Mafia [GAME THREAD] New Horizons Mafia - A Classic 9er (ENDGAME)

Attention! If you have a night action please send it in sooner rather than later if you don't think you will be back around for the next twelve hours. Night will only last for 12 hours as I originally started the game!

The citizens of Horizon Island, galvanized by Isabelle, have gathered to solve the identity of the person or people responsible for ruining Jacob's life by causing him an injury that will forever keep him in debt. So much debt, in fact, that he'll likely never be able to afford to settle on this island again. The hospital beyond the horizon is said to be incredibly overpriced and there's no others around.

And so most of the islanders gather in front of Wilbur's plane, ready to exile whoever they decide is guilty.

As the gathering begins, it is already apparent that the people on the island have tired of each other despite how new the residencies all are. Snooty, cranky, normal, jock, lazy, smug, peppy,...uchie?, these are all words that could describe the personalities of these Islanders. And it's easy to see how those personalities have difficulty coexisting.

This came out in the many quarrels of this first meeting, but perhaps the tipping point was when the most aggregating personality of them all (the jock), made the following statement:

"In the old days they would make people sit in boiling water and the guilty one would always chicken out first. I say we go back to the old ways, make a good competition out of it!"

Suddenly every little annoying thing this jock said or did came out of his neighbors and the proud man just crossed his arms in silence, not validating any of it, just shaking his head when someone accused, "I bet it was you kicking that soccer ball around that knocked Jacob's perch down, he was always complaining about it being unstable."

When everyone began to shake their head in agreement, asking him where that soccer ball was, they didn't like his response.

"I kicked it into the river and had to watch it drift away for acres and acres until it reached the ocean, I tried to fish it out with a net but this did not work, I'm not hiding it or anything!"

"Nonsense, a bet should be able to fish a soccer ball out of the water easily for someone as sporty as you. What kind of net can't get a ball out of the water before it reaches the sea?"

All nets, apparently. He was telling the truth, after all. Nobody actually plays soccer with the guy and got to know him well enough, so the decision came easily to most of them: kick the jock off the island.

After a long wrestling match Wilbur was finally able to drag him into the back of the plane. From then on, he would be banned from ever returning.


Ness has been exiled. He was...

Rowan the Vanilla Townie

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You are one of the animals who has decided to move to the island and start a new life there. You have no special powers, other than your voice.

Night 1 Begins

You have 11 hours and 14 minutes to PM me night actions until Night 1 ends!
 
Start of Day 2​

Tragic news, islanders. As today marches into tomorrow, and the foreseeable future, many residents will notice that the dependable Tom Nook has left the island suddenly and indefinitely after being served a warrant for two charges of white collar crime. Rumor has it that it's possibly the result of an anonymous tip from what was likely angry family member or disgruntled employee with access to his financial records. Gossip Girl Magazine would not have been possible without the support of this great business owner and we will repay him with justice...that whoever ratted him out will be found, that he will receive the retribution he has been waiting for with our 'Detective with the Perspective.' Stay tuned for our special issue featuring her crimebusting findings, coming out tonight!

This magazine would only have two copies, one near the bulletin board and the other at the island's cafe lounge. She hides behind the ever original pen name 'Gossip Girl' along with other fake journalist identities such as this 'Detective with the Perspective' and everyone knows it's her. Yes, everything that appears in the magazine is the work of the resident snooty villager who is known for her no good rumor spreading behaviors and outlandish favors to avoid paying Tom Nook back for her debt.

Generally, the magazine remains entirely unread. But not today. Today, everyone on the island is lined up to see what was found in this upcoming issue. It's just a hunch, but Isabelle believes Tom Nook was set up to have his life ruined just like Jacob's was, because she knows Tom Nook is a good guy who has had to commit a few acts of fraud here and there to give these struggling islanders more time to pay him back. That's not the crime that matters here. No, the more important matter at hand is that there are people on the island whose goal is to ruin the lives of others. Isabelle knows how calculated that anonymous tip was and believes they failed to find the ones responsible yesterday. A meeting has been called once again at the hour of sunset to decide who needs to be removed from Horizon Island.


Toadsworthy's life has been ruined. He was...

