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Donald Trump's cabinet picks

irhaskell8 said:
We need to prevent what ILLEGAL immigration we can... fences/walls - call it what makes you feel the safest - work! Mexico built a wall - working. Guatemala - working. Other countries too! We will always have illegal immigration but it's out of control right now! Sanctuary cities are absolutely unlawful. We are one country formed by states, not an empire with city-states. .-.
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Do your research dude, a wall isn't going to help at all. Between 40 and 72 % of undocumented immigrants in America came there with PLANES. guess what? A wall doesn't stop planes!
Also your wall will just prevent people to go back. Ever heard circular flow? Immigrants work there for a bit then go back to their own country. Making it harder to cross the border actually decreased America's immigration problem. This wall won't stop people from coming in, it will just stop people from going back.
Just a few reasons why it won't work let alone how expensive it would be...
 
pumpkins said:
oh dear
planned parenthood provides affordable birth control and education on birth control, which means the rate of teenage pregnancy is decreasing. and if these girls do happen to get pregnant, they should have the right to get a safe and legal abortion.
most people who use planned parenthood aren't teenagers and are looking for contraceptives to prevent pregnancy in the first place. not to forget annual exams, screenings, etc.
but sure, all they do is sell babies really lmao
this is just my opinion and if you believe planned parenthood is 'garbo', then i'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. that'd be like the government trying to tell women what to do with their bodies. which would be totally absurd!!
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Cynicat said:
Why would you want children to be born without parents wanting to take care of them? I would argue thats really immoral as well... If abortion was illegal and these women would be forced to have children, its not like that will make them want their children more or be less "lazy".
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lostineverfreeforest said:
1) A woman should be able to decide what she wants to do with her own body.
2) Accidents happen, abortions serve a purpose outside of rape, incest, or medical complications.
3) How is forcing somebody to birth an unwanted child good for either the parents or the child?

Really don't understand why people wouldn't want resources like this to be available. Let people decide for themselves whether they would like to use them or not.
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gyro said:
Ok I've stayed in lurk-mode for this thread 'cause I can't be bothered with you but adding to pumpkin's post: Planned Parenthood does not sell fetuses or "fetus parts". They use and provide tissue for research. Anyone telling you they "sell fetuses" is just trying too hard to put you against them. ( x x x )

Also, Planned Parenthood and abortions as a whole are not for "dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant" (Got themselves pregnant? Do you know how conception works? You need two people for it). They're also for girls and women who were raped. They're also for girls and women who got pregnant, the father bailed out, and now cannot afford to take care of the baby. They're for girls and women whose pregnancies put them and/or the baby's life in danger and now the pregnancy must be terminated.

Abortions aren't just a "I got pregnant and now I don't want it" thing but you know what? Even if that's their reason, they have every right to a safe abortion. If you hate that "dumb teenage girls" have to get abortions, direct your hate to the pathetic, useless, or sometimes complete lack of sexual education, as well as ****ty teenage boys who pressure their girlfriends into having sex with them when they aren't ready.


Side note: Planned parenthood provides way more than just birth control and abortions. They also provide help for transgender people, HIV/STI testing, breast exams, men's cancer screenings, affordable health care, and sexual education and adoption. Abortions only take up roughly 3% of what they do. Perhaps learn about your enemy before tackling it.
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Wow, look at all these informed and logical people! It would be cool if you guys were like this. hehehe
Women should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their bodies, that's all I'm going to say because gyro and pumpkins already covered most of what I wanted to say anyway. Thanks you two. ^^

But I do think they should stop providing abortions in general, especially to those who want abortions because they are too lazy to take care of a child, don't want children, or just didn't want the pregnancy.
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- Apple2012
I can't, I just can't not today.
 
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Whiteflamingo said:
- Apple2012
I can't, I just can't not today.
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I just wanted to get that off my head and share my thought. I'm against abortion because I believe human life begins at conception, the fetus is not part of the mother's body, and an unborn fetus has the right to life. If a woman wants to do anything else to her body (like smoking, piercings, tattooing), I'm okay with that. It's just abortions that I am iffy about because everybody deserves a chance to live.
 
irhaskell8 said:
He wants a better relationship with China. We can't just let ANY country be unfair to us. Our trade deal with China is causing a lot of deficit. Look at our national debt. We can't afford deficit.

We need to prevent what ILLEGAL immigration we can... fences/walls - call it what makes you feel the safest - work! Mexico built a wall - working. Guatemala - working. Other countries too! We will always have illegal immigration but it's out of control right now! Sanctuary cities are absolutely unlawful. We are one country formed by states, not an empire with city-states. .-.

Planned Parenthood? An organization that sells fetuses, aborts babies for dumb teenage girls that got themselves pregnant. Planned Parenthood is garbo.

