Donald Trump's cabinet picks

[Red Cat]

we applied that logic for the last 8 years and look where we are now

I think of it more as a one-off event caused by the very poor decision of the Democrats to nominate Hillary Clinton. Obama won big in his two elections, so I think it had more to do with the messenger than the message which was mostly the same. Trump people were never going to vote for anyone else no matter what, but a better candidate could have done a better job motivating the voters needed to beat him.

 

[-Apples-]

The KKK having its roots in the Democratic party has absolutely nothing to do with the current members within the party. If you're going to ignore the history behind political realignments throughout American history, you're going to regurgitate statements with little to no merit in political discussions. That's the issue. On top of misleading news, we have people spreading inaccurate and misleading comments that do not advance discussion at all.

Do some research on the meaning of the word racism. You've been throwing it around a lot and you're continuously using it out of context and not even using it correctly. Trump's rhetoric on the wall is based in racist thought, and his portrayal of the Mexican people as rapists and criminals is a textbook example of racism.

Fact: Republicans have no alternative to replacing Obama. Fact: a majority of Americans want a national healthcare system. The repercussions of repealing the ACA is going to be felt strongly in the red states that need these services more than those in well-off states.

His cabinet picks have all been cherry-picked from the swamp he has promised to drain. His choices are people that are members of the alt-right (see also: Nazi) movement and either Trump has no idea what he's doing or he's purposely screwing everyone over.

No one is above criticism. Pretending that Trump is doing everything flawlessly would be letting him go unaccountable. He is not, nor should he be.

I'm not gonna respond to all of that, but the Obamacare repeal, I actually support it. I know a lot of Americans want a universal healthcare, but it has failed a lot. To pay for peoples' healthcare, you have to raise income taxes. Honestly, it's a bad idea to take money away from those who work hard and give it to those who don't contribute much. I'm okay with property tax, sales tax, excise taxes, and corporate taxes, but not income taxes. I also don't think the government should regulate healthcare like how Canada and Britain are doing it. Only the doctors make the medical decisions. Laws should not inhibit what's best for the patients. Not only that, but Obamacare has a few regulations that I am against. The individual mandate - you should not be forced to own something or do something as a requirement of being American citizen. The employer mandate - employers have the right to regulate their businesses the way they want as long as they pay people reasonably, not discriminate, and pay their bills. They don't need to pay for anyones' insurance or anything people can get on their own. Contraceptive mandate, same thing. Requiring restaurants and fast foods to place calorie information in public and not just the internet, still violating employers' rights. So I am for repealing Obamacare.

But if there is one thing Obamacare has that I support, it would be the plan where people can stay on their parents' insurance until they turn 26. Only the extreme right would oppose that, but I don't.

 

[Red Cat]

I'm not gonna respond to all of that, but the Obamacare repeal, I actually support it. I know a lot of Americans want a universal healthcare, but it has failed a lot. To pay for peoples' healthcare, you have to raise income taxes. Honestly, it's a bad idea to take money away from those who work hard and give it to those who don't contribute much. I'm okay with property tax, sales tax, excise taxes, and corporate taxes, but not income taxes. I also don't think the government should regulate healthcare like how Canada and Britain are doing it. Only the doctors make the medical decisions. Laws should not inhibit what's best for the patients. Not only that, but Obamacare has a few regulations that I am against. The individual mandate - you should not be forced to own something or do something as a requirement of being American citizen. The employer mandate - employers have the right to regulate their businesses the way they want as long as they pay people reasonably, not discriminate, and pay their bills. They don't need to pay for anyones' insurance or anything people can get on their own. Contraceptive mandate, same thing. Requiring restaurants and fast foods to place calorie information in public and not just the internet, still violating employers' rights. So I am for repealing Obamacare.

But if there is one thing Obamacare has that I support, it would be the plan where people can stay on their parents' insurance until they turn 26. Only the extreme right would oppose that, but I don't.

Obamacare has a lot of flaws, but it's important to note that some of the problems you mentioned were problems before Obamacare was passed. Decisions were often not made just between the patient and doctor because a lot depends on what the insurance company will pay for. People do end up paying for other people's health care when someone needs a procedure and has no insurance and can't afford it. Everyone else ends up paying more in insurance costs because of that, and doctors are not just going to let a patient die because he may not be able to afford his care. That is the point of the mandate, so that people can't freeload by not buying insurance. The problem with this actually was that the penalty was not stiff enough, so a lot of young people opted to pay the penalty instead of buying health insurance. Healthcare has to be paid for one way or another, and Obamacare tried to distribute that load between taxpayers and businesses. Repealing it will likely mean a greater percentage of health care costs will fall onto middle class families and people who are responsible and buy insurance. Also, more of those decisions that you make with your doctor will have to be signed-off by insurance companies if things like lifetime-limits come back.

