post was. Like yes, school is tough but if you think high school is hard, wait until you're at college slaving away in the library until you lose all track of time all over a 7 page paper. It also bothered me because she's so privileged (not saying im not) and there are families that are being impacted way worse than her. Finally, her mom works works at the hospital and has moved out of the house and this girl continues to go out and hang with friends, you would think that if someone in her family is literally on the front lines in our state she would feel more inclined to stay at home.

Also, the governor she was "calling out" has been handling this so well, Vermont basically has fewer new cases each day and they just allowed for testing for anyone regardless of if you feel sick or not.
 
I don't want this thread to get too far derailed by discussing the political ramifications of COVID-19, but you're forgetting there's still five and a half months of brutal mudslinging and social media disinformation to go, and most Americans are pretty gullible. Trump is going to try to pin this all on China, and many people are going to go along with that. It's pretty rich that he's blaming China for downplaying the severity of the coronavirus when he did exactly the same thing, but he's never cared about being a total hypocrite in the past.

Even if Trump loses, he's almost certainly not going to concede and go away quietly, and his supporters are definitely not going away quietly. Just look at how his supporters behave when protesting the shutdown orders. We can only hope they don't get violent if things don't go their way in November. The U.S. is currently fighting two major diseases: COVID-19 and white nationalism, and I'm not sure which one is more dangerous long-term.
It's sad that the two are seemingly so interconnected (COVID-19 and white nationalism) with one another, and arguably at one of the worst times so for the country.

You are absolutely correct that mudslinging between the Trump and Biden campaigns will be happening between now and November 3, and it is true that for that reason, alone, we can't be certain of what the election results will be. Donald Trump has made it very clear that the thought of losing re-election is something he will stop at all costs-even more so than with incumbent presidents of the past when running for second terms. This became clear first when Trump promoted a conspiracy theory over Joe Biden and his son, Hunter, in Ukraine (and, of course, that bogus investigation he attempted with the assistance of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky failed, but the attempt still got Trump impeached), and even more so now with Trump trying to promote a conspiracy theory yet again in "Obamagate" (previously known as "spygate" starting back when it was first referenced by Donald Trump in his Twitter account in 2018). The idea of losing, especially when Trump always talks about "winning", is a huge blow to his ego, because let's face it, Trump is easily the most egotistical and narcissistic president to have ever held the office.

I will say that I don't believe China's government handled the coronavirus well (at least early on), but the problem is that once it reaches United States borders, it becomes an American problem. Even if the Chinese government didn't handle the virus well, that doesn't give Donald Trump an excuse to poorly handle it within the US.

And, unfortunately, I already know that you're correct about concerns about what Trump's response could be if he loses the election, since there were similar fears months ahead of 2016 in the event he could lose to Hillary Clinton. Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly warned that if Donald Trump loses the election to Joe Biden by a very narrow margin, he may refuse to concede at all. Unfortunately, the military would likely have to remove Trump from office if he refused to leave come Inauguration Day 2021. We can also safely assume that Trump supporters would riot against a Biden win, claiming it would "only be fair" after anti-Trump protests happened following the 2016 election. Protests against shutdown orders, especially in states with Democratic governors, from Trump supporters, seem to only be an ominous sign in my opinion.
 
I also speculate that even if the Democrats win every chamber in Congress and the Presidency, their win would be meaningless. While they would fight the and get the economy back to work, most of their positions on many issues might be grounds for rebellion. They would expect that everybody follows their laws to get their processes working. Instead, they would be met with extremely negative reception that would result in defiance and rebellion from citizens (especially from the conservatives). Hence why I would say it’s meaningless.

Why do I speculate that? Because the Democrats have gone so far to the left well past the point of sanity. Some of the issues, their positions would make tensions worse, not better. And others, whatever they’re fighting against has been deeply rooted in American culture so much that any change is going to cause chaos. The Republicans would face the same reckoning if Roe v Wade gets overturned or if any welfare program gets repealed. Sure they would win, but the lack of support shows that it’s meaningless.


Between COVID-19 and white nationalism, COVID-19 isn’t as dangerous, and is going away sooner. But there always has been, and always will be, evil in our country.

You are right to be concerned about the right wingers potentially repeating the French Revolution if Trump loses re-election. They’ve been so frustrated that they would go crazy. A question I have to ask is, would you rather let the Sith hold control for another four years, or would you rather awaken the beast and let it take control for 80 years? Personally, I would rebel against dictatorship if that were ever to come, but I wouldn’t cross the moral event horizon to get what I want, something that election rioters would do.

