I never replied to you, I'm not sure why you're acting like I was trying to debate you?
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moon_child
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Oh and I forgot that now you’re able to invite villagers from the campsite even if you have a full town. That’s one of the best issues they addressed. In NL, your campsite is basically useless once you have a full town.
We want so much from Animal Crossing as a franchise, and on the whole, it delivers a staggering amount of gorgeous content in a satisfying way. It has made this horrifying pandemic feel slightly less lonely and grey.
I do resent being forced to pay to access my friends online and I struggle to supervise my young kids to go to NH playgroups with their friends, but I am still SO GRATEFUL that NH launched when it did. It has given me an incredible morale boost over these months.
Take a break in order to catch your breath again, but I am glad you’ll be sticking around this forum, because you’re exactly the type of person TBT is for, and your passion fits in perfectly here.
Be happy knowing so many people wanted to talk with you about this!
I do resent being forced to pay to access my friends online and I struggle to supervise my young kids to go to NH playgroups with their friends, but I am still SO GRATEFUL that NH launched when it did. It has given me an incredible morale boost over these months.
Take a break in order to catch your breath again, but I am glad you’ll be sticking around this forum, because you’re exactly the type of person TBT is for, and your passion fits in perfectly here.
Be happy knowing so many people wanted to talk with you about this!
starlightsong
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i didn't say you were? i meant that i was about to start debating you by making a big long list and decided to try saying something less confrontational, but i guess it came out in a confrontational way anyway unintentionally. sorry, i probably should've said nothing, it's just that i see a lot of people both on this forum and other sites lately acting like NL is lacking in content and people who love it are only looking at it with nostalgia goggles when that really isn't the case at all.
i do feel like people here are trying to debate the OP which it doesn't seem like they wanted, though. i know if i made a thread like this i would only be meaning it as a space to vent.
rayraysparkles
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I think you're right about the anxiety level in the game. I've seen some people spending loads of hours resetting because they don't even like how it is to begin. We wanted so much freedom, and now we have it, I'm not sure it's good for many people! There's so much online about making your islands look amazing, people can be so mean about stuff, you feel like you have to play the same as other people, but none of this is true or does us any good! Definitely take a break. I try not to compare to other people either, and I've just restarted so now I'm even further behind! But i think a big part of it is simply we're all sitting at home unable to lead normal lives right now and everything seems to be done in a rush. Normally people would perhaps play a couple of hours after work etc, people would be going out to do more, but people can't and i think it's lead to some crazy amount of perfecting something that i don't think it's possible to do so, especially with so little content out atm!
Datamining has uncovered a lot of new things in the pipe work, and even in NL you still had to unlock and upgrade things you never got it all at once. It's the same here. There's so much missing and it will come, and i think people will find they have to constantly redo stuff as new things are released so i do think all this crazy activity is a little nuts. But people play how they want and that's fine
Just go and relax and don't think about it for a week or two. See how you feel then
Datamining has uncovered a lot of new things in the pipe work, and even in NL you still had to unlock and upgrade things you never got it all at once. It's the same here. There's so much missing and it will come, and i think people will find they have to constantly redo stuff as new things are released so i do think all this crazy activity is a little nuts. But people play how they want and that's fine
Just go and relax and don't think about it for a week or two. See how you feel then
Agree 100%! Just to add to the list:
- No more having to worry about someone moving out if you take a long break
- Fruit and bells stack automatically
- Rocks' locations are not permanent
- You don't have to get stuck with your starting map, and you don't need to think for 5 hours where to place a building because you can move anything now
I feel like this game has improved on so many things the series had problems with that we're taking for granted ^^
people aren't trying to start a debate by saying that they feel different than OP, they're just stating their own opinion just like OP did. I don't think NL was lacking in content; I think NL, and every animal crossing game before and after it, was made to be played for an hour or two every day. like, I remember when I was a kid I would play WW for hours and hours every day, and some of that play time was just me walking around doing nothing or just talking to my neighbors over and over again, because genuinely there was nothing else to do, because the developers never intended me to play that long in one day.
