Dear White People
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I'm pretty sure this goes without saying, but there are shows making fun of everything now. White people, black people, Spanish/Hispania/Hispanic/Latin/Mexican people, fandoms, and more.
I even remember an episode of, I think it was, Ed, Edd, and Eddy, where they were literally watching someone WATCH television. If that's not enough to indicate to people how much society has advanced and also turned into trash, I don't know what is.
That episode also aired more than 10 years ago I'm pretty sure.
I even remember an episode of, I think it was, Ed, Edd, and Eddy, where they were literally watching someone WATCH television. If that's not enough to indicate to people how much society has advanced and also turned into trash, I don't know what is.
That episode also aired more than 10 years ago I'm pretty sure.
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AndroGhostX
Gomen Ne...
While the shows' intentions are understandable... The title isn't. Not all whites (or any other races) are racists or hold certain streotypical views. If the title was "Dear Certain White People" or something like that, it wouldn't be offensive to whites, imo.
You obviously haven't watched it, it breaks a lot of stereotypes and exaggerates certain stereotypes too, it doesn't have have a clear agenda other than that racism is still alive, but it shows all different perspectives and takes on racism.
AndroGhostX
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No I understand the basis of the show! It's good that there is a show out there addressing racism in that matter! I was just talking about the title! Does it just address the racism that some whites inflict on that particular race? Or is it the whole spectrum involving all races? Because if it is the first then the title is relevant. It's actually an interesting title as it can draw curiousity to want to watch the show. I would understand if the title used if the setting was back in the old days where racism was law basically, but it appears to be a modern setting. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Antonio
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You can never judge a book by it's cover.
luna-melody
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Its been on my to do list haha
it seems really good, even though there's been a lot of controversy around it
it seems really good, even though there's been a lot of controversy around it
Dude same. I clicked on this thread thinking for sure there was some nasty drama going down lol
Good idea
I understand what you mean but I don't think I agree with what you're saying about the title. I am obviously a white person, and even though I have grown and learned about the horrible things I might have said or done as a kid (like dressing up as an Indian for Halloween), I still find myself checking myself a couple times a month. There are things as a white person I will never understand, the obvious being racial bias and profiling so I gotta "stay woke" as the kids say. I think all white people should definitely stay aware, no matter if they identify with being racist or not.
We all still have a lot to learn is basically what I'm saying.
ForgottenT
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As a Danish person I don't understand the whole self loathing, and "we gotta learn" bullcrap.
And dressing up as an Indian for halloween is not racist, our old national Christmas calendar had kids in black face dressed up in chocolate cream puffs, also known as "Neger boller" In Denmark (you can probably guess what the literal translation is), and I don't even see that as racist, because black face isn't inherently racist, and neither are chocolate cream puffs, and "Neger boller" is just old slang, it's from a different time.
Although us Danes in general are not PC at all.
Here's the video btw if anyone's interested.
Racism is not racism unless it's intended to be, racism is a term used for people who are trying to be hateful, not people accidentaly "triggering" someone, and people need to grow up and not get triggered by trivial crap, like costumes, makeup, hair styles, words, etc. Also not being "political correct" does not = Racism.
And dressing up as an Indian for halloween is not racist, our old national Christmas calendar had kids in black face dressed up in chocolate cream puffs, also known as "Neger boller" In Denmark (you can probably guess what the literal translation is), and I don't even see that as racist, because black face isn't inherently racist, and neither are chocolate cream puffs, and "Neger boller" is just old slang, it's from a different time.
Although us Danes in general are not PC at all.
Here's the video btw if anyone's interested.
Racism is not racism unless it's intended to be, racism is a term used for people who are trying to be hateful, not people accidentaly "triggering" someone, and people need to grow up and not get triggered by trivial crap, like costumes, makeup, hair styles, words, etc. Also not being "political correct" does not = Racism.
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AndroGhostX
Gomen Ne...
I also agree that I don't see how racism or the topic is a "learning" thing. And I completely agree with your last paragraph! In that sense people are wrong to get triggered by the title. So... Sorry...