Tom Nook the Town Doctor

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Many see you as an evil money-hungry debt-entrapping Tanuki but you're an honest guy who just wants to provide opportunities to young people and teach them responsibility along the way. The island isn't developed at all yet and you have to play many roles until it's built up, including healing the poor villagers who get stung by bees or fall off a cliff.

Each night you may choose another player to protect from being killed by the evil on the island. If your target was saved they will be informed in a morning result PM.

Living players [7]:

Damniel
Antonio
Heyden
Pathetic
unravel
glow
shawo

Day 2 will be 36 hours, ending at 9pm EST on 3/12.

Night 2 will be 24 hours long so that I can put the rest of the game on a consistent 36/12 phaselength.
 
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i hope u know it's 6am rn

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good morning welcome to m y l o
 
okay i messed up with the ness lynch

looking back at the EoD i there were a few things that struck out about behaviors of those who were around for EoD (glow, heyden, and pathetic)

pathetic and glow had a pretty heated argument but that argument didn’t really contribute much to the lynch options D1 (ness me and antonio). i get glow wanted to vote pathetic but she still didn’t really explain her thoughts on anyone else and only responded to pathetic. the lack of comprehensive reads left me confused as to why she preferred ness over heyden. these things don’t really look town to me tbh

pathetics behavior was definitely odd and i’m still not sure what to think of it. glow had given a defense of herself to pathetic’s sus post but all they did in response was say what they’re wrong and there’s no point in even replying. this dismissive behavior over glows defense and them willing to off ness so quickly with no response is not good in my eyes. but also their behavior is just so blantanly scummy for some with clear experience that i still have some doubts but i’m still leaning towards the scummy side

heyden was the other one on the chopping block and their reaction to thought i thought was pretty reasonable. he said he wasn’t feeling a ness lynch but voting for ness was the only way to make sure he wasn’t being lynched- this could be seen as coming from either alignment but i’m leaning more towards town since i didn’t get a sense they were too concerned over dying. also he tried to lead a bandwagon on antonio in the last ten minutes since to me shows they’d rather kill a scum read then just be okay with anyone dying

heydens like my only townread now cuz toads is dead. still sus on antonio, and unravel and shawo are still null since they werent there for EoD since can be seen as a way to avoid confrontation. so yea that’s where i am in this game
 
This game is a joke and I'm lowkey pissed until now people voting Ness because of personal issues

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Heyden and pathetic just jump on voting without any explanation which made me really suspecting them more. Antonio is still null for me I'm suspecting them both more than Daniel now
 
I think I said about 3 times now that I didn’t want to vote Antonio in ness/Antonio. Voting was less than 3~ hours from ending and I seriously cba to try to townblitz my scumread when she barely had a window of time to reply? I made a relatively comprehensive post explaining all of my thoughts and it doesn’t matter because daniel thinks my tone is >dismissively scum> (???) despite never playing or knowing who I am. It seems like a stupid piggybacking after his lynch was wrong.

I said Ness would’ve been the worst lynch of that day but two actively stronger players being dead seriously narrows it down to Daniel who I will be suspecting off of pure PoE for now. Llike toads said, ness was playing incredibly arrogant and even ness said that themselves. I am fine with them being out of the game purely because they are unreadable with their ****storm of a day. and I don’t regret lynching them either, sorry, geniunely lol

Sucks that my only general townread is dead now.

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Or, it doesn’t matter to glow either apparently b/c i was “backpedaling” my reads too much when I’m simply explaining my thought process. If it really bothers daniel that much that I didn’t reply to glow’s post (which if you skim for literally a minute you already find 2-3 points wrong with it) I will make a proper response debunking it, but it really just feels like a waste of time. I am hoping glow posts more because I feel like she has a potential to change my read as she did take the time to reply (although for a generally ?meaningless reason I Guess of “proving a point of my hypocrisy.”) I wish others would post more because I don’t want to read through Ness vs the world again


also I’m on mobile I can’t be bothered to format my posts cohesively
 
okay i messed up with the ness lynch

looking back at the EoD i there were a few things that struck out about behaviors of those who were around for EoD (glow, heyden, and pathetic)

pathetic and glow had a pretty heated argument but that argument didn’t really contribute much to the lynch options D1 (ness me and antonio). i get glow wanted to vote pathetic but she still didn’t really explain her thoughts on anyone else and only responded to pathetic. the lack of comprehensive reads left me confused as to why she preferred ness over heyden. these things don’t really look town to me tbh

