do people with self inflicted medical issues deserve help?

[visibleghost]

what's up 2day we're talking about if people who have problem they brought on themselves in one way or another deserve help, sympathy and healthcare. anywayz uhh let's Begin and also b nice to each other and remember that whomstever you're talking to or about is a human person and all that lol


So, should people who made decisions that made them sick or injured them be helped?

some examples are self inflicted injuries or health problems are suicide attempts, self harm, drug abuse, injuries due to criminal activity (gang violence etc.), medical problems caused by plastic surgery and medical issues due to engaging in memes or trends (eating tide pods).

some people think people made their bed and now have to lie in it, therefore they don't deserve healthcare, help or sympathy and that taxpayer's money should go to helping people who didn't "bring this on themselves."
on the other hand there are people who think people deserve help, sympathy and healthcare no matter how they got their issue, because yes it might be stupid to eat tide pods for memes but they still need help.

so, what do u all think?
i guess this is a bigger issue in places where healthcare is funded by taxes because people don't want to pay for other people's bad choices but you can still have an opinion on it even if you're not paying for someone else since it's a moral issue too and whatever.

i think that aside from thinking people only have themselves to blame is very unsympathetic and ignorant of other people's situations, a giant issue with implementing a system where these people get treated differently (paying more or whatever) would be knowing where to drag the line. are mental health issues and drug abuse the people suffering from it's fault, meaning they shouldn't get the same help? are injuries due to a hobby (breaking a bone playing sports, being kicked by a horse, slicing your finger off when cooking) the person's fault, since after all they knew that there are risks with engaging in the hobby and they could have prevented it from happening by not doing it? should smokers get treated for cancer and should former or current alcoholics get liver transplants?

 

[Alienfish]

Well if it's doing dumb stuff like eating dishwasher and laundry detergents, they should pay for themselves or at least have someone look after them so they don't do it again.

I mean, I'd rather have a taxes system than some lib thing like the US where it's basically choose to be sick and pay if you can stuff. Sure there are dumb nuts everywhere and they obviously need help if they actually are watching videos like that all the time and do what they do, so you can't really rule that out unless you do something against the people putting these things since people are so easily affected. But yeah you shouldn't go sue a company making those pods just because you are dumb enough to eat them.

Re alcoholics, drugs etc., it's a completely different thing because it's pretty accessible and really easy to fall into if you get on that side of life.. so yeah they should obv. get treatment.

And yeah for those people who are aware of themselves imitating dumb videos, they should at least get some kinda sharp warning, idk. I mean if it's a baby doing it they can't really tell that it's not food so then it's on the parents side to keep stuff like that hidden away.

 

[idiotdoomspiral]

what's up 2day: am good
the real talk: i think that most people deserve help, but all of the one's you mentioned yes
tide pod cases are extremely stupid but peer pressure is a thing, and it would be even more stupid to deny them access to a hospital because of what they've done
i've heard on the news that doctors are very angry at people clogging up checkups/emergency because of youtube prank channels doing stupid things (ambulances being late/unavailable is a very sad issue in the uk) i have no sympathy for these people but it really isn't fair to say "lol you really hurt yourself have fun with your wound that will never be treated cuz u did a dumb bud" maybe they don't deserve sympathy, but medical care definitely
people who cut themselves or commit suicide, even if for attention, deserve sympathy and physical and mental help. it's still likely that they have a disorder themselves to crave attention.
drugs, alcohol and smoking are all addictive. it doesn't matter how you got into them in the first place, you need as much support as possible if you want out/if you're in danger. i hate drunk people, i hate drugs and i hate the smell of smoke, but that doesn't mean i don't think anyone who does these things is a terrible person who brought it on themselves.
gang violence is something i'm unsure about. i think people need to hear your side of the story with why you were sucked into it, and you should definitely have your wounds treated.
i've burned myself while cooking many times and have heard lots of stories from friends and family having broken bones from horses. you shouldn't be expected to never be injured while doing an activity. you're not an idiot.