Those "rich white men" are what Trump knows. He doesn't select them if he doesn't think they'll work and be efficient. I would rather having a rich man who's pushing the right legislature. I find it funny that you get onto a FEW of Trump's cabinet picks for being rich when Hillary is only rich for taking money and from donations. .-. Oh, and she tried to get more rich by stealing from the white house when her sexual husband was leaving office. .-.
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yeah sure, he totally wants a better relationship with China. that's why he's attributing climate change as a conspiracy hoax perpetuated by the Chinese government

guess what? Hillary's not president. we've done criticizing her because she's not... relevant anymore. she lost, and she hasn't done anything within the last two months to assure people that she would continue fighting for the people she championed for. that's a damn shame, but guess what? she's not above criticism. stop acting as if Trump knows all, because he sure as hell doesn't.

you complain endlessly about fixing corruption within the government yet you fail to understand these men picked for cabinet have business ties that make them seem unreliable. self-interest fuels corruption, and ignoring that these cabinet picks have a whole lotta self-interest is downright foolish.
 
Cynicat said:
Do your research dude, a wall isn't going to help at all. Between 40 and 72 % of undocumented immigrants in America came there with PLANES. guess what? A wall doesn't stop planes!
Also your wall will just prevent people to go back. Ever heard circular flow? Immigrants work there for a bit then go back to their own country. Making it harder to cross the border actually decreased America's immigration problem. This wall won't stop people from coming in, it will just stop people from going back.
Just a few reasons why it won't work let alone how expensive it would be...
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This comment is ignorant.

Planes? Dude... radars bro... detects planes.

Circular flow? It's be a legal cooperation between us and the Mexican government... it's not like it's a "NEVER CROSS". lmao

Will stop people from coming back? ok........ im done

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SuperVandal said:
yeah sure, he totally wants a better relationship with China. that's why he's attributing climate change as a conspiracy hoax perpetuated by the Chinese government

guess what? Hillary's not president. we've done criticizing her because she's not... relevant anymore. she lost, and she hasn't done anything within the last two months to assure people that she would continue fighting for the people she championed for. that's a damn shame, but guess what? she's not above criticism. stop acting as if Trump knows all, because he sure as hell doesn't.

you complain endlessly about fixing corruption within the government yet you fail to understand these men picked for cabinet have business ties that make them seem unreliable. self-interest fuels corruption, and ignoring that these cabinet picks have a whole lotta self-interest is downright foolish.
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Where'd you get that he's putting China as the hoax of climate change? Everyone knows Al Gore is a contributor of the hoax. Climate change? Ain't real.

Um... It's called a double standard. If Hillary got elected, libs would be fine and would be attacking people who go against her. But since Trump is elected, libs are outraged and attack people who go against her.

These "men"... Any cabinet pick is shady. Look at past POTUS cabinet picks. :-/ Chao & Carson are two of the best picks.

Call me downright foolish for having an opinion that you don't support. But yet forbid me to call you foolish for being "right".

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Planned Parenthood shouldn't receive government funding in the first place...

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Red Cat said:
So he wants a better relationship with China, but the first thing he's going to do is start a trade war with China over his protectionist trade policies?


So if Mexico's wall is working, then why is so much crime supposedly coming from Mexico? It's one thing to say stuff that's total BS, it's another thing to say a bunch a BS that contradicts itself. We are not "one country". We are a collection of broken jigsaw pieces glued together and that's how Trump managed to become president. So cities should have the right to govern themselves.


Ok, please stop pretending you're not sexist. And no, you can't just say something sexist and then undo it by saying you're not sexist.
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Oh! I don't like who became president! Let's let cities govern themselves. How ridiculous! This is the worst thing you've said.

I'm not sexist. Trump is not sexist. I don't have problems with women or those that identify themselves as women. Trump doesn't have problems with women or those that identify themselves as women. Do a little research... he's helped women out - donating to causes for women... helping a homeless African-American women..... Um... and Kellyanne Conway is in a high position with Trump... explain that... don't dare go saying stuff about my Conway. She is extremely hardworking and intelligent.

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Apple2012 and Whiteflamgo are the two people that I respect the most on this thread. May not agree with them but...
 
irhaskell8 said:
Um... It's called a double standard. If Hillary got elected, libs would be fine and would be attacking people who go against her. But since Trump is elected, libs are outraged and attack people who go against her.
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I think I mentioned this before, but liberals are even more intolerant than what they believe about conservatives. They are also bigger liars and hypocrites. They think it's okay to practice political discrimination or religious discrimination, but when conservatives are doing the same thing or stand up to the liberals, they take offense and feel threatened. They also ignore facts and jump to conclusions. That's why liberals would attack Hillary opponents no matter who wins.
 
If teenagers get knocked up, it's their fault. Can't be unethical. After a certain number of weeks, they shouldn't be able to abort. UNLESS, and now I have to clarify everything to the last detail...