pathetics behavior was definitely odd and i’m still not sure what to think of it. glow had given a defense of herself to pathetic’s sus post but all they did in response was say what they’re wrong and there’s no point in even replying. this dismissive behavior over glows defense and them willing to off ness so quickly with no response is not good in my eyes. but also their behavior is just so blantanly scummy for some with clear experience that i still have some doubts but i’m still leaning towards the scummy side

heyden was the other one on the chopping block and their reaction to thought i thought was pretty reasonable. he said he wasn’t feeling a ness lynch but voting for ness was the only way to make sure he wasn’t being lynched- this could be seen as coming from either alignment but i’m leaning more towards town since i didn’t get a sense they were too concerned over dying. also he tried to lead a bandwagon on antonio in the last ten minutes since to me shows they’d rather kill a scum read then just be okay with anyone dying

heydens like my only townread now cuz toads is dead. still sus on antonio, and unravel and shawo are still null since they werent there for EoD since can be seen as a way to avoid confrontation. so yea that’s where i am in this game

Why does this message feels rehearsed or planned. Are you actually sorry for the ness lynch?

Y'all listen, tone don't mean **** in a game like this. Ness could've been cussing out everyone here, still wouldn't have made him scum. The fact of the matter is there was little to vote on for Ness, besides tone which is barely nothing. However, y'all decided to vote him out anyways when Daniel here, has been half assing his messages throughout most of day 1. Y'all let him take control of day 1 and it's wild that Hayden and Pathetic voted for Ness, even when they said they didn't support the lynch.

I'm just so annoyed at everyone who voted for Ness.

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Does literally nobody realize how scummy this is? Daniel quite literally just cherry picked the most remote of posts by Antonio to spin it as suspicious. He makes this long, well-typed post that at first glance looks nice, but if you actually delve into the things Daniel is saying it is just so evidently crumby it makes me sick.

Look at the post Daniel is referring to which supposedly Antonio is suspicious for:



Yeah it's weird he picked me and Toad as being scum, but I don't think he had any kind of malicious intent here. It feels less like he's progressing an agenda and more like just something he didn't think that much about before posting. And Daniel is trying to spin this as though he was trying to "kill the conversation." This just looks like an excuse to subtly hop on a wagon without becoming too much into the spotlight.



This is another thing that bothers me. People are piling on Antonio because he is being wishy-washy or something. I'm not going to type out a full-blown defense for Antonio, but it's bothering me that people are essentially taking Heyden's case as the most thought out so far because I really don't jive with it. Everything Antonio is accused of doing has been addressed at one point or another, and I don't read any of his posts as being forced either.



Once again taking a quote out of context. I hate this. It's reaching for content on a perfectly fine post where all Glow says is that she won't be active due to exams. That's not including the fact that Glow made her thoughts clear to the thread several pages back, nowhere in it does she call for lynching Pathetic other than that they're lumped into a scumpool.


Alright I'm going to back into some earlier points for Daniel now.



I have a problem with this for a couple reasons. He uses this as his defense for my earlier post in that the entire game up until that point, all he had been doing was asking questions to give the allusion of contributing rather than actually step up as a leader. If you want context as to what I mean, look at just one of Toadsworthy's posts and compare it to most of the things Daniel has said. It's night and day as to how much better Toadsworthy's is regarding "contributing" than it is for Daniel. It's primarily Information over Analysis, and when it isn't, it's just making very blatant points that are easy to follow.



Call it OMGUS but this bothers the hell out of me. He essentially said that he would vote for me, leave, and wait for what would happen, all because I had an episode of emotion earlier in the game, which he himself conceded that only happened because I was joking around.

He later backs his point up with this, which isn't much better:



That was his entire justification of wanting to vote for me at the time. You guys can take my word for it or not, but just look at the interaction in the beginning of the game. Not once did Toad say he was suspicious of me, all that happened was that I took my joke vote off unravel and said Toads was being a jerk. That was not a case of me trying to get pressure off myself, it was me being upset. That's it.

And that's what bothers me the most about Daniel. He's trying to cherry pick the most mundane things that other people have said and is running with it every time. He keeps getting a free pass because he's "contributing" the most, but he really just isn't. His logic has been backwards for most of his suspicions and he keeps getting away with it because he's using a cool, collected tone.