 

[Haskell]

He got elected because a gang of idiots kidnapped a poor guy and tortured him? I 100% doubt that.

What countries built walls? Great Wall of China doesn't count, Mongols are gone. Ah yes, all illegals are rapists and drug lords guys. Nobody comes here to get their child a better life, to live the American dream. They just come to sell crack. Assuming a majority does that just buys into Fox fearmongering, plus how does one even identify illegal immigrants? And why can't legal citizens be the same thing?

Just because you hear worse from others, doesn't make it okay. Broken clock is right twice a day, doesn't mean blanket statements are great.

Tom, you're missing everything! You're taking Trump's "wall" like the great wall of china! He's already talked about details. 36 foot tall fence with better and efficiency security. Capability to prevent "dig-unders".

Who says he's wrong? He's saying it how it is! Illegal immigrants are rapists and in the drug cartel. I understand all are not but it's enough so that it is a problem!

I will never stop loving America, even if Hillary were elected.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Obamacare has a lot of flaws, but it's important to note that some of the problems you mentioned were problems before Obamacare was passed. Decisions were often not made just between the patient and doctor because a lot depends on what the insurance company will pay for. People do end up paying for other people's health care when someone needs a procedure and has no insurance and can't afford it. Everyone else ends up paying more in insurance costs because of that, and doctors are not just going to let a patient die because he may not be able to afford his care. That is the point of the mandate, so that people can't freeload by not buying insurance. The problem with this actually was that the penalty was not stiff enough, so a lot of young people opted to pay the penalty instead of buying health insurance. Healthcare has to be paid for one way or another, and Obamacare tried to distribute that load between taxpayers and businesses. Repealing it will likely mean a greater percentage of health care costs will fall onto middle class families and people who are responsible and buy insurance. Also, more of those decisions that you make with your doctor will have to be signed-off by insurance companies if things like lifetime-limits come back.

Because of Obama's agenda, you have to pay a fine if you don't have healthcare. .-. And... repealing is what most Americans want. Proof: Trump got elected. It's expensive and it only lets you choose from a select few doctors.

Too much government involvement.

 

[Red Cat]

Tom, you're missing everything! You're taking Trump's "wall" like the great wall of china! He's already talked about details. 36 foot tall fence with better and efficiency security. Capability to prevent "dig-unders".

Who says he's wrong? He's saying it how it is! Illegal immigrants are rapists and in the drug cartel. I understand all are not but it's enough so that it is a problem!

I will never stop loving America, even if Hillary were elected.

- - - Post Merge - - -



Because of Obama's agenda, you have to pay a fine if you don't have healthcare. .-. And... repealing is what most Americans want. Proof: Trump got elected. It's expensive and it only lets you choose from a select few doctors.

Too much government involvement.

More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than Trump, so by your logic most Americans want Obamacare to stay. If Obamacare gets repealed, you won't get fined for not having health insurance; you'll just lose your house if you get sick / injured and don't have enough money on hand to buy a Lamborghini.

 

[Haskell]

Trump campaigned for the electoral college not the popular vote. You won't get fined for not having healthcare? Explain that to people who have gotten fined... like my friend's uncle, a gamer friend, a teacher's grandfather. I'm sure there are more examples.

By him winning shows that America choose him rather than Hillary. If it was popular vote it would be more unfair and less challenging.

 

[Blu Rose]

Trump campaigned for the electoral college not the popular vote. You won't get fined for not having healthcare? Explain that to people who have gotten fined... like my friend's uncle, a gamer friend, a teacher's grandfather. I'm sure there are more examples.

By him winning shows that America choose him rather than Hillary. If it was popular vote it would be more unfair and less challenging.

it would also reflect more surely the "thoughts" of people that voted for hillary because ZOMG FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT XD
it would, also, however, probably balance out with those that voted trump because ZOMG "POLITICAL OUTSIDER" XD
my aunts, uncles, and their friends don't have health care and they're totally fine. granted, that's in colorado

 

[Red Cat]

Trump campaigned for the electoral college not the popular vote. You won't get fined for not having healthcare? Explain that to people who have gotten fined... like my friend's uncle, a gamer friend, a teacher's grandfather. I'm sure there are more examples.

By him winning shows that America choose him rather than Hillary. If it was popular vote it would be more unfair and less challenging.

I said if it got repealed, you wouldn't pay a fine, but instead lose your house. And how the hell is choosing a president by the popular vote unfair? That's like saying it's unfair that the team which scored the most points in a game won. Do you think about what you type, or do you just bang your head on the keyboard and post whatever comes out?

