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Do you believe Donald Trump will win the presidency?

Do you believe Trump will win against Clinton?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 30.9%
  • No

    Votes: 132 69.1%

  • Total voters
    191
  • Poll closed .
Alright, but I guess yu are incredibly privileged then, or just stupid and not reflecting at all and taking his side just because you seem either dissatisfied as hell or just hopping the bandwagon.

I'd rather have voted for Bernie if I could and hoped he could have made but I guess sadly he never had the money or came off as too "communist" for the US people.
I'm not hopping on the bandwagon
I didn't support Trump during the primarys. I'm only support him because I know how bad Hillary is.
 
i never gave trump a free pass on anything, how about u read my previous posts where i say he is not presidential material, has no experience of statesmanship and is basically a kremlin sockpuppet. im glad i dont get a vote in this because both candidates are awful. just like u accuse me of automatically disqualifying clinton because of her emails, people automatically disqualify trump because wahh wahh he's (allegedly) a racist. trump resonates with people because he says what they are thinking. and guess what, it's not good enough to just call his supporters a basket of deplorables, because those are still people with a right to vote and express their beliefs like anyone else. you can't just dismiss a bloc of voters as racist or watever -ist thinking that'll make them go away.

Trump isn't allegedly racist; he is racist. It's not like Trump has made just one or two controversial remarks and people are just calling him racist. He says insulting and derogatory things about people over and over again and makes no effort to correct or apologize for them. He's about as racist as a person gets without putting on a pointy white hat.

Comparing people disqualifying Clinton because of her emails and Trump because he is racist is a false equivalency. People can choose to disqualify Clinton because of her emails; everyone is entitled to their opinion on that. Everyone should agree that being racist should be disqualifying though. The fact that America is even having a debate whether it's okay to have a racist president or not is disturbing.

You're right that Trump's supporters have a right to vote for him and yeah there's no way to make them go away. The point of Clinton's "deplorables" comment was not to try to convert his supporters; that's a lost cause. The point was to remind people who are undecided or liberals who have misgivings about Clinton that Trump's most die-hard supporters are people we should not follow or help out. Think about why people voted for Trump in the primary. Is it because he is a businessman and an outsider? Carly Fiorina was also a businesswomen and arguably a much better one. Is it because he is conservative? Other candidates like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz were more conservative. The thing that stood out about Trump compared to all the other candidates was that he was the only one opening pedaling racial animosity. So in a sense, Trump's core supporters are deplorables and the rest of America will hopefully not let them have their preferred president.
 
you're making the assumption that the core trump supporters aka the deplorables are just a very vocal minority. i guess we'll see if you're right come november. while i think clinton will ultimately win, i don't think it will be a crushing landslide.

it's not just about saying "trump said a racist thing, that was bad". many ppl will agree at the time, yet poll numbers won't swing nearly as much as you'd expect if that many ppl believed trump is racist. it's much more effective to paint overarching narratives, which factor in individual issues but arent so limited in scope. "trump said mexicans are rapists, thats bad" is a short-sighted argument. "trump is leading a rising tide of ethnocentrism and white supremacy that threatens to set back racial equality a century or more" is a better narrative, if you can get people to buy it. thing is, it's all irrelevant. u can google bill clinton's coffee comment he made about obama to ted kennedy. or the clintons links to robert byrd (the kkk)

ultimately i think that is irrelevant, even if trump is a dyed in the wool racist his policies do have the best chance of improving the lot of poor minority groups. it's not like president trump will have absolute power, he cannot get elected and than repeal the 13th and 14th amendments. so i ask you: what exactly (besides retweeting white supremacist tweets) do you think trump will do to disadvantage minority groups?

all the random noise surrounding trump is irrelevant from an ideas prospective. like i said before, the main reason republican voters are resonating with trump so much is that he is not afraid to say what he thinks and speak common sense even when its not politically correct to do so.

the refugee issue is a perfect example of this. trump is saying that inviting refugees in to the country is allowing for the possibility of terrorists coming in with them. this is very reasonable, all you have to do is look at europe to see the possible effects. even if you feel the risk is worth it (which i think is a fine debate, perhaps the risk of a bombing which may happen anyway is worth allowing refugees.) trumps policy seems reasonable and many americans surely feel the same way. yet the media is shocked by his statements and try to label them as racist. i think trump is showing a disconnect between the thinking public and the media elites, pundits, washington analysts etc.