TLDR: I want a Daniel lynch today.

I'm bringing this post back because he was making an excellent point that y'all all ignored due to your suspicions about him.

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Antonio lynch isn?t gonna happen lol but I?m indifferent to Ness so yeah cool.

:/
 
okay i messed up with the ness lynch

looking back at the EoD i there were a few things that struck out about behaviors of those who were around for EoD (glow, heyden, and pathetic)

pathetic and glow had a pretty heated argument but that argument didn?t really contribute much to the lynch options D1 (ness me and antonio). i get glow wanted to vote pathetic but she still didn?t really explain her thoughts on anyone else and only responded to pathetic. the lack of comprehensive reads left me confused as to why she preferred ness over heyden. these things don?t really look town to me tbh

i feel like you're just stringing together words lol

the lynch options were hayden or ness, Antonio had 0 votes and you had 2 but hayden voted ness after ness claimed VT

i was complicit in the ness lynch because he seemed 100% over the game lmao but i didn't think he was mafia, especially after his claim

hayden's end of day activity surprised me, because as mafia i feel like he'd be fine with ness dying and keeping his involvement limited but his protests against ness' lynch (suggesting Antonio, Daniel) threw me off

so i had to accept my vote didn't matter because even if me and hayden both voted you, ness hit plurality first
 
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Damniel - His posts feels forced, he took control of the narrative during day 1, and he voted Ness based on tone alone. I have stated my reasons before and I have stated them again.

Heyden - Why did you vote for Ness, hmm? You literally said you were indifferent, like who was going to be voted off didn't matter.

Pathetic - Same goes with you bruh, you voted ness because you didn't want me lynch over him. I can't seem to find a post where you stated why ness is scum. Also, the "bye ness i’ll miss you" feels like sarcasm.

Shawo - You're new here, I don't understand you that well during the current game as well.
However, your motives seem pure but I can't 100% town or scum read you.

Glow - I'm not 100% sure about you, either. I believe having 100% reads on day 1 are useless because it's still so early in the game and forcing yourself to come up with a read isn't fair. However i want to see more opinions from you during day 2 before i decide whether you are town or mafia.

Unravel - You made such an excellent post about putting voting ness based on personal issues and I agree, the ness lynch was like that for toad and damniel. Nothing coming from you sounds force, pure genuine.
 
Why does this message feels rehearsed or planned. Are you actually sorry for the ness lynch?

Y'all listen, tone don't mean **** in a game like this. Ness could've been cussing out everyone here, still wouldn't have made him scum. The fact of the matter is there was little to vote on for Ness, besides tone which is barely nothing. However, y'all decided to vote him out anyways when Daniel here, has been half assing his messages throughout most of day 1. Y'all let him take control of day 1 and it's wild that Hayden and Pathetic voted for Ness, even when they said they didn't support the lynch.

I'm just so annoyed at everyone who voted for Ness.


in hindsight yea it wasn't good to lead a mislynch, but i stuck with who i thought was scum the most at that point, so no i'm not sorry tbh. i think heyden is town and i don't want to join a wagon i don't believe in, so i stuck with ness

anyways i did not vote ness for tone itself. i explained my reasons for ness here

ness - to get my thoughts on him all in one place, i still think that we should lynch him. ignoring the whole emotional thing and his tone, his behavior throughout the game hasn't been very helpful. he's spent most of the game voicing his sus on me (which has valid points ill give him that), but he's focused on me so much that his opinions on everyone else are underdeveloped. besides focusing on me, the most notable thing he's done is defend antonio. his biggest criticism of me is that all my posts have little substance and don't contribute much, but i would argue that he's being hypocritical since he has only been very thorough with my posts. it seems that he wants to focus everyone's attention on one person instead of giving a comprehensive list on everyone and other scum candidates. and with him wanting to drop out of the game, yeah its very clear that he's frustrated but i don't see dropping out as a sign of emotional town. the last time i played maf i tried getting replaced cuz i didn't want to deal with all the pressure i was facing. so while i can see that he might just be town not having fun anymore, i think dropping out can come from either alignment. if he does get replaced out you could argue that we should give this slot a chance, but tbh im so torn with this slot that im willing to take the chance and keep my vote on him