 

[Haskell]

Because demographics. That's why. I have not said anything negative towards you beside my opinion but now you're saying all I do is bang my head on a keyboard? Have an intelligent conversation and let's treat each other with respect. God damn.

I didn't want to play the "Hillary's a women so more people voted for her" card but someone did and they're absolutely right.

 

[Eudial]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...-video-airs/ar-BBxUAVu?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

Watch this link! This is why Trump got elected! Because people are tired of there being no double standard!

Yet, no one said a word about this: http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/12/white-high-school-football-player-handicapped-black-teammate-with-coat-hanger-walks-free/

The person who committed that crime is walking free, whereas the four idiots up there in the link you provided are apprehended by the police. THIS is what double standards look like. Trump doesn't care about any of that. That's why he picked all the money munchers to be on his team. This place is going to be a hot mess.

I don't care about Hillary, either for that matter. She's another money muncher, the only person I'd like to see in office is someone who will put the PEOPLE first. I'm already hearing about the defunding of Planned Parenthood, and things of that nature, so we are already heading backwards.

 

[Haskell]

Yet, no one said a word about this: http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/12/white-high-school-football-player-handicapped-black-teammate-with-coat-hanger-walks-free/

The person who committed that crime is walking free, whereas the four idiots up there in the link you provided are apprehended by the police. THIS is what double standards look like. Trump doesn't care about any of that. That's why he picked all the money munchers to be on his team. This place is going to be a hot mess.

I don't care about Hillary, either for that matter. She's another money muncher, the only person I'd like to see in office is someone who will put the PEOPLE first. I'm already hearing about the defunding of Planned Parenthood, and things of that nature, so we are already heading backwards.

Money munchers? I didn't know that Carson, Chao, Mad Dog Mattis were money munchers...

Planned Parenthood? Please, that place is a mess! With a third s, Messs!

Trump does care about double standards or he wouldn't be running. He talked about running for a while. Do you know the reasons why he ran?

- - - Post Merge - - -

Just a side note : I'm realizing that I'm really opinionated. I appreciate you all tolerating it and allowing this conversation to continue.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Tom, you're missing everything! You're taking Trump's "wall" like the great wall of china! He's already talked about details. 36 foot tall fence with better and efficiency security. Capability to prevent "dig-unders".

Who says he's wrong? He's saying it how it is! Illegal immigrants are rapists and in the drug cartel. I understand all are not but it's enough so that it is a problem!

I will never stop loving America, even if Hillary were elected.

And... repealing is what most Americans want. Proof: Trump got elected.

They will still "dig-under", they will over, boat over, drive over. A big ol chainlink fence with many some concrete below won't stop the determined.

There you go with that blanket statement again.

Money munchers? I didn't know that Carson, Chao, Mad Dog Mattis were money munchers...

Planned Parenthood? Please, that place is a mess! With a third s, Messs!

Trump does care about double standards or he wouldn't be running. He talked about running for a while. Do you know the reasons why he ran?

DeVos, Tillerson, Ross, Pudzer, Mnuchin, and of course Trump himself however fit that description nicely.

Ah yeah, Planned Parenthood, providing birth control and healthcare options are horrible. Don't need em. Throw it out. /s

Because he wanted to gut America clean and instigate a war with CHina?

 

[Haskell]

He wants a better relationship with China. We can't just let ANY country be unfair to us. Our trade deal with China is causing a lot of deficit. Look at our national debt. We can't afford deficit.

We need to prevent what ILLEGAL immigration we can... fences/walls - call it what makes you feel the safest - work! Mexico built a wall - working. Guatemala - working. Other countries too! We will always have illegal immigration but it's out of control right now! Sanctuary cities are absolutely unlawful. We are one country formed by states, not an empire with city-states. .-.

Planned Parenthood? An organization that sells fetuses, aborts babies for dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant. Planned Parenthood is garbo.

Those "rich white men" are what Trump knows. He doesn't select them if he doesn't think they'll work and be efficient. I would rather having a rich man who's pushing the right legislature. I find it funny that you get onto a FEW of Trump's cabinet picks for being rich when Hillary is only rich for taking money and from donations. .-. Oh, and she tried to get more rich by stealing from the white house when her sexual husband was leaving office. .-.

 

[cIementine]

Planned Parenthood? An organization that sells fetuses, aborts babies for dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant. Planned Parenthood is garbo.

oh dear
planned parenthood provides affordable birth control and education on birth control, which means the rate of teenage pregnancy is decreasing. and if these girls do happen to get pregnant, they should have the right to get a safe and legal abortion.
most people who use planned parenthood aren't teenagers and are looking for contraceptives to prevent pregnancy in the first place. not to forget annual exams, screenings, etc.
but sure, all they do is sell babies really lmao
this is just my opinion and if you believe planned parenthood is 'garbo', then i'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. that'd be like the government trying to tell women what to do with their bodies. which would be totally absurd!!

