Ferguson: Your Thoughts.

[WonderK]

so basically ur changing the topic now.



1. wtf is a clip?
2. again ur making blanket statements that have no founding in the real world. ppl kill each other with their fists all the time. u cant unequivocally say that shooting an unarmed person is excessive force. there are so many factors that u ignore that would justify such a response.

There's no logical reason to shoot someone eight times if they are unarmed. This is what I've been saying for the last two pages.

You have your view and I have mine. We're walking in circles around each other.

 

[KarlaKGB]

the part of the gun that holds the ammo

for someone that's spouting off gun knowledge, I'm legit surprised you don't know this

???
thats a magazine ur talking about
a clip is completely different

dont embarrass urself even further

http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-firearm.html
educate urself

 

[LambdaDelta]

2. again ur making blanket statements that have no founding in the real world. ppl kill each other with their fists all the time. u cant unequivocally say that shooting an unarmed person is excessive force. there are so many factors that u ignore that would justify such a response.

Difference is one has a greater chance of killing.

X and Y can both kill so neither is more excessive than the other isn't a valid argument

 

[KarlaKGB]

Difference is one has a greater chance of killing.

X and Y can both kill so neither is more excessive than the other isn't a valid argument

maybe u can write up a mathematical formula too? how can u make any judgement about excessiveness when ur not in full possession of the facts? yes, shooting an unarmed person sounds excessive in a vacuum, too bad its not applicable to real world encounters.

 

[lazuli]

Although I'm not changing my opinion on this situation, I have to agree with the tags on this thread. There are some controversies in politics that people are further apart from each other (where they can't get along with opposing views), but this one is the worst of the controversies I just mentioned. Some think Michael Brown was just doing something little while others believe he is truly a punk. But since nobody can agree with each other and if it becomes a fight, we should be done with this thread. In fact, I think the Ferguson thing must be dropped everywhere, even to those who haven't even heard of TBT or Animal Crossing. Stuff like 9/11 and the Civil War are okay to grudge against because those were serious issues that are bad enough to be recorded in history. However, stuff like Paula Deen's dismissal and the Ferguson thing hasn't even reached the bar of how bad something is where it should remain in history. I don't think the subject should be continued on for another four months while we can still grudge against the American Civil War for another 500 years. We just have to let things go.

g o o d b y e
ok ferguson has nothing to do with ac, why u gotta mention that
it is important to mANY people and you just say 'let it go' ?????????????
'stuff like 9/11 and the civil war are ok to grudge against because those were serious issues'
are you saying that ferguson is not important

 

[LambdaDelta]

???
thats a magazine ur talking about
a clip is completely different

dont embarrass urself even further

http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-firearm.html
educate urself

alright, but regardless you should of known exactly what they were talking about

and posting something such as "wtf is a clip?" is just being an ass about it

 

[Alolan_Apples]

g o o d b y e
ok ferguson has nothing to do with ac, why u gotta mention that
it is important to mANY people and you just say 'let it go' ?????????????
'stuff like 9/11 and the civil war are ok to grudge against because those were serious issues'
are you saying that ferguson is not important

It is important, but not that important. And why did you say "Goodbye?" That's not nice of you.

 

[LambdaDelta]

maybe u can write up a mathematical formula too? how can u make any judgement about excessiveness when ur not in full possession of the facts? yes, shooting an unarmed person sounds excessive in a vacuum, too bad its not applicable to real world encounters.

are you seriously arguing that a gunshot would has an equal or less chance of killing someone than being punched does?

why do I even bother?

 

[KarlaKGB]

There's no logical reason to shoot someone eight times if they are unarmed. This is what I've been saying for the last two pages.

You have your view and I have mine. We're walking in circles around each other.

yes there are, u just have no idea because ur only experience is wat u see on hollywood where a single bullet blows a massive hole in a person and sends them flying 10 feet backwards.
how about u read this case study: http://www.policeone.com/patrol-iss...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

again, Gamins shot dry and reloaded.

“I thought I was hitting him, but with shots going through his clothing it was hard to tell for sure. This much was certain: he kept moving and kept shooting, trying his damnedest to kill me.”