 

[Alienfish]

yeah, obviously suicide/depression people needs help no doubt. but yeah something in society needs to be changed if people clog up doctors with dumb challenge tide pod issues.. like get off your phone/tablet/computer or whatever and.. live in real life.

and yeah cooking accidents like mentioned above, i mean those happens.. so yeah.

 

[Katelyn]

Suicide/self harm is 100% yes in my opinion. Usually, there?s some sort of underlying mental health issue and even if not they have to be going through something really extreme in order to do that.

If it?s something you brought upon yourself such as a cosmetic surgery or eating tide pods or some s***, then no you don?t really deserve it.

As for drug abuse, I?m kind of conflicted on this one. I believe they deserve a chance or two but if it?s a reoccurring problem then in my mind you don?t deserve help anymore. If you can?t straighten yourself out with help the first few times then that?s on you.

But yea, those are my takes

 

[duckykate]

obviously people who are suicidal and self harm deserve help, but that's kind of it in my opinion. i mean, everyone deserves healthcare but if you eat a tide pod or smoke for 50 years and get lung cancer that was your decision and you should pay the price. especially if you live in a place with universal healthcare

 

[Bowie]

Yeah, I mentioned this in a previous thread. I personally think that people who got themselves in trouble by doing stupid things should have to pay for healthcare, and people with health issues, people who get caught up in accidents, people getting abused, etc. should get it free.

If you hurt yourself by eating a tide pod you probably don't deserve health care at all, honestly, but the less strict solution is just to make 'em pay for it, and let the free healthcare go to people who really need it, not just because you decided to be an idiot, hurt yourself, and then expect to get free healthcare for it. There are people who need surgeries and all sorts of very serious things, and they can't get it because there's some moron ahead of them who did something because YOLO.

 

[Envy]

You listed a very wide spectrum of self-harm which also has a wide-spectrum of causes.

I need to go to a rehearsal so I have to keep this short, but understand that lumping all of those together is not wise. There is a huge difference between teens eating Tide Pods because it's a trend, and people who are going through psychological trauma that is causing them to self-harm.

 

[pidge]

Just because people are struggling or doing something stupid doesn't mean they deserve any less care.
I've had to go to hospital myself a few times for self inflicted medical issues and honestly it's been really what I need so thats a 10000000% YES.
People who do tide pod challenges and that kind of thing, in my opinion, do deserve medical attention, but they also need one heck of a talking to lol like ''this is not normal''
Idk; I feel stronger than most on this probably but I think everybody should get help no matter what they've done, it's usually better for the person and those around the person in question.

 

[Weiland]

Being a huge advocate and a victim of mental health issues, I can safely say that YES people with self-harm or suicide attempt injuries deserve help. Usually they can't really help it because they get so stressed or depressed and have no other way of coping. Even the ones who do it for attention deserve a little sympathy.
Now, if you're going to eat goddamn tide pods because of a "meme", you need to get off the internet and absorb yourself in the REAL WORLD. Cosmetic surgery is a bit difficult; if they were so insecure about the body part and decided to get it surgically changed and the surgeon does something wrong during the procedure, then yes, they deserve the help and sympathy. If they knew the consequences of changing the body part, knowing it would affect them negatively, then no, they do not deserve the sympathy. The other category of plastic surgery (not cosmetic) is another story. Sometimes they need it to stay alive or be healthier and happier, and sometimes the surgery goes wrong. That would mean yes, if they needed it and knew it was for the best, they certainly do need the sympathy and help.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone. ;-; not very profound on this subject ...

 

[RedTropicalPeachyFish]

We all make mistake. We might realize later, how stupid it was or where it was wrong, but not that moment. And sometimes we can change/realize when we know we are cared about from some others.

So, absolutely yes.

Just, only exception is, like self-pitying. When there's something they can do, and choose to not do anything but spoiling themselves in self-pitying, and if it ended up in inflicting themselves, it's a matter of choice in life. They just chose what they wanted, no one's business.