back to the race issue, i would ask you, what has the democrat party really done for the black community in the last 20 years? take chicago, 100% democrat, democrat mayor, democrat run state pretty much, the poverty rates for blacks are sky high (something like 14% from a quick google search) poverty rates are sky high (34% again from google). saw a stat today that black children have only a 36% chance to grow up in a family with both mother and father so what has the democrat party done for the black community besides stick them in a cycle of dependency crime and poverty? and dont give me excuses about the federal level, the dems had full control of house and senate as well as president for 2 yours and president for 8 not to mention the bill clinton era.

so when trump suggest economic ideas and education reforms which will actually help black people all over the countryn i ask you why should black people vote for hillary? oh yeah, trump is a racist, silly me, you get welfare and food stamps and free abortions! look at all these areas with majority black communities - inner city chicago, new york, detroit, etc. these places have been solidly democrat for years and the party has had ample opportunity to implement policies like more funding for inner city schools, affirmative action, criminal justice reform, welfare programs, rent subsidies etc. in fact most of these have actually been implemented for example rent subsidies, rent control, welfare and food stamps, affirmative action policies. what have they actually achieved? nothing
 
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you're making the assumption that the core trump supporters aka the deplorables are just a very vocal minority. i guess we'll see if you're right come november. while i think clinton will ultimately win, i don't think it will be a crushing landslide.

it's not just about saying "trump said a racist thing, that was bad". many ppl will agree at the time, yet poll numbers won't swing nearly as much as you'd expect if that many ppl believed trump is racist. it's much more effective to paint overarching narratives, which factor in individual issues but arent so limited in scope. "trump said mexicans are rapists, thats bad" is a short-sighted argument. "trump is leading a rising tide of ethnocentrism and white supremacy that threatens to set back racial equality a century or more" is a better narrative, if you can get people to buy it. thing is, it's all irrelevant. u can google bill clinton's coffee comment he made about obama to ted kennedy. or the clintons links to robert byrd (the kkk)

ultimately i think that is irrelevant, even if trump is a dyed in the wool racist his policies do have the best chance of improving the lot of poor minority groups. it's not like president trump will have absolute power, he cannot get elected and than repeal the 13th and 14th amendments. so i ask you: what exactly (besides retweeting white supremacist tweets) do you think trump will do to disadvantage minority groups?

all the random noise surrounding trump is irrelevant from an ideas prospective. like i said before, the main reason republican voters are resonating with trump so much is that he is not afraid to say what he thinks and speak common sense even when its not politically correct to do so.

the refugee issue is a perfect example of this. trump is saying that inviting refugees in to the country is allowing for the possibility of terrorists coming in with them. this is very reasonable, all you have to do is look at europe to see the possible effects. even if you feel the risk is worth it (which i think is a fine debate, perhaps the risk of a bombing which may happen anyway is worth allowing refugees.) trumps policy seems reasonable and many americans surely feel the same way. yet the media is shocked by his statements and try to label them as racist. i think trump is showing a disconnect between the thinking public and the media elites, pundits, washington analysts etc.

back to the race issue, i would ask you, what has the democrat party really done for the black community in the last 20 years? take chicago, 100% democrat, democrat mayor, democrat run state pretty much, the poverty rates for blacks are sky high (something like 14% from a quick google search) poverty rates are sky high (34% again from google). saw a stat today that black children have only a 36% chance to grow up in a family with both mother and father so what has the democrat party done for the black community besides stick them in a cycle of dependency crime and poverty? and dont give me excuses about the federal level, the dems had full control of house and senate as well as president for 2 yours and president for 8 not to mention the bill clinton era.

