Mafia Into the MarioVerse Kingmaker- Mafia Win!

[epona]

bell why is this the hill you choose to die on.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

Pause is all I ask for Epona.

I've also given the reason why I believe Ness cc'd me as watcher.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

To clarify- still not watcher,
He's just still my cc.

that's still a huge gamble for scum when we have 3 MLs left though
they'd have to be working off the assumption that you were watcher, and even if you were, and I mis-executed you, then we kill ness tomorrow and are back on track

 

[N e s s]

@epona Just so I make this clear to you now, this is the scenario I was expecting and I’ll have more to say later

imo anyone that instantly believed my claim is town in my eyes, and shawo is objectively now the scummiest player in thread (or if y’all wanna jump the gun and say it’s me, which you’ll soon come to understand why I did this. There’s a lot of really handy hints in the thread now regarding the scumpool)

 

[shawo]

to stay transparent, i added clarification on the watcher role:

-they cannot watch themself

anything on setup not explained already in the OP will be announced publicly and then added to the OP. i apologize for the vagueness

Btw, this is basically the exact scenario as to why this is useless. This is a question that only a few people would ask, (although it doesn't imply any role.)

Should anyone have asked this question basically anyone who knows them would know who asked this question.

I guess I'm the victim of that.

 

[bell account]

Doctor should never claim no matter what.

people are scum reading ace but when youre this far out of threadflow it's hard to see anything but town

 

[shawo]

Ah yes the classic frame shawo but don't fully frame shawo so you back off and give a different claim once you get cc'd. Truly a classic.

 

[epona]

he just said any can, not how it was selected btw. at least that's how i read it -- still potential to be rng chosen

so @shawo and @bell account you think that shawo should've been insta eliminated and then ness next day? what is the point to not wait for a cc/more info? lmao

i presumed when i asked it was assigned, and he said no, any of them can do it, that it was fairly clear it's their choice with who sends in the action
but i guess he can clarify

 

[shawo]

Ness is doing this as hard mafia. If he doesn't retract his report in the next post don't even give him a chance to retract his claim.

He has no reason to claim watcher for ANY rxn. Even I didn't hardclaim a role for RXN.

If Ness really fakeclaimed he has effectively done everything that you guys got mad at me for day 1, except I didn't do any of those things.

Anyways Ness is clearly trying to back-track, if you read his recent posts.

 

[Fleshy]

Obviously didn't want to do this, but I'm watcher. I watched Epona (guessed you'd be an easy maf target) and was roleblocked. Was that you, Ness, or one of your scumbuds? I attempted to soft my role by using the words "watch", "watcher" and such in my posts way more than normal after being scumread and considered for elim D1. This clearly was too subtle as it was not picked up on at all, I was wary of doing it too much and outing myself, but I done it enough so that it doesn't flow properly and "watch" stands out, at least to me.
I'd rather not be explaining myself the way I am, but so many of you have me scumread right now and I need the trust.

Unexpectedly busy this morning up to now, but I'm finally back for the night. I've held off on trying to make formulated reads as, to be honest, I was somewhat distracted by the happenings earlier in the game and the KM/role discussion, which I was watching but didn't feel needed to be pointlessly discussed further, or that it even needed to be discussed to the point that it was, really.

To say I've been coasting, at least somewhat, is fair. My thought process was moreso to watch and bring attention to anything that stood out to me as it happened or as I noticed it, and the only things that did, without really ISO'ing or reading deeper was Shawos claim and then Ace. I understand why my comments about Ace come across that way considering I haven't voiced opinion on much else, but it really was just something I noticed and wanted to bring light to. I don't think suggesting someone be executed over a soft PR claim (as it was at the time) is too reasonable. My plan for this morning was to attempt to formulate clearer reads on everyone, or at least most people, that didn't end up happening, but I finally have time to do that now.