I don't want to debate OP or anyone else because tbh I don't care if people don't like NH, it's none of my business and I'm not trying to convince anyone to like it.
moon_child
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They weren’t downloaded into the game but it’s not like they are available right away either. Yes, the initial shops were there from the get go (since the storyline is you arrive in an existing town with existing villagers and existing shops and not a deserted island you have to make from scratch) but upgrading them still took time. Some 30 days before they upgrade again. For PWPs, you have to wait for villagers to suggest them so some you don’t get until several months to years. I know someone who didn’t unlock the police station until her third year of playing.
skogkyst
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There's a lot that people have said and, admittedly, it's kind of a lot to read, but however philosphical people write or however serious they take it, at the end of the day Animal Crossing is a video game. It's meant to be entertainment, something that makes you feel like you're enjoying your time. If you are not enjoying it, then don't pressure yourself into playing. If you ever feel like playing again, just pick it back up. It's that simple - sometimes, I think that communities and fandoms lose sight of the fact that their object of focus is just a game/movie/show/etc. You don't need a reason beyond "I don't want to play".
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I know that the game is incomplete, but if you don't TT, it actually feels like there's more to do per day than in NL right now (provided they keep rolling out updates so new events crop up occasionally). The reason there's more to do each day is because of terraforming and DIYs.
I played NL without time traveling and honestly it felt pretty similar to this game, except I couldn't play as many hours per day. I would do my daily chores, maybe go fishing or beetle hunting to help pay for the latest PWP or house upgrade, and that was mostly it. In NH, I'm constantly working on designing my island, collecting DIYs, collecting materials, looking for new villagers whenever somebody moves out, etc.
I also like that there's more random visitors in NH than there was in NL. It makes you look forward to each and every day, because you want to know who has shown up. Heck, even nighttime is more fun because of making sure to look and see if Celeste or Wisp is there.
I feel like the incompleteness actually impacts TTers way more than non-TTers. You will notice that there aren't events past what the most recent update added. The more the game gets updated, the more it feels true that Nintendo simply doesn't want people to TT in this game. They keep adding TT penalties.
Maybe I'm unusual, but I felt like the Tortimer Island mini-games got super old super fast, especially because you had to play them way too much to grind out medals to buy all of the island exclusive items.
I'm not trying to belittle your feelings on the game. Honestly, I feel like part of the issue might be you're playing Animal Crossing, in general (to include the other games), too much. You might be burnt out and that's why you feel annoyed by things. Or maybe this game isn't for you. That's fine.
I played NL without time traveling and honestly it felt pretty similar to this game, except I couldn't play as many hours per day. I would do my daily chores, maybe go fishing or beetle hunting to help pay for the latest PWP or house upgrade, and that was mostly it. In NH, I'm constantly working on designing my island, collecting DIYs, collecting materials, looking for new villagers whenever somebody moves out, etc.
I also like that there's more random visitors in NH than there was in NL. It makes you look forward to each and every day, because you want to know who has shown up. Heck, even nighttime is more fun because of making sure to look and see if Celeste or Wisp is there.
I feel like the incompleteness actually impacts TTers way more than non-TTers. You will notice that there aren't events past what the most recent update added. The more the game gets updated, the more it feels true that Nintendo simply doesn't want people to TT in this game. They keep adding TT penalties.
Maybe I'm unusual, but I felt like the Tortimer Island mini-games got super old super fast, especially because you had to play them way too much to grind out medals to buy all of the island exclusive items.
I'm not trying to belittle your feelings on the game. Honestly, I feel like part of the issue might be you're playing Animal Crossing, in general (to include the other games), too much. You might be burnt out and that's why you feel annoyed by things. Or maybe this game isn't for you. That's fine.
i do understand where you are coming from. before i even preordered the game, my biggest concern was that i wasn't going to enjoy it as much as i did with new leaf. that's why i tried to avoid as many spoilers as i could before the game's release, because when i closely followed each new announcement for pokemon sun/moon i was left with "ok, sooo now what?"