so when trump suggest economic ideas and education reforms which will actually help black people all over the countryn i ask you why should black people vote for hillary? oh yeah, trump is a racist, silly me, you get welfare and food stamps and free abortions! look at all these areas with majority black communities - inner city chicago, new york, detroit, etc. these places have been solidly democrat for years and the party has had ample opportunity to implement policies like more funding for inner city schools, affirmative action, criminal justice reform, welfare programs, rent subsidies etc. in fact most of these have actually been implemented for example rent subsidies, rent control, welfare and food stamps, affirmative action policies. what have they actually achieved? nothing

Ah, here's the patron-ism. Are you suggesting that the overwhelming majority of Africans Americans are stupid for supporting Hillary Clinton over Trump? That Trump's mostly white base knows what's best for African Americans? Cities naturally have higher poverty rates than their surrounding suburbs regardless of who is governing. If you look on the statewide level, most of the states with the highest rates of poverty are in the deep South which is mostly governed by Republicans, so it depends on where you look at. I don't know why you think Trump's policies will help reduce poverty since he rarely goes into details about what those policies are. "Make America Great Again" and "What do you have to lose?" are slogans, not plans. When he does reveal policies, they are usually intended to help wealthy people like him and his family. Democrats have taken African Americans for granted to an extent, but I can't really blame them. If Democrats went out of their way to solve issues in African American communities, white people would get even more pissed at Democrats and they'd never win elections. If I had the choice of being taken for granted or being completely written off and **** on, I'd probably choose the former too.

Unfortunately, this is going to be another black (and Hispanic) vs. white election. It sucks that America is still stuck in a Civil War mentality 150 years later, but that's where we're at as a country.
 
Personally,part of me thinks he ran for president as a joke or a bet to say the most inane childish and nonsensical **** possible. I don't think he thought he'd get this far, and now he can't back out because he's in too deep.
 
Personally,part of me thinks he ran for president as a joke or a bet to say the most inane childish and nonsensical **** possible. I don't think he thought he'd get this far, and now he can't back out because he's in too deep.

Do you know, I have wondered that myself. The things he comes out with sometimes, I'm sure he never expected in his wildest dreams to still be in the running. Can't help thinking it would be bad news for many Americans if he were to be in power :(
 
Do you know, I have wondered that myself. The things he comes out with sometimes, I'm sure he never expected in his wildest dreams to still be in the running. Can't help thinking it would be bad news for many Americans if he were to be in power :(
America is over no matter who we pick.
 
Yeah okay, I hope Trump loses now. Just read about how he had sex with an aspiring 13 yr old model and treated her like a sex slave... Along with a famous pedophile billionare who is a level 3 sex offender. Yeah, if a pedo rapist gets in then **** this.
 
Yeah I just read that he raped a young girl. Why the **** is he allowed to still run? Just cause he has money, right? Who wants a pedo as the president? Jesus.

I hope from the bottom of my heart that he doesn't win.
 
Yeah I just read that he raped a young girl. Why the **** is he allowed to still run? Just cause he has money, right? Who wants a pedo as the president? Jesus.

I hope from the bottom of my heart that he doesn't win.
For the same reason Clinton is allowed to run while there's allegations that she helped silence women that were allegedly victims of Bill Clinton's sexual harassment and abuse:
Proof is necessary. An allegation cannot stand on its own.
 
For the same reason Clinton is allowed to run while there's allegations that she helped silence women that were allegedly victims of Bill Clinton's sexual harassment and abuse:
Proof is necessary. An allegation cannot stand on its own.

He was hanging out with a level 3 sex offender. There's no way to prove he raped her other than word. I think the people he chooses to hang out with is a sign.
 
He was hanging out with a level 3 sex offender. There's no way to prove he raped her other than word. I think the people he chooses to hang out with is a sign.
Hanging out with a sex offender doesn't make you one by proxy. These people also know they're breaking the law, so it's not likely something they'll share. Him being (or having been) friends with a sex offender is not proof that he himself is one too.
 
Hanging out with a sex offender doesn't make you one by proxy. These people also know they're breaking the law, so it's not likely something they'll share. Him being (or having been) friends with a sex offender is not proof that he himself is one too.

There's a photo of him kissing a 13 yr old girl, regardless of whether or not he raped her, he treats women like ****. His ex wife and multiple women have testified he hit them or tried to rape them.
 
I hope he doesn't, though both candidates are horrible either way.
 
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