I admit being guilty of going off-topic, but I wanted to make a connection stating how significant COVID-19 is compared to many historical events. I never lived through something that big. I’m so glad that I haven’t contracted the disease. I don’t think I’m asymptomatic, but I did have episodes that made me think I have it, but luckily, it was allergies.
I think it's a far stretch to say that a hypothetical Joe Biden victory in the presidential election would lead to a rebellion in the United States. Conservatism, in many ways, is on the decline in the United States-it is an ideology that is heavily white, male, and Christian-and the US is on its way to becoming majority-minority before the end of the 2020s. If you really want to get down to it, since Donald Trump campaigned so heavily on immigration back during the 2016 election (and, of course, is doing so again for 2020), Trump's election victory in 2016, in many ways, has been described as a reaction-largely from caucasians-against the idea of the US becoming a majority-minority nation. Aside from those who are white, male, and heavily Christian (I'm not talking about Christians who wouldn't consider themselves very religious, such as not attending church very much, which would honestly include myself, and I'll admit, while I am a Christian personally, there is very little about the Bible as of late that I've honestly been taking to heart, but I digress), the Republican Party has faced a real weakness in recent decades, hence why George W. Bush's re-election over John Kerry in 2004 remains the last time the GOP nominee won the popular vote in a presidential election since Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, lost re-election to Bill Clinton in 1992. Two of the last Republican presidents-George W. Bush and Donald Trump (in Bush's case, anyway, when he got elected to his first term in 2000)-lost the popular vote. Note that even though the electoral college has always been the way that the President of the United States has been elected, it is usually a rare event for the winner of a presidential election to lose the popular vote-before Bush in 2000 and Trump in 2016, the only other times it happened were in 1824, with John Quincy Adams's election (and Adams didn't lead in the electoral vote either, rather, it was that none of the four candidates in the election, which also included Andrew Jackson, William H. Crawford, and Henry Clay, won in the electoral college either, and the House ultimately voted Adams in, largely because Clay was Speaker of the House under outgoing President James Monroe, and Clay feared Jackson, who led in both the electoral and popular vote, as Andrew Jackson infamously would threaten to kill anyone that bothered him), Rutherford B. Hayes's election in 1876 (which, of course, he only defeated Samuel J. Tilden because of the Compromise of 1877), and Benjamin Harrison's election in 1888. It has been stated numerous times that eventually, a party winning the presidency via being elected by the electoral college without the popular vote is not a sustainable trend for a political party in the future, especially when you consider that the United States is heading on this majority-minority path.

On top of this, I can't imagine that a Joe Biden administration would repress people who criticize the administration's actions, economy-related or not. No one wants a return to John Adams's Alien and Sedition Acts. (Technically Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt brought them back in ways during the two World Wars, more so Wilson, although there is no World War that is about to take place, because if there was, we'd all be ceasing to exist) In some ways, you could say that the mentality seen way back at the end of the eighteenth century during the first Adams administration has been seen again under Donald Trump-anything that criticizes the Trump administration's actions since its inauguration in 2017 has been dismissed by the president as "fake news".

Also, Mica, on your points you said to Red Cat... It could be argued, ironically, that we would only be more likely to head to a dictatorship if something like the French Revolution happened here in the United States. Napoleon Bonaparte effectively became a French dictator/emperor in 1804 all because of the French Revolution of 1789-1799. While I am aware that small-governmental figures of the time in the US did admire the revolution in France (most notably Thomas Jefferson, who would go on to be elected president in 1800, although, like 1824, this was another election that went to the House, because of problems with the running mate system in which Jefferson tied in electoral votes with his running mate, Aaron Burr), no one in their right mind, Democrat or Republican, wants someone like Napoleon leading the United States, especially when you consider we've been the sole superpower in the world since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. (Of course, it's been pretty clear that we may not be a sole superpower anymore, as China has been rising in power in recent years, and arguably, with its invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Russia has been having a rise of its own again under Vladimir Putin)

If we're going to use France as an example, the closest thing I can think could happen is that Joe Biden, or at least members of his administration, may urge a more "Jupiterian presidency" like Emmanuel Macron suggested while running for, and after being elected, its president around 2016-2017. Nevertheless, there is a lot about Macron I'd argue differs from Biden.
 