i only have half of the hours that you have put into your game but i do share some frustrations that you have:
- more specifically, the lack of "new" buildings such as the dream suite, which i always assumed was going to make a return, or at least some way for you to visit other people's islands whenever you want through a code or something
- the villager dialogue is quite plain, yes, but to me that's not really that big of an issue, maybe because it's animal crossing. compared to stardew valley, where the npcs will eventually tell you more about themselves, their hobbies, struggles, etc. the more you increase your friendship with them (i mean it'll still be the same for every playthrough but there is character development)
- i absolutely agree with the flower stuff. i get that the flowers themselves can be used for crafting, but having to dig up every single flower just to transport them, not to mention not being able to store them away like you could in new leaf, is very tedious and ticks me off
- the island rating dropping just because you dropped some crafting materials/fruit/tickets/furniture on the ground is also very annoying. sometimes i just want easier access to them, or it's to help enhance/add variety but nope, gotta remove it because they complain about how there is too much stuff lying around
- i was also surprised to learn that there is only one expansion to timmy and tommy's store. also only 5 new furnitures in total is :/
- the other thing i don't like is the amount of weeds that grow in your island, like please STOP or give us an option that could stop it from growing more and infecting my town (stardew has an item that you can unlock which freezes the growth of grass)
other than that i ran into several mind blocks as to what i wanted my island to look like, and then being dissatisfied at what i have done so far. the terraforming takes ages (when you accidentally cover up a patch of water ugh), and you can only move one building at a time (costly too). oh and laying down paths i hate it so much dear god
i made myself take a break from the game for a bit and patiently plan out what i wanted to do. i looked at some inspo online as a guidance to what i could do to my island (without outright copying). so far i'm a lot more happier/satisfied, i started by pretty much removing the cliffs/water so most of the island was flat land and planned from there. i planned out the entrance of my island and figured out how to work around my res services and maybe 1/8 of my island
overall, i am still very happy with my decision to purchase a switch just so i could play new horizons for now. i do recommend taking a break from the game and then coming back to it when you feel like tackling it again
i only have half of the hours that you have put into your game but i do share some frustrations that you have:
- more specifically, the lack of "new" buildings such as the dream suite, which i always assumed was going to make a return, or at least some way for you to visit other people's islands whenever you want through a code or something
- the villager dialogue is quite plain, yes, but to me that's not really that big of an issue, maybe because it's animal crossing. compared to stardew valley, where the npcs will eventually tell you more about themselves, their hobbies, struggles, etc. the more you increase your friendship with them (i mean it'll still be the same for every playthrough but there is character development)
- i absolutely agree with the flower stuff. i get that the flowers themselves can be used for crafting, but having to dig up every single flower just to transport them, not to mention not being able to store them away like you could in new leaf, is very tedious and ticks me off
- the island rating dropping just because you dropped some crafting materials/fruit/tickets/furniture on the ground is also very annoying. sometimes i just want easier access to them, or it's to help enhance/add variety but nope, gotta remove it because they complain about how there is too much stuff lying around
- i was also surprised to learn that there is only one expansion to timmy and tommy's store. also only 5 new furnitures in total is :/
- the other thing i don't like is the amount of weeds that grow in your island, like please STOP or give us an option that could stop it from growing more and infecting my town (stardew has an item that you can unlock which freezes the growth of grass)
other than that i ran into several mind blocks as to what i wanted my island to look like, and then being dissatisfied at what i have done so far. the terraforming takes ages (when you accidentally cover up a patch of water ugh), and you can only move one building at a time (costly too). oh and laying down paths i hate it so much dear god
i made myself take a break from the game for a bit and patiently plan out what i wanted to do. i looked at some inspo online as a guidance to what i could do to my island (without outright copying). so far i'm a lot more happier/satisfied, i started by pretty much removing the cliffs/water so most of the island was flat land and planned from there. i planned out the entrance of my island and figured out how to work around my res services and maybe 1/8 of my island
overall, i am still very happy with my decision to purchase a switch just so i could play new horizons for now. i do recommend taking a break from the game and then coming back to it when you feel like tackling it again
I’m actually kind of relieved to see a more critical response to New Horizons. I feel like a lot of the pre- (and even post-) launch reviews were very favourable of a game they had maybe only three weeks to experience. This is bizarre for a game that runs in real time - it’s very difficult to review the completeness of a game intended to be played over at least a year. I guess what I’m saying is, I’m disappointed there were not more critical reviews out there. You’d think they’d have noticed how quickly they were ‘running out’ of content in this game.
I could write a thesis on why I think New Horizons has this weird new feeling to it, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with nostalgia…I may make a post about it, but for now I’ll just say that for the most part, I agree with what you’ve said. I don’t know if I’d necessarily quit the game, maybe I’d take a short break from it and come back later. Right now, all I’m doing is using the spare Switch I have here to cycle some villagers for a few people. My island is very much just sitting there, waiting for something else to do.
In June, we're going to get a month long wedding event that essentially turns Reese and Cyrus into props for photographs. Maybe they’ll have a bigger role, but based one what we’ve seen of them…for me, it speaks more about the state of the game than I think most people would think. Here’s these two characters that had their own roles and personalities in the last mainline game. Now they’re props for photos.