i find it pretty reasonable for heyden to have voted ness. if he was the one that was to be lynched instead of ness, it makes sense to do that. like if you know you're town but you're not sure that the other person is, it's logical to vote the person whose alignment you don't know than it is to let yourself be mislynched. pathetic's vote is less clear tho i agree with you there

the lynch options were hayden or ness, Antonio had 0 votes and you had 2 but hayden voted ness after ness claimed VT

i was complicit in the ness lynch because he seemed 100% over the game lmao but i didn't think he was mafia, especially after his claim

i had a typo there i meant to include heyden in that lynch list. i think that the four of us were potentially able to be lynched if last minute votes were made. though you're right about antonio i meant more that there was talk about his lynch

also you posted

i rly don't wanna lynch ness so voting hayden unless ya'll wanna blitz on pathetic

so why didn't you vote heyden? i get what you're saying about ness but that doesn't really add up with what you said before

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If it really bothers daniel that much that I didn’t reply to glow’s post (which if you skim for literally a minute you already find 2-3 points wrong with it) I will make a proper response debunking it, but it really just feels like a waste of time. I

if you want to discredit someones argument you shouldve explained it yourself than having someone else discredit it for you

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Damniel - His posts feels forced, he took control of the narrative during day 1, and he voted Ness based on tone alone. I have stated my reasons before and I have stated them again.

Unravel - You made such an excellent post about putting voting ness based on personal issues and I agree, the ness lynch was like that for toad and damniel. Nothing coming from you sounds force, pure genuine.

you say that tone doesn't mean anything in this game but you are also town reading unravel for sounding genuine, isn't that tone?
 
Her intentions are genuine, not tone. I already stated I have autism and I don't understand tone aswell.
 
Kinda pissed that ya'll voted ness after he hardclaimed town.

Anyways I'm cop and damniel is mafia have fun guys.

FWIW I think hayden is mafia with damniel, like as terrible as a read as that is (because of how buddy buddy they are, I think it's just the simplest answer, it doesn't really make any sense for it to be anyone else I think.)

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The other real option is probably unravel.

Pathetic my hardest townread, Antonio doesn't flip maf with damniel i think, and glow had/has reads that made a lot of sense 2 me.

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Yeah antonio as mafia doesn't make sense as vote mechanics, particularly if this is roleblocker. No reason to risk getting ur only chance to win lynched.

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BTW, antonio, just to clarify with you, you're actually conflating two different mafia ideas.

I think what you're trying to say is the emotions behind someones post doesn't make them town or mafia (which is true.) But the tone of say Unravel seems genuine, which means that they're town (which is also a correct conclusion.) So that's probably where a lot of the conclusions from your post come from. Not going to lie none of the emotions had anything to do with me townreading ness. It just didn't make any sense for him to split the vote onto damniel when he was dying like that as town, especially since glow claimed to be willing to lynch Hayden. Guy needed some self preservation.

Tragic, but that's life I guess.
 
I’ve been pocketed XDDDDDDDDD
Well under the basis Daniel is mafia, I want to think that the other mafia isn’t Antonio since he was the first vote. Last time they were scum together he did buss him early on, but at a point where Daniel was doomed anyway, but I’m still kinda on the edge.

Pathetic pointing out Daniel’s ~townslip~ idk how to feel about that but as mafia I feel like you’d be more distant, so I feel they’re not buddies.

Glow’s kind of been distant by focusing on Pathetic to avoid sticking out, but her posts feel towny so idk.

Unravel, looking back on her posts she pushed for Daniel early on, then put him onto null when things were getting heated, then flipped to me by masking it as a temporary vote (??) so I’m gonna place my bet she’s the other mafia. When she voted there were two votes on Daniel, so her vote brought me up to 2 as well.
 
is any1 gonna read what i said or just tunnel on the fact i voted ness. also i tr antonio still tbqh i just like his posts except his line with me like u must've not read anything i posted at all
 
Antonio your scumread on me is literally a question, not a statement.
But if I didn’t vote Ness I would’ve died so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
 
but i don't want to discredit her argument she does it herself...? and no one else seemed to pay much mind to it so it just seems kind of pointless

anyway assuming daniel is mafia i'd have to reread his posts but he seems generally all over the place now without explicitly pointing a finger so i think it'll be difficult to find a suffice team read
 
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