 

[visibleghost]

ok how about this: someone eats a tide pod as a suicide attempt. should they be told to go home because they did this to themself? some of you think being stupid and getting hurt means you should be on your own, but how is anyone supposed to know why or how someone did something that ended them up at a hospital? should people who seek medical help get shamed for what they've done or been through?

cut up wrists are very obviously a mental illness thing but not all self destructive symptoms of mental illness are as easy to spot the cause of. many mentally ill people abuse drugs or alcohol, it's not always a matter of "this normal dude with good opportunities in life decided that living as a heroin addict would be cool so he started doing heroin, while i decoded to not do heroin which means that i'm a better person lol."

if smokers should have known what they were getting into, should people who are overweight (without it being due to illness) get healthcare, isn't it kind of the same thing? should people who knew they were getting sick but decided to not go to a doctor until later when the illness had gotten much worse get help? should people who chose not to vaccinate and then got sick get help?
people always have a choice but some are at a higher risk of ending up in certain situations due to things that are out of their control. is it really fair to judge everyone by the same standards?

no one here seems to think self harm and suicide attempts are things that should be seen as their own stupid fault which is Neat but there are definitely people who think that way. there also are people who think of themselves as better people than for instance people who abuse drugs or self harm because they would never do that to themselves.
i think this is a really Uhhh ignorant way of thinking and it shows that those people don't try to see things from the perspective of others. there are a lot of health professionals who think like this, too, which can hurt patients and also is extremely crappy. and like.., i just think that it's great that someone never had the need to hurt themselves but that's something to be grateful of rather than to see as a personal achievement making them a better person than people who have.

obviously making bad choices in life is bad but there are ways to help prevent people from making bad choices (education and whatever) and i don't think that the time to judge someone is when they're hurt and in need of help.

 

[Romaki]

Of course they deserve help. Medical help isn't a question of whether you deserve it or not...

 

[Cheren]

Yes.

 

[Antonio]

Yesh...this thread makes no sense to me. Why bring up a question like that? No one should be hurting themselves and to deny them care just because it was "self inflicted". That would be harsh. Self inflicted or not, the person is still hurting.

 

[piichinu]

As someone who’s going into medicine who the **** are all of us to decide who deserves free healthcare based on their situation. I don’t care if you eat a tide pod or smoke 50 years and end up with lung cancer (which I straight up LOLed because who can even afford cancer treatment). It doesn’t matter how it came about the fact is is that it exists and needs to be taken care of. Doctors shouldn’t be biased toward people and charge them healthcare as “ punishment” for their decisions that is NOT the purpose of any medical professional or medical institution. You will never truly know someone’s situation and it’s an even bigger waste of resources to try to figure out who “”deserves”” it or not. Amen and thank you. ��

PS I am american

 

[Cheren]

Yesh...this thread makes no sense to me. Why bring up a question like that? No one should be hurting themselves and to deny them care just because it was "self inflicted". That would be harsh. Self inflicted or not, the person is still hurting.

Exactly. If someone is wounded, you treat them. The context doesn't really matter.

 

[Haydenv019]

It's a half-half situation. They deserve and don't deserve help at the same time.
They don't deserve it because it was their fault... But they deserve it at the same time so they can learn from their mistakes, and it's just basic human moral to help other people.. If they repeat it, don't help them again then. Don't give them a second chance.

 

[visibleghost]

Yesh...this thread makes no sense to me. Why bring up a question like that? No one should be hurting themselves and to deny them care just because it was "self inflicted". That would be harsh. Self inflicted or not, the person is still hurting.

i had seen it being discussed and apparently quite a few people think that other people deserve bad things because they're not Valid enough lol so i thought it'd be uhhh Fun 2 see what people here thought.

It's a half-half situation. They deserve and don't deserve help at the same time.
They don't deserve it because it was their fault... But they deserve it at the same time so they can learn from their mistakes, and it's just basic human moral to help other people.. If they repeat it, don't help them again then. Don't give them a second chance.

what situations would this apply to and how will you know if it's happened before lol

 

[Haydenv019]

Now that I think about it,
I take back what I said. People deserve help, no matter what. I was thinking half-half because what if they self-inflicted voluntarily? Then it would be a waste to help someone that did that to themselves.

Like others say, I don't know why we need to discuss this.