In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds — in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney — could have produced fatal consequences…“in time,” Gramins emphasizes.

the fact is, there is no arbitrary number of shots that is "acceptable" force. there are many reasons why one shot will not stop an assailant. physiological and psychological factors.

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alright, but regardless you should of known exactly what they were talking about

and posting something such as "wtf is a clip?" is just being an ass about it

im just demonstrating how ridiculous it is that ppl r so ignorant about firearms can so confidently state what is and what isnt acceptable in a gunfight

 

[oath2order]

are you seriously arguing that a gunshot would has an equal or less chance of killing someone than being punched does?

why do I even bother?

The argument could be made, yes. It depends on who is doing the punching.

 

[lazuli]

It is important, but not that important. And why did you say "Goodbye?" That's not nice of you.

because you were sayin some stuff i didnt like?????????????/

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one day, when ferguson is in history books, all the white people will say how it was a tragedy
because racism is only racism when it was in the past amirite

 

[Amissapanda]

For all the people arguing about the witnesses---the prosecution was severely lacking and questionable in this case. They chose the only witness that coincided with Wilson's testimony. And said witness changed their story multiple times. This was the prosecution. This was who was supposed to be fighting to indict Wilson, pretty much doing no more than adding to his defense.

Here's the source: Lawrence O'Donnell LOL Destroys Ferguson Prosecutor's (Robert McCulloch) Reliance On "Key" Witness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVzcrSzirrs

 

[LambdaDelta]

yes there are, u just have no idea because ur only experience is wat u see on hollywood where a single bullet blows a massive hole in a person and sends them flying 10 feet backwards.
how about u read this case study: http://www.policeone.com/patrol-iss...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

I've stated this earlier, but that's a ****ty example to use to show in how Wilson could of been justified, as the situations in the article vs this case are clearly radically different. Even going by what little we may or may not know about this case.

 

[KarlaKGB]

are you seriously arguing that a gunshot would has an equal or less chance of killing someone than being punched does?

why do I even bother?

6 out of 7 ppl survive being shot by a handgun, i posted the source of that earlier in this thread. all it can take is a single punch to knock someone down, at which point ur at their mercy and it doesnt matter if u have a gun or not

 

[oath2order]

because you were sayin some stuff i didnt like?????????????/

=

one day, when ferguson is in history books, all the white people will say how it was a tragedy
because racism is only racism when it was in the past amirite

I'm sorry but Ferguson is not likely to make it into history books of the general classes. Maybe in a college curriculum for African-American studies or a law class

 

[LambdaDelta]

The argument could be made, yes. It depends on who is doing the punching.

in general

though yeah, I will agree that punching has different factors to be had


but then again, so does firearms. different ones have different power, and then there's always the case of distance and such with many

 

[KarlaKGB]

I've stated this earlier, but that's a ****ty example to use to show in how Wilson could of been justified, as the situations in the article vs this case are clearly radically different. Even going by what little we may or may not know abotu this case.

holy **** the article is simply there to refute the idea that "8 shots is excessive for an unarmed person" which is being presented as universal fact. and besides, there r no hitmarkers in real life. at a distance, u have no way of determing if ur making hits especially if they appear to be having no affect on the target

 

[lazuli]

smth i still find funny:

forensics photographer: i didnt take pictures of the crime scene because the batteries in my camera died
forensics photographer: [proceeds to follow wilson to hospital to photograph his 'injuries' with the same camera]

 

[M O L K O]

Anyway
To get this back on topic.

Has anyone here personally attended a protest?
Here's a list of places where people are attending.
http://fergusonresponse.tumblr.com/
The turnout for my town was relatively small so I'm probably going to make plans to head to one thats a bit bigger.

 

[Alolan_Apples]

because you were sayin some stuff i didnt like?????????????/

=

one day, when ferguson is in history books, all the white people will say how it was a tragedy
because racism is only racism when it was in the past amirite

I'm trying to minimize offensiveness and rudeness, but why are so easily offended? I hate it that people hate me for not agreeing with the popular opinion here.