I haven't played with you before Ace, I don't know your meta, but in all honesty your frequent mention of always being town and never ever maf did strike me as an attempt to plant the seed in peoples minds that you are, infact, town. Dino managed to deter my suspicions from you just by saying it's normal for you to act that way, but instead of doing something similar you're holding on to it, as if my mere mention of you is completely unreasonable, and personally I don't think it is, I'm not watching your every move waiting to pounce. I don't think the way you're acting toward me is completley unfounded however, your reaction seems more townleaning in all honestly although my suspicions of you aren't completley obliterated

This honestly isn't even it. I'm seriously a little perplexed as to why Ace suggesting Shawo be executed right away based on very little isn't sus to more people, that stood out to me, so while watching the tread trying to get a feel for people, I quickly ISO'd him, and noticed how many times he had brought up being town and never maf, which again, weird. It wasn't a case of veiwing him as low hanging fruit, or trying to wagon on someone (nobody else had even said anything about him I don't think, so there's no wagon there). I wasn't trying to convince anyone, I was bringing up something I saw as sus, it really wasn't even meant to be so deep, but as I had so little other posts I see why it was seen that way. This can all be chalked down to I don't know Ace or his meta and I saw something that wasn't there, that's it.

Ness is mafia. There is absolutley no situation where town would fake claim watcher like this. I'll be ISO'ing in attempt to work out who his buds are. I am surprised he would be bold enough to do this D2, likely had Shawo pegged as watcher following his hard PR claim and thought this would work out, but it isn't going to.

 

[shawo]

i presumed when i asked it was assigned, and he said no, any of them can do it, that it was fairly clear it's their choice with who sends in the action
but i guess he can clarify

Yeah the way kill assignment works is that any of the mafia "picks" the kill, and they lead that kill to be lead and seen by the watcher.

Which I guess is reason 2 as to why Ness has a terrible fake claim, coming to tv stations near you.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

AYY CC TIME YEET.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

ok bye ness!!!

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

Question: Fleshy, did you ask the question about the watcher visiting themselves?

 

[bell account]

I caught up to Ness's claim - just as a warning. I'm not going to counterclaim, but you know. Didn't visit dinotown.

I mean this looks like a pretty clear CC to get me lynched, and they tried to guess my role after roleblocking.

Two questions: 1. I'm pretty sure I've been townread by a large majority of people here, why would I lead the kill.
2. Watcher should claim because Ness being lynched just townclears me effectively.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

as reclarification I hardclaim not watcher. Which is probably ness's goal.

you dont really have the luxury of playing games with claims; claim your role and stick to it

 

[shawo]

Nah. Roleclaims suck, look what happened to Ness.

 

[voltairenism]

the plot thickens

 

[N e s s]

Obviously didn't want to do this, but I'm watcher. I watched Epona (guessed you'd be an easy maf target) and was roleblocked. Was that you, Ness, or one of your scumbuds? I attempted to soft my role by using the words "watch", "watcher" and such in my posts way more than normal after being scumread and considered for elim D1. This clearly was too subtle as it was not picked up on at all, I was wary of doing it too much and outing myself, but I done it enough so that it doesn't flow properly and "watch" stands out, at least to me.
I'd rather not be explaining myself the way I am, but so many of you have me scumread right now and I need the trust.





Ness is mafia. There is absolutley no situation where town would fake claim watcher like this. I'll be ISO'ing in attempt to work out who his buds are. I am surprised he would be bold enough to do this D2, likely had Shawo pegged as watcher following his hard PR claim and thought this would work out, but it isn't going to.

God dammit way to go dude, I knew it was you and that’s why I liked your post feigning doubt. You just gave him exactly what he wanted and that was what I was going to talk about.

 

[Fleshy]

Question: Fleshy, did you ask the question about the watcher visiting themselves?

No, it wasn't even something I considered in all honesty.

 

[epona]

ness why would you fakeclaim im now confused af this is so unfair to me as king

also what if the real watcher had come out and CC'd you in the meantime and exposed themselves. how is that helpful to town

 

[Aerious]

if you're fakeclaiming watcher, why would you ever insinuate someone's mafia?

 

[shawo]

Lynch ness.

Let's... assume. For all sakes and purposes that he's town.

1. He claims watcher framing the one person who's claimed PR. This A. looks like a blatant PR fish on it's own.
2. He reads my defense, reads me asking for a watcher CC. And all he does is make some silly soft about how he's Left A Hint in his sentence. Like, Great, very helpful.
3. He gets cc'd, and immediately backs off.

Ness just lynched himself.

Goodbye ness.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

If ness claims a PR role I'm going to CC him.

Ness has to die.

It doesn't matter which PR role ness claims.

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2020

No, it wasn't even something I considered in all honesty.

Who tf asked then???

 

[epona]

im going to go jump out my window brb!

 

[Aerious]

@Fleshy what's your role name?

 

[shawo]

im going to go jump out my window brb!

There's no logical reason as to why ness would do this as town.

So either ness is mafia or an idiot.

We're boutta find out!!