1) Their life is in danger.
2) They were raped.
3) The baby has a extremely high chance of being extremely disabled and has a high chance, an extreme one of dying shortly after birth.
 
irhaskell8 said:
After a certain number of weeks, they shouldn't be able to abort. UNLESS, and now I have to clarify everything to the last detail...

1) Their life is in danger.
2) They were raped.
3) The baby has a extremely high chance of being extremely disabled and has a high chance, an extreme one of dying shortly after birth.
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Ok but this is literally already the case though... lmao....
 
irhaskell8 said:
Where'd you get that he's putting China as the hoax of climate change? Everyone knows Al Gore is a contributor of the hoax. Climate change? Ain't real.

Um... It's called a double standard. If Hillary got elected, libs would be fine and would be attacking people who go against her. But since Trump is elected, libs are outraged and attack people who go against her.

These "men"... Any cabinet pick is shady. Look at past POTUS cabinet picks. :-/ Chao & Carson are two of the best picks.

Call me downright foolish for having an opinion that you don't support. But yet forbid me to call you foolish for being "right".
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nald-trump-did-call-climate-change-chinese-h/

You know, I don't think a lot of people would be frustrated in this thread had it not been the continuous denial of responsibility. I think a lot of people would have lauded Trump for being one of the most progressive Republicans in a long time had it not been for his inflammatory comments that have brought out the absolute worst in society. Many of us can't reconcile the way in which he's attacked communities and people for being different, and we can't sit still as we see him deny reality in order to incite fear and apathy. You've denied my request for you to see Trump as someone who is not flawless, and I don't think any conversation can happen if we live in that kind of bubble.

I didn't call you foolish. If you can't properly read what I or others type for you, there's no discussion happening here.
 
There's been a discussion happening here. .-.

1. Climate change is a hoax.
2. Trump is not god. I'm not sorry if you think his supporters think he is.
3. Trump just doesn't want people to jip America in trade deals... China.
4. We're getting nowhere. All you do is call Trump and I a bigot and all I do is defend the liberal propaganda set out against him to have a corrupt, crooked politician get elected. Which didn't happen.

He's not a racist sexist bigot who wants to destroy everyone but white people. That's how liberals make their message sound.
 
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Listen, my intention when creating this thread was to discuss Trump's cabinet, not Trump himself. I feel like this thread is digressing in subject too much. I see why it reached this point, but...
 
nintendofan85 said:
Listen, my intention when creating this thread was to discuss Trump's cabinet, not Trump himself. I feel like this thread is digressing in subject too much. I see why it reached this point, but...
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To stay on topic rather than shaming liberals in general, I actually do like his cabinet. The fact is, those agencies have been corrupted under Obama. Picking the secretaries that hate Obama's departments would turn things around.
 
We're also talking about Trump's cabinet picks... you can't include "Trump" in a title of a thread and expect people not to talk about him.
 
irhaskell8 said:
We're also talking about Trump's cabinet picks... you can't include "Trump" in a title of a thread and expect people not to talk about him.
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I know, but people were turning it into an argument about Trump himself and his policies and the election and how the election went. I see why people are discussing it, but I wanted more discussion about the cabinet itself rather than Trump himself and the election.
 
nintendofan85 said:
I know, but people were turning it into an argument about Trump himself and his policies and the election and how the election went. I see why people are discussing it, but I wanted more discussion about the cabinet itself rather than Trump himself and the election.
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Most people don't actually care about the cabinet picks, which is why the thread died in one day before being revived with the other stuff.



I'll add that a major reason why these threads usually boil over is because people no longer accept the same facts. We've reached a point where it's like some people believe that 2+2=4 and some people believe 2+2=5. We can't have any real discussion other than a he said, she said kind of argument if there are people who believe 2+2=5. I know I'm a really opinionated person, but I'm okay with people having different opinions if they reinforce their arguments with 2+2=4 statements. What pisses me off is when people state an opinion, even if it's one I agree with, when they are backing it up with statements which are as false as 2+2=5. If you have to add 2 and 2 together, and you say 5, it doesn't mean you have a different opinion and people should respect it; it means you are flat out wrong and need to do more studying. There is only one set of true facts, and if we can't even agree on that, then we are really screwed as a society.
 
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You seemed pretty upset over his cabinet picks...... ^^
 
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irhaskell8 said:
If teenagers get knocked up, it's their fault. Can't be unethical. After a certain number of weeks, they shouldn't be able to abort. UNLESS, and now I have to clarify everything to the last detail...

1) Their life is in danger.
2) They were raped.
3) The baby has a extremely high chance of being extremely disabled and has a high chance, an extreme one of dying shortly after birth.
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i do agree with this. this is what happens already anyway, though?

however i'm sorry, but saying climate change is a hoax is just silly.
 
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