Like a lot of people here, I really love New Horizons, but I think it’s only fair to be critical of the lesser aspects of the game…that’s how people can contribute to improving the game indirectly. No sense in being a mindless fan, nothing is flawless.
I could write a thesis on why I think New Horizons has this weird new feeling to it, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with nostalgia…I may make a post about it, but for now I’ll just say that for the most part, I agree with what you’ve said. I don’t know if I’d necessarily quit the game, maybe I’d take a short break from it and come back later. Right now, all I’m doing is using the spare Switch I have here to cycle some villagers for a few people. My island is very much just sitting there, waiting for something else to do.
In June, we're going to get a month long wedding event that essentially turns Reese and Cyrus into props for photographs. Maybe they’ll have a bigger role, but based one what we’ve seen of them…for me, it speaks more about the state of the game than I think most people would think. Here’s these two characters that had their own roles and personalities in the last mainline game. Now they’re props for photos.
Like a lot of people here, I really love New Horizons, but I think it’s only fair to be critical of the lesser aspects of the game…that’s how people can contribute to improving the game indirectly. No sense in being a mindless fan, nothing is flawless.
Sorry to pin-point you - I just happened to stumble upon this comment when I was replying. I just wanted to give a nod in your direction; you're not wrong, but I do take a slight issue with this statement. It's true we're comparing a game that's been out for less than a month to a 7 year old game, but your wording makes it sound like New Leaf has had 7 years to mature and refine itself. It hasn't. For the most part, it's remained as-is since release. The core of the game was as complete on day one as it is in the seventh year of its release. That's completely disregarding the Welcome Amiibo update which, let's be honest, was only released to sell more Amiibo cards since no one cared enough about Amiibo Festival. That wasn't the last big update, it was the only big update. I don't think it's unfair to compare New Horizons to New Leaf in that regard - one month of New Horizons is less complete than one month of New Leaf, and that is weird.
I read the entire original post here and skimmed through the replies, but I honestly don't think this is an "incomplete" game and I don't understand why people think that. It was planned ahead of time that they were going to release content in updates, in order to give people things to look forward to. It wasn't a case of "oh we're just not going to put all of these things in the game and release it anyways, oops."
But I do agree that if you have been playing this game for 8+ hours a day, it may be time to take a breather and either give yourself a break, or move on to other games. Animal Crossing, as wonderful as it is, is not the only thing we have in the whole world. People are starting to get bored of this game, but that's entirely understandable. And it's okay to get bored of this.
Do you guys deem every game bad when you start to get bored of it? It has no obligation to entertain you with every specification you dream up. I have my own personal list of pros and cons I feel towards this game, but I'm not going to sit here and feel like nintendo purposely put those cons into the game just to spite me. I still like this game for what it is and all of the happiness it's brought me.
But I do agree that if you have been playing this game for 8+ hours a day, it may be time to take a breather and either give yourself a break, or move on to other games. Animal Crossing, as wonderful as it is, is not the only thing we have in the whole world. People are starting to get bored of this game, but that's entirely understandable. And it's okay to get bored of this.
Do you guys deem every game bad when you start to get bored of it? It has no obligation to entertain you with every specification you dream up. I have my own personal list of pros and cons I feel towards this game, but I'm not going to sit here and feel like nintendo purposely put those cons into the game just to spite me. I still like this game for what it is and all of the happiness it's brought me.
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Yes, same page as you. I’ve been trying to keep my life on a normal routine, given the fact that in Italy, where I live, we have been in lockdown since the 21st of February. I played maybe around 4 hours the first week cause it’s normal, new game, you want to explore and do stuff, but after that I limited myself to 1/2 hours throughout the day. My island is 3 stars, I’m barely starting to get hybrids as I only recently got all the flowers, I did get a couple of villagers I really really missed (Molly and fauna) from the community but now I just want to wait to get my other dreamies. I’m always shocked when I see people with 5 stars islands, entire complete sets of objects and all the villagers they want within a month. That’s what you would have done in months and months in other games!
I read the entire post. I agree with what other people have said, that due to the lockdowns a lot of people have played the game much more than they normally would. I usually only played AC games maybe an hour a day or longer if a special event like the fishing tourney or bug catching contest was going on.
I’m sure there will be more updates coming out, I really love how gorgeous NH is and like a lot of the new features. I remember in NL I def did not have a perfect town rating after a month lol that probably took me many months to get. Getting the golden tools/flowers took many months/years too. I am very surprised to see that so many people have 5 star town ratings when the game hasn’t even been out 2 months! If it weren’t for the lockdowns I def would not be as far into the game as I am now. I am excited for future events!