Also, Mica, on your points you said to Red Cat... It could be argued, ironically, that we would only be more likely to head to a dictatorship if something like the French Revolution happened here in the United States. Napoleon Bonaparte effectively became a French dictator/emperor in 1804 all because of the French Revolution of 1789-1799. While I am aware that small-governmental figures of the time in the US did admire the revolution in France (most notably Thomas Jefferson, who would go on to be elected president in 1800, although, like 1824, this was another election that went to the House, because of problems with the running mate system in which Jefferson tied in electoral votes with his running mate, Aaron Burr), no one in their right mind, Democrat or Republican, wants someone like Napoleon leading the United States, especially when you consider we've been the sole superpower in the world since the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. (Of course, it's been pretty clear that we may not be a sole superpower anymore, as China has been rising in power in recent years, and arguably, with its invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Russia has been having a rise of its own again under Vladimir Putin)

That’s why I choose the Sith over the Beast. If the Sith wins, that would anger people that voted against them, but the idea of the government being under attack would scare everyone, even those who oppose the government. Of course, the Beast may fail, and would be treated as war criminals thereafter.

As for talking about whether or not political ties to COVID-19 is on-topic, it’s unfortunate that both have been tied. Both sides are politicizing this because of the election, and whether or not this hurts Trump’s political career, people are already fed up with Trump and are trying everything to ruin his career. COVID-19 might be the last nail in the coffin.
 
That’s why I choose the Sith over the Beast. If the Sith wins, that would anger people that voted against them, but the idea of the government being under attack would scare everyone, even those who oppose the government. Of course, the Beast may fail, and would be treated as war criminals thereafter.

As for talking about whether or not political ties to COVID-19 is on-topic, it’s unfortunate that both have been tied. Both sides are politicizing this because of the election, and whether or not this hurts Trump’s political career, people are already fed up with Trump and are trying everything to ruin his career. COVID-19 might be the last nail in the coffin.
Donald Trump has already had numerous controversies happen during his presidency that made his re-election doubtful even before the coronavirus pandemic, IMO, especially when you consider that his victory in the 2016 election hinged on close victories in the Rust Belt states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Trump is the first president running for re-election following impeachment-Andrew Johnson wasn't nominated by the Democrats in the 1868 election and Bill Clinton was term-limited due to the Twenty-Second Amendment in the 2000 election (and, if you count Richard Nixon, since it was certain he was not only going to be impeached, but removed from office due to the coverup of the Watergate scandal in 1974, Nixon would've also been term-limited for the same reason and couldn't have run for a third term in 1976). Unlike the Clinton impeachment, or even most of the polls taken on impeachment prior to Nixon's resignation (Johnson's impeachment obviously happened at a time long before opinion polls existed, as those didn't start becoming commonplace until around the time Franklin D. Roosevelt was in office), the majority of polls taken after the revelations of the transcript consisting of the phone conversation from July of Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky caused Trump's impeachment to be favored by the majority of Americans. On top of this, his strategy of using conspiracy theories against Democratic opponents to distract-seen in his heavy focus on a conspiracy theory on the Bidens and the so-called "Obamagate scandal" conspiracy theory now-have also practically been seen by the American public for what they are-distraction tactics, and attempts at deflection. My point is that if MI, PA, and WI hadn't gone Republican in 2016, we would be saying "President Clinton" for a second time rather than "President Trump"-and that fact, especially when you consider that Trump's loss of the popular vote in the 2016 election amounted to nearly three million votes-the largest discrepancy in the popular vote ever when the loser of the popular vote still won the election because of the electoral college. Percentage-wise, Donald Trump's share of the popular vote in 2016 was actually lower than what Mitt Romney had got four years earlier in 2012 against incumbent President Barack Obama.

Also on Trump's impeachment, any time impeachment happens, the party in control of the presidency tends to lose the following election. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were both Democrats, and Republicans-Ulysses S. Grant and George W. Bush, respectively-won the elections of 1868 and 2000. Again, if you were to count Richard Nixon, since Nixon was again, undoubtedly going to not only be impeached, but removed from office because of Watergate in 1974, and Nixon was, of course, a Republican, Democrat Jimmy Carter won the 1976 election. The precedents of how Grant and Bush won the elections in 1868 and 2000, and really how Carter too won in 1976, didn't spell good signs for the Trump campaign in 2020.

I am aware that COVID-19 will be a bigger election issue than impeachment, because it's more recent and obviously has gotten more attention, and on top of that, the United States has been leading in coronavirus cases of all countries in the world, and it's been a deadly disease, especially for those immunocompromised. Obviously, the COVID-19 pandemic is a more pressing issue and is obviously a far more deadly issue than Donald Trump's impeachment. But nothing can change the fact that Trump was indeed impeached, and became only the third president in history to do so. Again, because Andrew Johnson wasn't nominated by the Democratic Party in the 1868 election, and Bill Clinton was term-limited in 2000, Donald Trump is making history by, in 2020, becoming the first impeached president to be running for a second term.