 

[lostineverfreeforest]

Planned Parenthood? Please, that place is a mess!

I'm wondering if you realize how silly you sound.

 

[Red Cat]

He wants a better relationship with China. We can't just let ANY country be unfair to us. Our trade deal with China is causing a lot of deficit. Look at our national debt. We can't afford deficit.

So he wants a better relationship with China, but the first thing he's going to do is start a trade war with China over his protectionist trade policies?

We need to prevent what ILLEGAL immigration we can... fences/walls - call it what makes you feel the safest - work! Mexico built a wall - working. Guatemala - working. Other countries too! We will always have illegal immigration but it's out of control right now! Sanctuary cities are absolutely unlawful. We are one country formed by states, not an empire with city-states. .-.

So if Mexico's wall is working, then why is so much crime supposedly coming from Mexico? It's one thing to say stuff that's total BS, it's another thing to say a bunch a BS that contradicts itself. We are not "one country". We are a collection of broken jigsaw pieces glued together and that's how Trump managed to become president. So cities should have the right to govern themselves.

Planned Parenthood? An organization that sells fetuses, aborts babies for dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant. Planned Parenthood is garbo.

Ok, please stop pretending you're not sexist. And no, you can't just say something sexist and then undo it by saying you're not sexist.

 

[-Apples-]

Planned Parenthood? An organization that sells fetuses, aborts babies for dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant. Planned Parenthood is garbo.

For that reason, I was thinking Planned Parenthood should be obliterated, but I didn't realize how extreme my suggestion is. But I do think they should stop providing abortions in general, especially to those who want abortions because they are too lazy to take care of a child, don't want children, or just didn't want the pregnancy. I also support overturning Roe v Wade, and allow all states to decide what abortion laws they want, but laws against abortions in case of rape, incest, or to save the mother's life should still be unconstitutional.

 

[Cynicat]

For that reason, I was thinking Planned Parenthood should be obliterated, but I didn't realize how extreme my suggestion is. But I do think they should stop providing abortions in general, especially to those who want abortions because they are too lazy to take care of a child, don't want children, or just didn't want the pregnancy. I also support overturning Roe v Wade, and allow all states to decide what abortion laws they want, but laws against abortions in case of rape, incest, or to save the mother's life should still be unconstitutional.

Why would you want children to be born without parents wanting to take care of them? I would argue thats really immoral as well... If abortion was illegal and these women would be forced to have children, its not like that will make them want their children more or be less "lazy".

 

[lostineverfreeforest]

But I do think they should stop providing abortions in general, especially to those who want abortions because they are too lazy to take care of a child, don't want children, or just didn't want the pregnancy.

1) A woman should be able to decide what she wants to do with her own body.
2) Accidents happen, abortions serve a purpose outside of rape, incest, or medical complications.
3) How is forcing somebody to birth an unwanted child good for either the parents or the child?

Really don't understand why people wouldn't want resources like this to be available. Let people decide for themselves whether they would like to use them or not.

 

[seliph]

Planned Parenthood? An organization that sells fetuses, aborts babies for dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant. Planned Parenthood is garbo.

Ok I've stayed in lurk-mode for this thread 'cause I can't be bothered with you but adding to pumpkin's post: Planned Parenthood does not sell fetuses or "fetus parts". They use and provide tissue for research. Anyone telling you they "sell fetuses" is just trying too hard to put you against them. ( x x x )

Also, Planned Parenthood and abortions as a whole are not for "dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant" (Got themselves pregnant? Do you know how conception works? You need two people for it). They're also for girls and women who were raped. They're also for girls and women who got pregnant, the father bailed out, and now cannot afford to take care of the baby. They're for girls and women whose pregnancies put them and/or the baby's life in danger and now the pregnancy must be terminated.

Abortions aren't just a "I got pregnant and now I don't want it" thing but you know what? Even if that's their reason, they have every right to a safe abortion. If you hate that "dumb teenage girls" have to get abortions, direct your hate to the pathetic, useless, or sometimes complete lack of sexual education, as well as ****ty teenage boys who pressure their girlfriends into having sex with them when they aren't ready.


Side note: Planned parenthood provides way more than just birth control and abortions. They also provide help for transgender people, HIV/STI testing, breast exams, men's cancer screenings, affordable health care, and sexual education and adoption. Abortions only take up roughly 3% of what they do. Perhaps learn about your enemy before tackling it.