I’m sure there will be more updates coming out, I really love how gorgeous NH is and like a lot of the new features. I remember in NL I def did not have a perfect town rating after a month lol that probably took me many months to get. Getting the golden tools/flowers took many months/years too. I am very surprised to see that so many people have 5 star town ratings when the game hasn’t even been out 2 months! If it weren’t for the lockdowns I def would not be as far into the game as I am now. I am excited for future events!
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sorry but I disagree completely. NL had 7 years to refine itself and im not sure how you can completely disregard the Welcome Amiibo update and RV campsite and pretend it didnt change the game. sure you didnt have to buy the amiibo cards but you can’t deny the update added more content to a game (which is always a good thing).
there are pros of NL and previous AC titles having all the content ready upfront upon release but if you’re like me and spent hundreds of hours of the game of the first hours of release, the game gets boring real fast. I played NL religiously up until spring of 2014. I restarted in 2015 and again in 2016. now i barely play anymore obviously because of NH. The Welcome Amiibo updated was needed because NL was getting stale after 3 years and I’m sure the update and amiibo concept was in the planning stages not long after NL’s release.
If we want NH or any AC title to still be a living breathing game for years to come, updates are inevitable because as we see a lot on this forum, people are getting burnt out quick.
toadsworthy
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NH I think was modeled towards all types of players... and I don't think its meant right now for those who TT and know exactly how to get "everything" from a game right from the start. I know so many people who never played animal crossing, and have it and don't know anything about it lol. I admit that half the fun for me is watching my bf try to do simple things.
People keep saying "no island tours, you can't do anything with multiplayer" - but i think thats such a simple minded way to look at it. You can travel to get other DIYs, you can find things in other nooks or ables to buy to give a villager a gift that day, theres so much variety to how you can set up islands I like going to just see what people do. And honestly, island tours were annoying or repetitive after a while... and I only did them to get hibiscus or cabana furniture.
I think NH is a very charming, collectithon in the best way. Theres loads to do to create things and I think they are gonna add in new buildings, extra villagers, yada yada which will make you revisit all these different aspects for months and hopefully years to come. Look at welcome amiibo.... I think were in for more things like that, that will be a game changer.
I think for the "completionist" type of gamer, AC is not a good game for you because you don't get the most out of it by completing it... you get the most out of it by putting yourself in that world. I for one, love talking to my villagers, yeah its repetitive sometimes, but I can give them new gifts, new outfits, they will do different things and show up in different places as I progress my town and I think thats most rewarding to me. So I hope you can find the charm in this game (which I think would've been the biggest let down if the game was released without any shred of that) while updates and interesting things can be done as we go along... I'm looking at halloween, christmas, thanksgiving, and other major holidays this year.
Also, no one should have the bugs and fish completed, lol thats like flagrant disregard for time... and anyone who does that is clearly the "completionist" type of gamer I mentioned that yeah, probably isn't gonna like AC games
People keep saying "no island tours, you can't do anything with multiplayer" - but i think thats such a simple minded way to look at it. You can travel to get other DIYs, you can find things in other nooks or ables to buy to give a villager a gift that day, theres so much variety to how you can set up islands I like going to just see what people do. And honestly, island tours were annoying or repetitive after a while... and I only did them to get hibiscus or cabana furniture.
I think NH is a very charming, collectithon in the best way. Theres loads to do to create things and I think they are gonna add in new buildings, extra villagers, yada yada which will make you revisit all these different aspects for months and hopefully years to come. Look at welcome amiibo.... I think were in for more things like that, that will be a game changer.
I think for the "completionist" type of gamer, AC is not a good game for you because you don't get the most out of it by completing it... you get the most out of it by putting yourself in that world. I for one, love talking to my villagers, yeah its repetitive sometimes, but I can give them new gifts, new outfits, they will do different things and show up in different places as I progress my town and I think thats most rewarding to me. So I hope you can find the charm in this game (which I think would've been the biggest let down if the game was released without any shred of that) while updates and interesting things can be done as we go along... I'm looking at halloween, christmas, thanksgiving, and other major holidays this year.
Also, no one should have the bugs and fish completed, lol thats like flagrant disregard for time... and anyone who does that is clearly the "completionist" type of gamer I mentioned that yeah, probably isn't gonna like AC games
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