As a side note, there were other matters not on Trump's side historically, either-before Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama, the only other time in American history that there were three back-to-back two-term presidencies were those of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe. John Quincy Adams followed Monroe, but he lost re-election to Andrew Jackson in 1828. Also, with Clinton, Bush, and Obama, that also meant that there were eight years of each party in control-eight years of a Democratic president under Bill Clinton, then eight years of a Republican president under George W. Bush, and then eight years of a Democratic president under Barack Obama. The only other time a similar pattern to this existed was when we had eight years of Republican rule from 1953 to 1961 under Dwight D. Eisenhower, then eight years of combined Democratic rule under John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson (as, of course, Kennedy was assassinated in 1963), and then eight years of combined Republican rule again under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. (As, again, Nixon resigned in 1974 from Watergate) After the Ford administration, there was one term of Democratic rule under Jimmy Carter, but in the 1980 election, Carter lost re-election to Ronald Reagan.
 
Even though my state is slowing starting to open things back up, the company I work for notified us all yesterday that they would rather be extra cautious. We're all working from home right now and the work is getting done, so they are in no rush to open up the offices again and put people at risk. I appreciate their concern.

If nothing changes for the worse, the earliest they'll open the doors is early September. Even then, they will only allow about 10% of employees to return who do more hands on work, like processing mail and checks. Then, they'll start redoing the layout and construction to allow for social distancing in the hallways and between desks before allowing more people to return in phases.

It's going to be a lengthy process and I don't really see myself getting back to a somewhat normal life until next year. I've been managing to do my job with stuff I had on hand at home, but after 2 months I'm missing all the nice ergonomic supplies we had in the office. I guess it's time to splurge on a new chair and some other things to make my makeshift home office more livable for the long term.
 
I forgot to mention that the 2020 Summer Olympics has been delayed, 2020 might be the first year since the Player’s Strike that MLB won’t have a World Series, and unemployment is going up. If all of that is happening all at once, that tells me something.

I decided to compile a list of events (based on significance and impact) that are on par with COVID-19, both social and technological. The Holocaust is clearly one of them, but events like 9/11 isn’t (especially if they were more minor than 9/11).You may remind me if I have forgotten something, but if it’s an event I know that I haven’t listed, I avoided listing it for a reason. Not that we shouldn’t care, but this is how much impact the Coronavirus did.

  • The fall of the Roman Empire
  • The Crusades
  • The Bubonic Plague
  • The Invention of the Printing Press
  • Columbus’s Voyages
  • The American Revolution
  • The French Revolution
  • The American Civil War
  • The Invention of the Light Bulb
  • The Panama Canal
  • The Sinking of the Titanic
  • World War I (and related events)
  • The Great Depression
  • World War II (and related events)
  • The Moon Landing
  • The Invention of Computers

I’ve came to another realization. In order for an event to be as significant as the events I listed, it will need to change the world (or a nation) significantly. Like very significantly. The fall of the Roman Empire, destroyed a massive empire that lasted for centuries. The printing press, made books cheaper and expanded knowledge. The Civil War, changed both the North and South forever as new amendments promoting human rights were ratified. The Great Depression, it has proven that a larger government is more necessary for the United States and monitoring citizens. The invention of the computer, brought the world into becoming a more technologically advanced planet. I’m sure the Coronavirus Pandemic is going to make changes this big. Even some of the more significant events not listed has brought changes that we still live with today, but not at this scale. Some events I did forget to list were Marco Polo’s expeditions, the Protestant Reformation, and the Industrial Revolution.

One thing I speculate about the post-COVID era is that America will no longer be the most powerful nation in the world, like it once was. Even globalism, which helped make the world a better place, might see its demise.
 
Here where I live, total (official) death toll got to 20k last night. This is still a rising number, with more than 10% of the population infected (again, counting only official numbers - scientists estimate that the real number could be 10 or 15x higher).

Meanwhile, the "powers in place" are pushing hard for people to go back to normal. This will be biggest human catastrophe in this country since the Portuguese and the Spanish came in and destroyed the native people.
 
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my muscles in my arms and legs REALLY HURT everytime I move and my breathing is getting weird, do I go see a doctor? I'm scared and don't know if my parents will take me.
 
Here where I live, total (official) death till got to 20k last night. This is still a rising number, with more than 10% of the population infected (again, counting only official numbers - scientists estimate that the real number could be 10 or 15x higher).