Antonio
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Usually when people do black face, it is used to mock African Americans even if it's just for fun or "wasn't intended to be". Just because your action isn't intended to be racist doesn't mean it's not racist. I do agree that people around the world get offended over bull**** like the "your prom dress isn't my culture" meme but saying black facing someone isn't racist, really?
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ForgottenT
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Yes really.
Black face - make-up used by a non-black performer playing a black role.
It's not inherently racist, you gotta look at each case.
Jynx from Pokemon for example, never meant to be offensive, it was a pokemon most likely inspired by Ganguro, and Ganguro isn't racist either, they like the look.
Do I think they look ridicolous? absolutely, do I think it's racist, not at all.
Would I be mad if black people dressed up as white people and did comedy skits at my expense, not really no, I'd actually like to see that lol.
In the end as I said I don't find many thing offensive, I got thick skin, and I think more people should have, life is too short to be offended every step of the way.
Antonio
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Ok, people get offended over different things at different levels (1-10 how offended scale), even if it's stupid or just not true. Like for example, the fact that you are stating that black face isn't racist really bothers me as a history lover. How educated are you about black face? Did you just Google the word black face and assume it was some beauty tip? Black Face was used in the late 19th century and early 20th century as a way to mock African Americans. They would cover their faces black and try to impersonate/mock African Americans in an offensive, inaccurate, disrespectful, and racist manner. This era of history was extremely racist towards African Americans and Chinese Immigrants compared to today's standard. You may believe it's not racist but their intentions was. So, please research this topic rather than believe it was just some costume.
Now, you can being racist without doing it on purpose. It's more of a matter of what is being said and the context of the situation. Of course, if you meant to be racist then ya being racist. If you don't mean to be racist but what you said is racist, you should apologize for being racist and say you didn't know because the statement is still racist.
To sum things up, caucasian people would black face themselves and mock/belittle African Americans for entertainment purposes. Things can be racist even if you didn't mean it. Period.
P.S. I showed the message to Civics (history teacher) your message cause I was in her class and she said "that's wrong". She also agrees with my statement.
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ForgottenT
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Well I appreciate that you like history, and that you're honest.
And you're right, different people find different things racist/offensive/bothersome, often on a scale as you mentioned.
I am indeed from a culture that have really thick skin when it comes to this stuff, and certainly don't see that kind of stuff through the same lens as many in America for example.
So I'll agree.
- Blackface almost certainly started as a way of comedy at the cost of blacks.
- Many if not most of those performances even I would agree is racist, and offensive.
- Yes you can certainly say stuff that people will take as racism intended or not, but there's the problem, different people find different things offensive, describing racism in that fashion makes the term almost meaningless because anyone can find just about anything racist, especially when you bring in different cultures, which is why I don't like describing racism as something that can be done without ill intent, to me that would just count as being offensive.
- And again yes all that stuff certainly happened.
I'll disagree.
- I don't find blackface racist because it's just makeup, not everyone puts it on to belittle black people, as I mentioned some people put it on because they genuinly like the look, and I can under no circumstance see that "act" as being racist, in my opinion, even if I find it ridiculous.
When it all comes down to it, I think we agree on mostly everything, but I see different things as racist to you, and I don't get easily bothered, by what other people say, do, or think unless it directly harms someone, and I don't consider "triggering" to be harmful, basically the petty stuff is mudding the waters of the actual importants stuff, like the police being more aggresive to black guys, to me that's an important topic of racism that have actual consequences, and needs to be dealt with, not wether Bieber is wearing a certain haircut, or some Asian, or white girl dresses up as Sombra from Overwatch.
Essentially we have put our lines in the sand at different levels, at least that's the way I see it, you can tell me if I'm wrong, but yeah I think I've said mostly everything I had to say about these few topics.
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"This show on netflix is so underrated and funny, and shows all different views on race issues."
This is the topic mate, well at least part of it, if you do not like these topics you're on the wrong thread I'm afraid.