Meanwhile, the "powers in place" are pushing hard for people to go back to normal
Yeah, same here. It's a massive ****show.
 
my muscles in my arms and legs REALLY HURT everytime I move and my breathing is getting weird, do I go see a doctor? I'm scared and don't know if my parents will take me.
Is there any kind of number you can call to get some instructions? My nephew's father had Corona, and for what he's said, he felt massive muscular and articulation pain, chest pain when he was breathing and had short breath. Also had high fever and headaches.

From what he said, it lasted for about 5 or 6 days. He went to a doctor but they couldn't test him, although they assumed he had Corona because of all the symptoms.

Please, take care of yourself. Hope it's just a cold and that you get well soon.
 
Is there any kind of number you can call to get some instructions? My nephew's father had Corona, and for what he's said, he felt massive muscular and articulation pain, chest pain when he was breathing and had short breath. Also had high fever and headaches.

From what he said, it lasted for about 5 or 6 days. He went to a doctor but they couldn't test him, although they assumed he had Corona because of all the symptoms.

Please, take care of yourself. Hope it's just a cold and that you get well soon.
I don't know if there's anything like that in my area, but I can check
this feels so terrible that I haven't slept all night and honestly want to cry
 
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I don't really understand the mindset of half the people in this country. It's so easy just to do things the right way...and then we can be done with this sooner rather than later. I mean...here in NJ, people want to blame everything on Governor Murphy. Which is ridiculous. He's actually doing a great job with slowly opening things back up in a safe way.

So, you had these people complaining about the parks and beaches being closed entirely. Murphy opened them in time for the summer. Now they have these signs at parks and beaches that simply remind people that they should wear masks wherever possible. And people are losing their minds over them. It's nuts. People are just so desperate to act like the victim, I guess...that they are taking personal offence to these signs that are nothing more than a friendly reminder to be safe. It's wild. How did half of the population ever get so entitled?

The comments are killing me. You have people posting things like "Now we have to wear masks in the forest? Ridiculous!" I mean...people just have no idea what they are even talking about anymore. Those signs specifically state that you should wear the masks at entrances, walkways, and other congested areas where you might see other people. It's not an order. It's a friendly reminder to be safe. It's no different than a sign that says "please don't litter". Actually...I take that back. It actually is different, because there are actual fines for littering. And there is no fine for failing to wear a mask. How are people getting angry about this? Why is this a thing that people waste their time being angry about? I don't get it.
 
I go back to work at the mall today and I’ve been dreading it. I haven’t been around so many people in forever and just going into the mall for my management meeting almost made me have an anxiety attack. I haven’t slept because I keep worrying about today and all the customers and the new polices and the returns and still having to make sales goals and being “on” and going back to my fake worksona that’s just so much energy/effort and how I’m always never good enough. I don’t wanna go. But I got denied unemployment and I’ve been selling stuff to get by. Out of stuff to sell.

All the other girls are so excited and I’ve been on the verge of tears all morning while looking for other jobs. I think it’s mostly because my job was overwhelming to begin with and now it’s even more so with the new procedures and...honestly, after being home so long, I get scared to leave my home. I’m not full-blown agoraphobic. But I get really on edge and emotional leaving my house.

Sorry. I had to get it off my chest somewhere and with all the people from work/the district I have added on various social media, not like I can voice my upset anywhere.
 
I go back to work at the mall today and I’ve been dreading it. I haven’t been around so many people in forever and just going into the mall for my management meeting almost made me have an anxiety attack. I haven’t slept because I keep worrying about today and all the customers and the new polices and the returns and still having to make sales goals and being “on” and going back to my fake worksona that’s just so much energy/effort and how I’m always never good enough. I don’t wanna go. But I got denied unemployment and I’ve been selling stuff to get by. Out of stuff to sell.

All the other girls are so excited and I’ve been on the verge of tears all morning while looking for other jobs. I think it’s mostly because my job was overwhelming to begin with and now it’s even more so with the new procedures and...honestly, after being home so long, I get scared to leave my home. I’m not full-blown agoraphobic. But I get really on edge and emotional leaving my house.

Sorry. I had to get it off my chest somewhere and with all the people from work/the district I have added on various social media, not like I can voice my upset anywhere.

I'm so sorry you're having such a rough time. I completely understand how you feel. I used to work in Customer Service but I got out because it was overwhelming to me, too. I have social anxiety and even just going to the office everyday and dealing with coworkers is enough to cause me a lot of stress. Despite its disadvantages, being able to work from home has honestly made me so much happier and more comfortable. The problem is that I know it's going to end one day and when I do have to finally go back into work and deal with people face-to-face again, I know I'm going to have a massive panic attack.

I'm glad that you're looking for another job, though. I hope that you can eventually find something that doesn't make you feel so miserable. Until then, feel free to vent anytime you need to.
 
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